Want to become a FEARLESS entrepreneur and leader? Go here: https://books.ryanhanley.com/ Nic McKinley is no ordinary man. A former military special operator, CIA operative, and founder of two multimillion-dollar tech companies, he's a Harvard graduate with a relentless drive to make a difference. He's a pioneer in developing scalable technical solutions to protect children from online predators. But Nic's mission goes even further. He's on a quest to reduce human trafficking by 80%, fueled by an unwavering purpose that drives him to tackle seemingly impossible goals. In this powerful conversation, you'll discover: The crucial importance of having a purpose that fuels your motivation. The shocking reality of human trafficking in the U.S., where many victims are American citizens. Nic's insights on societal issues, including the vilification of successful individuals. The power of purpose-driven work to create lasting impact. A challenge to decide who you want to be and act decisively towards those goals. This episode is a call to action, urging you to live with intention and make a meaningful contribution to the world. Here's what research and statistics highlight: Human trafficking is a global crisis, but studies show that a significant portion of victims in the U.S. are domestic. Purpose-driven individuals report higher levels of well-being and resilience. Technology can be a powerful tool in combating human trafficking, as evidenced by the development of scalable technical solutions. 🎯 Takeaways: Purpose-driven missions bring meaningful change Awareness and education are key to fighting human trafficking misconceptions Big goals can lead to big changes 💬 Sound Bites: "And it is so much easier to destroy than it is to build.” "I have zero social media apps on my phone. Those are on another phone. And the reason why is because I'm not gonna sit there and just scroll the, you know, doom scroll x or Instagram or any of these different platforms, because I don't wanna feed that side of me." "Everybody thinks you're crazy until until you're successful, and then they don't." 🔗 Connect and Discover: Website: https://deliverfund.org/ Personal Website: https://www.nicmckinley.com/ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 Nick McKinley: Fighting Human Trafficking 03:30 Unlocking Nonlinear Thinking Potential 07:58 "Why Billionaires Keep Working" 11:59 Complacency vs. Action and Impact 15:49 Discrediting Accomplishments and Excuses 18:31 "Taking Control: Limiting Social Media" 22:07 "Commitment Key to Entrepreneurial Success" 23:50 Commitment Without Negotiation 29:23 Embracing Multifaceted Identity for Success 31:31 Breaking Free from Toxic Role Models 34:00 Lost Respect for Presidential Ambitions 38:38 Challenging Simplistic Good vs. Evil Narratives 41:45 Fighting Child Trafficking Online 45:56 Call for Dedicated Anti-Trafficking Agency 48:33 Confronting the Human Trafficking Market 50:14 Men: Choose Growth Over Victimhood 56:20 Aim for Ambitious Goals 58:15 Deliver Fund: Combating Human Trafficking 📌 𝗙𝗢𝗟𝗟𝗢𝗪 𝗠𝗘 𝗢𝗡: Website: https://go.ryanhanley.com/ Course Page: https://masteroftheclose.com/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ryan-hanley-show/id1480262657 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5AZFuTiQsgS9hMQDDdtlOr?si=98432b7806534486 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryan_hanley
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
What is up? Welcome back to the show. We have a tremendous conversation for you with Nick McKinley. Nick is a Harvard graduate, former military special operations, worked for a kinetic team at the CIA, and is now an entrepreneur with... a spin.
Nick is also the founder of deliverfund.org, which is a private nonprofit focused on stopping human trafficking, reducing human trafficking in the United States and the world by 80%. And this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart. I'm a huge believer in the protection of our children and the development of our children and the fact that the United States is the number one market for
Chapter 2: How can we unlock nonlinear thinking?
for human and sex trafficking in the world is deplorable in the purest sense of that name. And specifically, Nick talks about how he was able to achieve the success of graduating from a university like Hartford, special operations, kinetic team at the CIA, and why he is applying all those skills, all that knowledge that he developed to fighting human and sex trafficking.
