Nic McKinley
Appearances
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Stop being who you are and start being who God designed you to be. We have this, our two selves, right? And these two selves, if anybody is ever honest with themselves, they both exist, right? You have the good side of you and the bad side of you. And which side gets stronger? The side that you feed.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So it's constantly trying to become what Aristotle used the word praus, which basically means that it was used to describe a war horse, this extremely powerful horse that was trained and designed to run into battle and run people over. It was a destruction machine. Yet, that powerful horse was under the control of the writer. And so the question is, what are you under control over of, right?
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
What has control of you? I have zero social media apps on my phone. Those are on another phone. And the reason why is because I'm not going to sit there and just scroll the, you know, doom scroll X or Instagram or any of these different platforms because I don't want to feed that side of me. And the algorithms are going to like like I know I can't defeat the algorithms.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So the only way I can defeat those algorithms is to put it on something else so that the phone that I have with me all the time doesn't have any of that stuff on it. So, so taking deliberate steps to not be that person anymore, if that makes sense, right?
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I mean, with, with the training I have from obviously special ops in the military, you know, a kinetic unit at the CIA, what are the most selective units at the CIA? I know how to destroy some things and I'm pretty good at it, but that was, that was the then me, the now me. is building things, right? I'm building AI platforms. I'm building data sets for industry.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I'm building a nonprofit that is facilitating counter-human trafficking operations for law enforcement at an extreme scale, right? I'm building things. I'm trying to make the world a significantly better place. And what I used to do was primarily destruction related, but it was the end goal was to make the world a safer place. Whether or not we made the world better, history will tell.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
But it was definitely to make the world a safer place in the short and medium term, at least.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
It's a really interesting question. The special operations community has been spending years. billions of dollars over its lifetime trying to figure out that very question.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
How can you have somebody who has an absolutely terrible childhood and somebody who has a normal childhood and somebody who has an extraordinary childhood all end up graduating and yet the same versions of those people also didn't graduate? They've been trying to figure out that for years and nobody nobody really knows.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I know for me, it has, you know, there's the guys like Jocko who like to talk about discipline. And yeah, that's that's a that's a downstream effect of a decision. So when I went into pararescue, I knew that I had a 92 percent chance of not making it right. Eight out of 100 people graduate statistically, at least at the time. I have no idea what it is now.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
but I decided I was gonna be one of those eight. It's that simple. There was no motivation. There was no discipline. It was no, I just decided I was gonna be one of those eight. Getting into the CIA. I just decided that I was gonna go work at the CIA. Getting into Harvard. I just decided I was gonna get into Harvard. And I think when you make the decision that something is going to happen,
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And you're not jumping off a cliff deciding that you can suddenly fly, right? When you're doing things that are logical and make sense, they may not make sense to the entire world, but they make sense to you. I think this is every entrepreneur's journey. Everybody thinks you're crazy until until you're successful and then they don't.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So if you are just if you just decide that you're going to go do something, then you will continually move your feet in that direction and you'll stumble and you'll fall and you'll learn from those failures.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
failures and you'll get up and you'll do it again i think too many times when people quit the people who quit in my special ops selection class or the guys who didn't make it in my cia selection class They all were people who hadn't really decided what it was that they were going to do. They didn't decide for sure that they wanted to be in the Air Force Special Ops community.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
They hadn't decided for sure that they wanted to be at the Central Intelligence Agency. They were just kind of kicking the tires. And that, I think, is the primary reason why they failed. And I think it's the same thing for entrepreneurs.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
It makes absolute sense. In fact, I would... I would say it's so simple that people are skeptical of how simple it is. You know what the number one thing you need to do to make it into a special ops program is? The number one thing that you need to do. No. Don't quit. What's the number one thing that an entrepreneur needs to do? Don't quit.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
You hear these entrepreneur stories and, oh, look at how this person was successful overnight. What people don't realize is they tried three companies before that that all failed. And the fourth was an overnight success that took 11 years. So so none of it like I've never seen anybody who was an overnight success. You look at the the the work that Kobe put in.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
You look at the work that Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan or, you know, any of these people put in. Right. That Musk is putting in that Bezos put in that jobs put in. I mean, any of these folks, if you look at the work that they put in, then they just eventually started tripping over success. And and but it's it's they didn't quit and they just continually advanced the ball.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And I think part of the problem that we run into in the business and entrepreneurship community is that we get addicted to fighting battles. So I just put out a sub stack on this very issue. I put it on LinkedIn as well. It. And I know this personally because in my old world as an operator, we got kind of addicted to the fight.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
We weren't really thinking about the strategic wins and what was going on. All we knew was, hey, go to this country and go save good guys, kill bad guys, and do that on repeat. And so it was pretty binary because, OK, well, there's a certain set of skills that we need to be able to do that. I do not need to understand computer science and AI to rescue good guys and kill bad guys. Super simple.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
But then at the CIA, things kind of changed and it got a lot more strategic because now very, very small teams operating with virtually no supervision. And we were kind of able to do really whatever we wanted and kind of came up with our own mission. So suddenly the strategic objectives became extremely important because instead of having missions handed down from a higher headquarters, we were
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
We were developing our own missions and doing our own work and deciding what it was we were going to do. And the agency gave us all the rope in the world we wanted. However, they made it very clear that if we hung ourselves, they weren't going to come cut us down. We had to start thinking more strategically. And while in my old world as an operator, right, the hard skills are a lot of fun, right?
