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How to Escape Living Paycheck to Paycheck

Wed, 11 Dec 2024

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Chapter 1: How can I manage a special needs trust effectively?

75.16 - 79.544 Caller

And I wanted to call and ask your opinion on how I should best feel about this.

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80.956 - 87.084 Caller

Yeah, I would not do any bonds for sure. Your mom is in a special needs trust? What's her issue?

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88.285 - 93.932 Caller

She has multiple sclerosis, has had it for 30 years, and is in a nursing home.

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94.332 - 98.177 Caller

Oh, wow. Okay. And the 170 is all the money she has in the world?

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100.703 - 104.086 Caller

Plus about $10,000 in checking account, but yes.

104.386 - 104.847 Caller

Okay.

104.967 - 106.048 Caller

That's it. All right.

106.809 - 121.043 Caller

And how much are you using? Is there a burn rate on it? Are you using it for her care? I have not touched a cent of it in the few years it's been active since I established it. How is she being cared for?

122.685 - 123.566 Caller

Medicare, Medicaid. Okay.

Chapter 2: Should I fix my car or buy a new one?

124.679 - 149.641 Caller

Okay. All right. Cool. All right. So to the extent we can leave it alone, we can invest it in something that has a longer time horizon to be safe. So just like a good growth stock mutual fund, if you leave that alone five years, you're pretty safe. OK, so I certainly wouldn't put all of it there. I'd be looking for a mix between high yield savings for a big chunk of this.

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150.161 - 166.186 Caller

And then the other chunk, I might do something as simple as an S&P 500 or sit down with a smart investor pro and just pick out some very, very calm growth and income type funds. But all of those funds would be, you know, in the last year they would have paid 20 percent. But the last year the market was up 30 percent.

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167.366 - 191.421 Caller

um which is crazy that's not normal but in a in an average they would probably pay out 10 where the market's paying out 12 where a high yield savings is paying out four so correct you know i'm going to invest some of it not all i'm going to invest some of it not all of it to the extent i'm comfortable i can leave my hands off of it okay what does the next one to two years look like as far as short-term costs

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195.84 - 215.042 Caller

I really don't know how to answer that question. I don't foresee any major costs. But, you know, like, for example, she just had a bunch of dental work done that wasn't covered. But we were able to pay that without having to dip into this special needs trust. So things like that, maybe. But otherwise, I'm not sure.

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216.229 - 239.333 Caller

Okay. Yeah, I mean, if it was me, I'm probably putting like $100 in some mutual funds with a SmartVestor Pro that have a very low volatility, very calm funds, okay? And then I'm going to put the other like $70 into just high-yield savings. But that will at least change your income. Instead of making $4,000 on that $100, you might make $12,000 on that $100, that kind of thing.

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I understand. Okay. Outstanding.

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But you want to be able to access it when she needs it because that's the primary thing it's for. So, yeah, at Ramsey Solutions, just click on SmartVestor Pro and find one near you that you like and sit down with them, and they can teach you some things you can do. Bryce is in Dallas. Hey, Bryce, what's up?

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Hey, Gary. Thank you so much for answering my call.

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Sure. How can we help?

Chapter 3: What to do if I'm living paycheck to paycheck on a high income?

710.768 - 721.378 Caller

I own a business, and my wife works with a company. She makes about $100,000 and the rest is my income, and I own a service-based business.

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723.303 - 747.689 Caller

Okay. All right. The way you're discussing this, the language you're using is very general. It's not precise about the numbers, which tells me you're kind of just throwing this over there and just shocked that it disappeared. So if I woke up in your shoes, you've got a level of disgust.

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748.769 - 777.4 Caller

says this is not okay, is what you're saying, we make this kind of money, we shouldn't have no money, we shouldn't have a car payment when we make 600 grand, we should have just bought the car, then what I would do is simply do a detailed budget with your spouse. and come into agreement of what we want to give, what we want to save, and what we want to spend and what we want to spend it on.

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778.541 - 793.455 Caller

And every month before the month begins, every dollar has an assignment exactly. But it kind of feels like, Bill, I went through a period of time in my life where I thought I could out-earn my stupidity, my lack of organization, my lack of detail, and you can't.

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795.04 - 812.132 Caller

If you had a person working in your business that was managing a section of your business as poorly as you are managing your finances, you would fire them for incompetence. And so you've got to kind of treat it that way from an emotional standpoint and do a detailed budget.