Guys, I'm going to have a link below to deliverfund.org. If this is something that you believe in, if you believe that it is our responsibility as Americans, as adults to protect our children, then I highly recommend you scroll down, donate to deliverfund.org. You can give, you know, every dollar counts. You can give 10 bucks. It doesn't really matter.
It takes two minutes to do, and we can start to fight to fight back against this absolutely horrific activity that is happening in our country. This is an incredible episode. Nick is just filled with knowledge and his achievement and the way he describes what we can start doing to manifest the things in our life that we want to happen. This is one of those episodes.
It's like, this is why I do this show. This is why I put the time in. This is why I create these episodes is for these types of conversations, these types of missions. And I hope that you will take just the two minutes to scroll down or just type it in, deliverfund.org, donate today, and let's keep fighting human trafficking in this country. Guys, I give you Nick McKinley.
Chapter 3: Why do successful people keep pushing forward?
in a crude laboratory in the basement of his home.
All right, man. Well, dude, Nick, it is awesome to have you on the show, dude. And I will tell you, like, I've had... Dude, I've had close to 350 guests on this show over the last, you know, whatever, however many years. And you were one of the toughest to prepare for because of the breadth and depth of shit that you have done in your life.
Now, before we went live, you referred to yourself as a nonlinear thinker, which speaks to my heart because, you know, for the audience, they know I love bringing in all different people, right? And... You said something, and this is where I want to start. Your nonlinear thinking style allows you to examine questions such as, how do you go so impossibly big that no one thinks it's possible?
So I want to start there. How do people grab this mindset? Because we know... A large percentage of the population of people that are listening to this show right now have incredible talent, all the ability and means to make things happen, but they're stuck and it's often because they're thinking too small. So let's start at the biggest question. How do we make these incredibly big things happen?
purpose.
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Chapter 4: What does it mean to have a purpose in life?
It's that simple.
When people are thinking too small, I would say it's usually because they're thinking about themselves, right? Their goal is like, oh, I want to build the mastermind class that's going to get me the freedom that I want so that I can have the boat that I want so that I can drop ship stuff from Alibaba on a beach somewhere while I drink my time, right? It's I, I, I, I, I.
God did not create us to serve ourselves, right? He created us to serve a greater purpose. And so it's what I call the dragon that you are made to slay. Like what is the problem in the world? What is the problem in society? What is the thing that just haunts you and bothers you? And that is your purpose. That's what you were designed to do.
So I do a lot of coaching of entrepreneurs and companies that I'm invested in and work with venture capital firms for the leaders that they're investing in, right? Because one of the best ways for them to protect that investment is to make sure that the leader doesn't collapse under the weight of that investment. And so-
One of the questions that I like to ask all of these people is, what is the one thing that you would do if you were independently wealthy? And that usually starts an exercise of they go through, well, like, oh, man, I would retire my parents and I would I would do this for this person. And I would I've always wanted to travel. And OK, so they get they get all the like me stuff out of the way.
Like, great. You 48 months of retirement. playing around, you still have more money than any number of generations could ever spend. What are you going to do with the rest of your life now? Because you can't just travel. You can't just sit on the beach your whole life.
I mean, I guess some people can, but like if you're one of those people, you should probably stop listening to this podcast right now.
Also, dude, those are the people who fall apart. Those are the ones that you read the stories about that become alcoholics or get drug addicted or do all this crazy stuff because they're lost. And it's like a ship at sea with no direction. Right. I mean, that's that's what happens if you don't find this purpose. Right.
Right. They're so internally focused. So what is the problem? What is the dragon that you're going to go slay? So for me, it's commercial sex trafficking, primarily of children. That is what I focused on with my nonprofit companies. It's what I'm focused on on my for-profit company. It's a revenue generator there. It's an industry thing.
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Chapter 5: How can we combat human trafficking effectively?
And so if you can't attack the idea because you can't intellectually hang, like you intellectually can't attack the idea, then what are you going to do? You're going to attack the person.