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
The combatives and the CQB and the gun work, right? It's all really fun. It's fun stuff. But that's not what moves the needle strategically. It moves the needle tactically, and that's the foundation. But suddenly, I started saying, okay, I see where the future is going. I see where the... I'm paying attention to the wars that are... rolling out around me when I'm not on deployment.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I'm going to sign up for that computer science course. I'm going to sign up to go learn that new data analysis tool. I'm going to go hang out with the nerds. I'm going to go check out, you know, 12 years ago, this like really cool technology called AI that they were rolling out. Right. I'm going to go learn all this stuff.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Well, here we are 12 years later after making those kinds of decisions and the decisions that I made 12 years ago are what are informing what I do today. So people will say, well, oh, yeah, Nick's this, like, you know, keyboard guy. But then the people who know me from the past are like, oh, no, like, Nick's a shooter.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
But then people who know me from undergrad are like, oh, no, Nick was the, like, super nerd. Well, I'm actually all of those things. Each one of those groups of people only got a slight window into who I was. And what that turned into was now I can – I can build whatever it is that I want to build because I put in all the work 12 years ago.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
22 years ago, maybe even 32 years ago to lead to the point that I'm at today. And I think the big problem that entrepreneurs run into or that their detractors run into is they don't want to put in that work. And that's OK. We don't need everybody in the world to be launching rockets to Mars or trying to solve the commercial sex trafficking issue. We don't need everybody to be doing that.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
But don't demonize the people who are just because they're not living like you are.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And because you were the straight stick to that community.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
You were a reminder of what they could be, but they were choosing not to be.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
The short story is, and I've told this a lot of times on podcasts like Patrick Bet-David and stuff in much longer form, is I met the CIA, was working counterterrorism issues with a JSOC counterpart. We came across what I like to call smoking gun intel on a child trafficker that was moving children across the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and basically selling them for whatever.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And we figured, like, okay, we now know this intel. Trafficking isn't our mission. It's somebody else's mission. We're going to write this intel up. It's going to go through the process and end up in the right person's hands. Well, it turned out there was no right person's hands for the intel to land in. And that made me really curious.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Human trafficking wasn't at the time a mandatory presidential reporting requirement. I don't think it is still to this day. And that got me really curious. And when you have access to systems at the Central Intelligence Agency, which like when you're at the CIA and you have the highest clearance that you can possibly get in the government, there's nothing that you can't reach down into.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Now, if you start reaching down into classified programs that you have no business reaching down into, like some people are going to come knock on your door and ask you some questions. But beyond that, you can kind of get to anything that you need to get to. So I started hunting for who's
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
got the ball on the human trafficking issue and is running it towards the end zone and figured out that there was really nobody. And that then led me kind of deeper into learning about human trafficking. And I learned that dollar for dollar, the largest human trafficking market in the world is the United States of America.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And that just blew my mind because I was just still thinking that a human trafficking was an over there issue, not an over here issue.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
We're the biggest human trafficker because I was at our biggest human trafficking market, as in we have the most customers and we spend as a country the most money. on purchasing primarily children and young girls for sex. That is something that we, the United States of America, are the number one in the world on.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
It's not even just being trafficked into the country. So when I learned that human trafficking in the United States, right? Dollar for dollar. Largest human trafficking market in the world. Hmm. My mind was blown because like, wait a minute, here I am in Afghanistan. We can kill people with flying robots from 6000 miles away, but we can't do anything about this like child trafficking issue.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
When people are thinking too small, I would say it's usually because they're thinking about themselves, right? Their goal is like, oh, I want to build the mastermind class that's going to get me the freedom that I want so that I can have the boat that I want so that I can drop ship stuff from Alibaba on a beach somewhere while I drink my time, right? It's I, I, I, I, I.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And I'm still thinking it's like, oh, it's coming across the border and things like that. And that does happen. Right. I mean, Trump is not wrong. It does happen. And there are traffickers who come in here and they bring children with them and they recycle children across the border and all that. But according to the DOJ, 86% of the victims in their cases are U.S. citizens.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Over 70% of the human traffickers are U.S. citizens. So whether it's traffickers coming across the border or it's traffickers who are already in our country, they're preying upon our children. And the reason why is because of the Internet. I mean, in my day... you know, the creep, right, pre-internet, the creepy guy on the wrong side of town, everybody knew, keep your kids away from him.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And the only kids that he could abuse were really the kids that he could get access to, which were usually lower socioeconomic demographic, undersupervised, moms working three jobs, no dad, right? I mean, the typical story. Now, because of the internet,
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And, you know, poverty being relative to what you compare it to the girl with a thousand dollar shoes in the private school is impoverished compared to the girls with the two thousand dollar shoes. And so she gets on her phone because her parents are checked out. Right.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Mom's on Xanax and wine and dad is just working too much to to be, you know, to be relative or to be a good influence in her life and understand what's going on. And so she gets on her phone and she makes a couple of bad decisions trying to get some extra money. And next thing you know. you have a girl who's being trafficked out of an $80,000 private school.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
That is a real story that we were involved in. And she was going to school every day and being trafficked in the evening. And everybody just knew that her grades were suffering and she was getting, you know, her mental health was getting worse. But nobody knew what was going on.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So the Internet gave all the predators access to every child in the country and really around the world who has a smartphone or a gaming console. We've got plenty of cases where that happened. And so that was my kind of epiphany as a CIA officer to say, wait a minute. Again, most powerful military, economic and intelligence might the world has ever seen.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And yet our own children are being trafficked. We got to do something about this. And then that's where I took my skills training and created a fund called Deliver Fund to be able to fund the equipping, training and advising of children.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
law enforcement officers to help them be able to close human trafficking cases and find human traffickers and put them in bars behind bars better, faster and cheaper. That was the overall goal, which obviously then also I have for profit companies that that build technology and
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
provide that technology to deliver fund for free and then deliver fund as its own engineers, that it's building technology. And so we have this consortium, right, this ecosystem for good that's all centered around this one problem of fighting child sex trafficking in the United States of America, which which then translates to other Western countries. And so that was kind of the origin story.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And that, I think, is the thing that people need to understand is trafficking is not predominantly a border issue. It is connected to the border. I'm not saying it's not, but predominantly it's the trafficker from L.A.,
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
who's moving through Oklahoma on his way to Chicago, who has been targeting a couple of 14-year-old girls in rural America and grabs them, drugs them, takes them to Chicago and starts selling them. That's human trafficking in America.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
God did not create us to serve ourselves, right? He created us to serve a greater purpose. And so it's what I call the dragon that you are made to slay. Like what is the problem in the world? What is the problem in society? What is the thing that just haunts you and bothers you? And that is your purpose. That's what you were designed to do.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Yeah, it's all come out in the media that that movie was a fiction. But it at least helped to shine a little bit of a spotlight on
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Well, think about this. We have a drug enforcement agency, yet 90% of drugs are actually legal. 90% of the drugs that they enforce are actually legal. And so we have a entire multi-billion dollar agency that's focused around the illicit sale of legal commodities, by and large. Fentanyl is legal, right?