I think you're right. I think that, you know, when you dig into who puts these messages out about, you know, any of these individuals that are that are creating and building and trying, trying, you know, like you said, you don't have to agree with their how they're going about it. But they are they are purposefully efforting to try to make society better.
When you see the people who are coming at them, none of them produce anything.
Right. They just talk. It's you are never going to get hate. from somebody who's done more than you. It always comes from the people who have done less than you. I mean, I have mentors that I surround myself with who will call balls and strikes and say, Nick, we don't think you should have done that. You really screwed up here. Have you thought about doing this differently? And I listen to them.
And every single one of them is... economies of scale more successful than I am. They've forgotten more about their levels of expertise than I will ever know. For the most part, probably better people than I could ever be. And yet I learn from them and I listen to them. And never do I get hate from those people. It's always from people who've done less.
And I've had people attack me to say, oh, well, Nick was in special ops, but he didn't really do that much. I was like, okay, well, I guess my 14 combat deployments didn't really count. Oh, well, Nick was at the CIA, but it's not like he was really doing operations. Okay, well, I guess my 16 combat deployments there don't really count. Well, Nick may have went to Harvard, but it was extension.
So it doesn't really count. I'm like, oh, really? I had to pass the same test as everybody else to get in, right? I mean, so, well, yeah, Nick was an entrepreneur. And yeah, he's had this nonprofit that's been around for 10 years and one technology company. And now he's got another one and they're venture capital backed. But that's just because, insert excuse on why I can't do the same thing.
What they don't know is that I'm 47 years old. I've never had a vacation in my entire adult life because I have just always been executing on the mission. I have a few hobbies because it's kind of what you need for health. But that's the reason that I do them. That or it's, you know, things that I'm going to do with my kids and my family because that has to be mission number one.
But beyond that, it's like, no, like, what do I want to do? Well, I've got I've got half a day where I've got nothing to do. Awesome. I've got I've got work to do because my goal is so impossibly big that there's no possible way that I will reach it if I don't continually work on it.
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Chapter 6: What role does technology play in fighting trafficking?
But it was definitely to make the world a safer place in the short and medium term, at least.
Do you think you were a naturally disciplined person which made special ops and CIA work fit for you? Or did those organizations and your time inside of them help mold that discipline?
It's a really interesting question. The special operations community has been spending years. billions of dollars over its lifetime trying to figure out that very question.
How can you have somebody who has an absolutely terrible childhood and somebody who has a normal childhood and somebody who has an extraordinary childhood all end up graduating and yet the same versions of those people also didn't graduate? They've been trying to figure out that for years and nobody nobody really knows.
I know for me, it has, you know, there's the guys like Jocko who like to talk about discipline. And yeah, that's that's a that's a downstream effect of a decision. So when I went into pararescue, I knew that I had a 92 percent chance of not making it right. Eight out of 100 people graduate statistically, at least at the time. I have no idea what it is now.
but I decided I was gonna be one of those eight. It's that simple. There was no motivation. There was no discipline. It was no, I just decided I was gonna be one of those eight. Getting into the CIA. I just decided that I was gonna go work at the CIA. Getting into Harvard. I just decided I was gonna get into Harvard. And I think when you make the decision that something is going to happen,
And you're not jumping off a cliff deciding that you can suddenly fly, right? When you're doing things that are logical and make sense, they may not make sense to the entire world, but they make sense to you. I think this is every entrepreneur's journey. Everybody thinks you're crazy until until you're successful and then they don't.
So if you are just if you just decide that you're going to go do something, then you will continually move your feet in that direction and you'll stumble and you'll fall and you'll learn from those failures.
failures and you'll get up and you'll do it again i think too many times when people quit the people who quit in my special ops selection class or the guys who didn't make it in my cia selection class They all were people who hadn't really decided what it was that they were going to do. They didn't decide for sure that they wanted to be in the Air Force Special Ops community.
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Chapter 7: How can we shift from a destructive to a constructive mindset?