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I've got some kidney disease because of some stuff that happened to me when I was in the military and the CIA. And so I have to go in for these surgeries and stuff. They give me fentanyl. Right. It's hyper useful. When you look at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, alcohol, tobacco and firearms are all legal. One of those firearms is actually a constitutionally protected commodity.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Yet we have this entire bureaucracy that spends billions of dollars fighting what is the illicit sale of those legal commodities. One hundred percent of human slavery, which is what we're talking about when we talk about, you know, sex trafficking is we're talking about people who are being enslaved and then forced to do these things.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
One hundred percent of human slavery is illegal per the 13th Amendment. And yet we don't have a single singularly focused agency on slavery. human trafficking. And that's not to take away from those agencies, Department of Homeland Security, the DOJ, the FBI. They are they're doing the absolute best that they can. Right.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
But the major majority of the heavy lifting in law enforcement goes to state and local law enforcement officers. When was the last time you were pulled over by an FBI agent for speeding? Right. And so it's a state and local law enforcement officers that are doing the heavy lifting and they have no resources, no anything.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And I think there's a large part of the reason for this is that there's a massive overlap. And I do mean massive overlap. And a lot of your a lot of your male listeners are about to get real uncomfortable, which means I'm doing my job. A massive overlap between human trafficking and strip clubs and pornography is
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So if you have an OnlyFans, if you're one of these guys who participates in like OnlyFans and Pornhub and things like that, there is a and you do it regularly. There is virtually a. it's not a non-zero chance, but it's a very, very small chance that you have actually fed money into the human trafficking market.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
You have these, you know, and so the guy who likes to go to the strip clubs doesn't want to hear that. And so, of course, just puts it out of his mind. Never mind the fact that we have data, we have photos, we have indisputable proof that this is happening. There's this incredible book about Pornhub and the, like, absolute evil that happens on that platform called Takedown.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Lila McElwain, absolute hero for the work that she did in helping to take a lot of the child pornography off of Pornhub and a lot of the rape videos and things like that, and a lot of the trafficking videos. When you have these parts of our society that That are the over sexualization of our society that are treating women and girls as commodities. And then you have predominantly men.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And again, I said we are the largest human trafficking market in the world, which means that statistically 30 percent of the men who are listening to this right now are engaged in those activities and they like those activities. And so they don't want somebody coming along and telling the truth about those activities. That's why we get so much pushback.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So I do a lot of coaching of entrepreneurs and companies that I'm invested in and work with venture capital firms for the leaders that they're investing in, right? Because one of the best ways for them to protect that investment is to make sure that the leader doesn't collapse under the weight of that investment. And so-
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And as soon as I see what it's really funny when I go to talk to groups of donors or investors or whoever about the about the human trafficking issue. inevitably I'll have one or two men come up to me and be like, but human trafficking isn't, isn't that like, isn't that the oldest trade in the world? And I go, that's interesting.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I was talking about human trafficking and you brought up prostitution. You just told me everything I need to know about you and what you're into and the types of things that you like and why men like me are extremely confronting. And this gets back to the slaying the dragons, so to speak, right? It's why I personally...
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
absolutely hate the existence of of the things that people like like andrew and tristan tate say right they're like oh women are property i mean there's that that's undeniable like like they have they've said that in text messages like we have that in court documents and yet they Like the way that they are training other men is absolutely reprehensible.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And what I find is that the men that they're training are living in their mom's basement. They don't have the courage to go volunteer for the military, much less special ops. They're not going to go try to get into a good university. They're not going to try to go to the CIA. They're not going to actually try to go slay a dragon. And they're basically perpetual victims.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So I think the men listening have a choice to make. It's like, are you a perpetual victim? And you're like, well, I can't get a girlfriend. And so I'm gonna go do this porn thing or this strip club thing, or I'm gonna go visit this woman who's a prostitute, which by the way, about 80% of what you think is prostitution is actually human trafficking by the best data that we can find.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Or are you just gonna pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a decision that you're gonna go be a better man? And the reason I really focus on men here is because that human trafficking market It's supply and demand generated, and the demand is generated by men.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
to the men who are creating the demand, then what are we really standing for?
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
One of the questions that I like to ask all of these people is, what is the one thing that you would do if you were independently wealthy? And that usually starts an exercise of they go through, well, like, oh, man, I would retire my parents and I would I would do this for this person. And I would I've always wanted to travel. And OK, so they get they get all the like me stuff out of the way.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Like when I hear people say fake it till you make it, I'm like, no, that's completely wrong. You shouldn't fake it till you make it. What you should do is you should... Do exactly what it is that you're saying, Ryan, right? You should act as if you are that person, right? And that's what I'm talking about is like, so to decide, I am an entrepreneur, right? We go all the way back to the beginning.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
We said like, what's the secret, right? It's you find purpose and then you decide that you're going to act on that purpose. It's that simple. And so once you decide, I am an entrepreneur. Well, that doesn't make you an entrepreneur, right? But you're going to now, if you start taking the steps to become an entrepreneur, then you will. eventually morph into that person.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And if you decide I'm going to have a strong marriage, Does that mean, let's just say your marriage is falling apart, right? And everything's going bad. I decide I'm gonna have a strong marriage. Does that mean that you'll be successful? No, it's the same thing as deciding that you're gonna be an entrepreneur or deciding that I'm gonna reduce commercial sex trafficking by 80%.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
When I tell people that, they're like, you are grandiose and crazy. And I say, thank you, right? In fact, if you go to my website, which is just nicknicmckinley.com forward slash 10 points, I actually lay out in explicit detail to include Markov chain models. Right. So so math models on exactly why I believe that that I can accomplish this. Right. And it's not me. Right.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
That we collectively can accomplish this. And I put it out there publicly, which is probably I mean, getting shot at actually isn't all that scary when you've done enough times. But for most people, that would probably be really scary. It's putting out something that public is actually scarier because it's like, all right, I am putting out a manifesto that I'm going to stand on.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I'm telling the world what my purpose is and. And, and I'm driving towards this purpose. Does it mean I'll reach that goal? No. But what if I managed to, and we managed to collectively reduce commercial sex trafficking by 80 or by 60%, we don't make the 80%. That's a huge win. Let's do that.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Like, great. You 48 months of retirement. playing around, you still have more money than any number of generations could ever spend. What are you going to do with the rest of your life now? Because you can't just travel. You can't just sit on the beach your whole life.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
If you just go to my website and go to the mission tab, you'll see all the different things I'm involved in. My data and AI company. So if you're a for-profit company, we can actually help you make sure that human traffickers are not using your platforms because they use all the platforms we use for business, right? Yeah.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
If you are a you know, if you're a law, if you're in law enforcement or a prosecutor or part of that chain, we are more than happy. Deliver Fund will provide you equip, train and invite you with everything you need to include case data and intelligence. That's all free for you.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
If you're a donor and this resonates with you, you can go right to that mission tab and you can find information about Deliver Fund and you can you can make a donation there. We are solely funded right now by the generosity of donors. So all of this like doge cutting and stuff like that doesn't affect us one bit. We are moving forward with a mission as strong as we ever have.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
And then if you just want to learn more about me or you can find me on all the social platforms at TheNickMcKinley. And again, my website is nickmckinley.com.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
I mean, I guess some people can, but like if you're one of those people, you should probably stop listening to this podcast right now.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
Right. They're so internally focused. So what is the problem? What is the dragon that you're going to go slay? So for me, it's commercial sex trafficking, primarily of children. That is what I focused on with my nonprofit companies. It's what I'm focused on on my for-profit company. It's a revenue generator there. It's an industry thing.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
A weapon for industry to actually wield against that dragon like that. That's where I'm focused. Right. And and I think that's that's it. You've got to find the purpose and and you can't take steps. You can't create a framework. You can't do all of these things that people talk about that are downstream of purpose. Right. Purpose is the glacier that melts into the stream of your life.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
So what is that purpose? And that purpose better be bigger than yourself. And I think there are so many good examples of this that people look to. And I'm not... I'm not saying that any of these people are obviously perfect and they all have their own problems.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
But when you look to the Bezos and you look to the Musks and the Steve Jobs and the people who've been hyper successful in business, I would even say Zuckerberg, right, as a great example, and the Google founders, when you look at them. What are they doing today? They're some of the richest people on the planet, wealthiest people on the planet.
The Ryan Hanley Show
Former CIA Agent Exposes the Truth About Trafficking
They have achieved the level of wealth that no measure of generations could ever spend. And what are they doing? They're getting up every day and they're going to work. A couple of billionaires I know are some of the hardest people, some of the hardest working people I know. They have all of the wealth that they could possibly ever need. And yet they're still working 10 plus hours a day.
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And that's when you ask them why, it's because they have a goal and a singular purpose that they're focused on solving. Right. So a billionaire that I know is investing in cancer treatments because his mother died of cancer and he's like, it shouldn't be that way. And so he's just all in on biotech.