It was actually... Out of honor, isn't it? It was actually on one of the letters when I was fired from a job was, you know, despite your performance, the unreasonable nature that you take with your team, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, so hitting the goals, happy team, those didn't matter.
It was that I didn't kowtow to the leadership with an unreasonable... Now, some of that is me learning and being immature, right? I probably could handle myself better at certain points. But the other side of it was... I also was keenly aware coming from where I came from. You know, I grew up in a household where I was blessed with two loving parents, but we were we did not have any.
I grew up in the middle of nowhere in a tiny town of 900 people. You know, I mean, like we would get one new shirt and one new pair of pants for the whole school year. And you would just wear the shit from the last year with holes in it and stains and your one new stuff. Like that was how I grew up. Right. So like I learned very early that.
looking around where every role model was either an alcoholic or a pothead or worse and uh you know looking and going the only way out of here is to become a different version of than all these people is to become this person who does different things who does seemingly what they would consider unreasonable things like not getting hammered every night and not you know being a freaking clown and not becoming a drug dealer you know i mean like those it was unreasonable for me to like
Beyond, you know, being an athlete and focusing on getting good grades and, you know, those were like unreasonable things at that time, which may sound crazy to some of you. But from where I came from, very, very unreasonable.
And because you were the straight stick to that community.
Yes.
You were a reminder of what they could be, but they were choosing not to be.
And for that reason, I literally talked to two people from high school for that exact reason. Right now, I'm fine with that. That's not something I even concern myself with. But but it's but it is an interesting thing. And and what I hear you saying is like, look, these are all choices that we we get in life to make.
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Chapter 8: What lessons can we learn from entrepreneurs and leaders?
good guy like you're thinking about it wrong like there's no good guys and bad guys like that's not necessarily how the world works like there are bad people who do evil things for sure but we can't put them in these buckets but i brought up the human trafficking the sex trafficking as a as an issue and she was like no that's not real that's all misinformation like where where can where like obviously i i know you guys have resources at deliver fund but like i i
How do we make this tangible for people to understand what is actually fucking... I mean, this is one of the most horrific things that happens in our world, right? Maybe, you know, it's certainly... It's there at the top level of horrific things that can possibly happen. Being fucking trafficked into this country and having to have sex as a minor or worse.
It's not even just being trafficked into the country. So when I learned that human trafficking in the United States, right? Dollar for dollar. Largest human trafficking market in the world. Hmm. My mind was blown because like, wait a minute, here I am in Afghanistan. We can kill people with flying robots from 6000 miles away, but we can't do anything about this like child trafficking issue.
And I'm still thinking it's like, oh, it's coming across the border and things like that. And that does happen. Right. I mean, Trump is not wrong. It does happen. And there are traffickers who come in here and they bring children with them and they recycle children across the border and all that. But according to the DOJ, 86% of the victims in their cases are U.S. citizens.
Over 70% of the human traffickers are U.S. citizens. So whether it's traffickers coming across the border or it's traffickers who are already in our country, they're preying upon our children. And the reason why is because of the Internet. I mean, in my day... you know, the creep, right, pre-internet, the creepy guy on the wrong side of town, everybody knew, keep your kids away from him.
And the only kids that he could abuse were really the kids that he could get access to, which were usually lower socioeconomic demographic, undersupervised, moms working three jobs, no dad, right? I mean, the typical story. Now, because of the internet,
And, you know, poverty being relative to what you compare it to the girl with a thousand dollar shoes in the private school is impoverished compared to the girls with the two thousand dollar shoes. And so she gets on her phone because her parents are checked out. Right.
Mom's on Xanax and wine and dad is just working too much to to be, you know, to be relative or to be a good influence in her life and understand what's going on. And so she gets on her phone and she makes a couple of bad decisions trying to get some extra money. And next thing you know. you have a girl who's being trafficked out of an $80,000 private school.
That is a real story that we were involved in. And she was going to school every day and being trafficked in the evening. And everybody just knew that her grades were suffering and she was getting, you know, her mental health was getting worse. But nobody knew what was going on.
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