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Um, another one that I know is, uh, really doesn't like the way that society is unfolding and, uh, in the divisions among, uh, among the people are unfolding and the things that media are doing. So he just was like, you know what? Forget it. I'm worth $200 million. I'm going to go create a new, uh, a new media company and, and, and on and on. And so that is, that really is what it comes down to.
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It's just, you've got to find a dragon to slay and then start taking the steps required to go slay that dragon. Yeah.
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Because those people are the straight stick. And what I mean by that is the best way to point out that a stick is crooked is not to tell somebody that the stick is crooked. It's to lay a straight stick next to it. And oftentimes those people are the straight stick who those folks then are confronted by the fact that they're not doing very much. And I get terrible hate mail.
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And I've had, you know, some of the biggest players in the pornography industry spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to go after me personally, which I consider that a badge of honor. That means that I'm getting the dragon's attention. And the dragon doesn't like it. And that means I'm being effective.
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Because if you aren't getting attacked, if people aren't saying bad things about you, guess what? You're probably not really being that effective. And there are so many people in our society who have just gotten so comfortable. And that is their life's goal, right? They want to pursue their own comfort. And that means that the people who are actively working to better society.
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Now, they may not necessarily agree with the way that they're actively working to better society, but all the same, people who are executing on that purpose, they're executing on the plan, they're very clearly putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak, that makes everybody else
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essentially look at themselves in the mirror and be confronted with the fact that they're not doing as much or they're not executing on things. And it is so much easier to destroy than it is to build. You think about how fast How long it took to build the house that you're sitting in right now or the office that you're sitting in, right?
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To build this studio and the office building that I'm sitting in right now. I mean, it was probably years in the making. Yet with some of the skills that I learned at the Central Intelligence Agency and in military special ops, I could level this building in a matter of minutes. And so it's so much easier to destroy. And so to destroy is the lazy man's path, right?
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to destroy is the oh, well, this person is executing and building and doing all these things. And so instead of just saying, I don't agree with the way you do, you're doing these things. So I'm going to go build better. Instead, they say, I don't you're you're a terrible human. When you can't attack the argument, you attack the person.
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And and I think another part of this is that drive and intellect are not equally distributed. And I have no idea who said it. It definitely wasn't wisdom coming from me. I stole this from somebody at some point. But paraphrasing, somebody famous once said something to the tune of, Stupid people talk about people and intelligent people talk about ideas. Yeah.
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And so if you can't attack the idea because you can't intellectually hang, like you intellectually can't attack the idea, then what are you going to do? You're going to attack the person.
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Right. They just talk. It's you are never going to get hate. from somebody who's done more than you. It always comes from the people who have done less than you. I mean, I have mentors that I surround myself with who will call balls and strikes and say, Nick, we don't think you should have done that. You really screwed up here. Have you thought about doing this differently? And I listen to them.
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And every single one of them is... economies of scale more successful than I am. They've forgotten more about their levels of expertise than I will ever know. For the most part, probably better people than I could ever be. And yet I learn from them and I listen to them. And never do I get hate from those people. It's always from people who've done less.
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And I've had people attack me to say, oh, well, Nick was in special ops, but he didn't really do that much. I was like, okay, well, I guess my 14 combat deployments didn't really count. Oh, well, Nick was at the CIA, but it's not like he was really doing operations. Okay, well, I guess my 16 combat deployments there don't really count. Well, Nick may have went to Harvard, but it was extension.
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So it doesn't really count. I'm like, oh, really? I had to pass the same test as everybody else to get in, right? I mean, so, well, yeah, Nick was an entrepreneur. And yeah, he's had this nonprofit that's been around for 10 years and one technology company. And now he's got another one and they're venture capital backed. But that's just because, insert excuse on why I can't do the same thing.
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What they don't know is that I'm 47 years old. I've never had a vacation in my entire adult life because I have just always been executing on the mission. I have a few hobbies because it's kind of what you need for health. But that's the reason that I do them. That or it's, you know, things that I'm going to do with my kids and my family because that has to be mission number one.
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But beyond that, it's like, no, like, what do I want to do? Well, I've got I've got half a day where I've got nothing to do. Awesome. I've got I've got work to do because my goal is so impossibly big that there's no possible way that I will reach it if I don't continually work on it.