812.732 - 828.84 Caller

And it's funny, Dave, as people make more, especially people who are good at making money, like Bill's good at making money, you're good at making money, you think you can just solve the problem by, well, I'll just make more money as long as we don't overdraft. We're doing okay. But when you do that budget, you realize if this was a business, you go, we are wasting a lot of money in this business.

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We could be doing a lot better if we cut the spending, get out of this debt. We might need to sell this investment property. It's not a blessing right now. Might need to downshift some of our giving a little bit until we get back on track. So that's the kinds of things you, the levers you'd be pulling. If this was a business, you need to treat your household the same way.

845.224 - 867.547 Caller

Yeah. Every... You need to detail it out and then stick to it, and both of you, you and your wife, have an agreement. You're both looking at it. You're not bringing it in, slapping it down on the table and declaring, I have done a budget. You people will live on it. That won't work. Now you get your wife involved in the disgust. It's not okay that we make this much money and we have no money.

868.047 - 896.613 Caller

It's not okay that we make this much money and we don't invest. So generosity is awesome. Investing is amazing. Enjoying money, yes, you should. All three things. But very, very, very, very, very, very intentional. And right now you're not intentional. You're kind of throwing a bale of dollars over the fence and then coming back to see what's left later and after the family devours it.

Chapter 4: How do I involve my partner in financial planning?

988.641 - 992.544 Caller

Well, in a sense, you have a high interest rate now because you have a hurricane tax.

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994.673 - 995.153 Caller

That's true.

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995.613 - 1020.385 Caller

In a sense. Um, uh, because of the location of the property, um, you know, uh, uh, it's causing you pain. I can use causing, which is cause you asked the question. Well, I mean, the only thing wrong with moving is that you're going to not going to get the same rate next time. Well, whoopie doopie. When rates come down, you can refinance. We, but we marry the house. We date the rate.

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1020.525 - 1021.626 Caller

So rates are temporary.

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1022.697 - 1030.704 Caller

Yes, sir. And if you're going to pay this thing off in the next few years, if it's at 140 and you go, we're going to aggressively get this thing down to zero in the next five years, the interest rate's not going to matter that much.

1032.045 - 1036.909 George Kamel

Right. Yeah, we planned on paying the house off that we're in now within the next five to ten years.

1037.089 - 1041.253 Caller

Yeah, and if you bought one at a similar price range, you could do the same thing, but you didn't have all the insurance costs.

1042.394 - 1049.433 Caller

Right. So I wouldn't go just upgrade a house and get a way more expensive house and get a way bigger mortgage just to get out of this tax and insurance situation.

1049.453 - 1075.502 Caller

It's not necessary. Yeah, buy a similar price range. If your payment goes up a little, so what? But I'd buy a similar price range and make the move. The best way to handle this sometimes is look out 10 years, 20 years, and say, where do I want to be? Okay, if you have this house paid for 20 years from now, what is that insurance cost going to do? It's going to go up every year.

Chapter 5: What are my options for buying a house?

1255.208 - 1268.512 Caller

Good. Good for you. Okay. Thank you. And so you're going to get your own place. You're currently living with your cousin, but you're going to – is that right?

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1271.037 - 1272.158 Caller

I'm kind of couch surfing.

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1272.958 - 1275.879 Caller

Yeah. But I mean, if you're making five grand a month, you're not anymore, right?

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1277.599 - 1284.222 Caller

Well, the thing is, is my credit just went from like 750 to the 500. So I don't even think I can get a place.

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1284.542 - 1285.202 Caller

Oh, I think you can.

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Like a rental.

1286.523 - 1304.082 Caller

You think so? Sure. You're making five grand a month. And you need to. You don't need to be homeless and divorcing and broke. We need to get a stabilized situation where you're safe and you have a

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home of some sort a little one-bedroom studio apartment it doesn't have to be anything fancy but get some stability and then you've got five grand minus rent minus electricity minus food to work with towards your debt and now we've got a now we've got a thing we can project into the future does that make sense couch surfing doesn't project into the future no that's what i'm saying so how much credit card debt do you have

1332.679 - 1334.541 Caller

Let me look at my spreadsheet.

Chapter 6: How can I get out of debt after separation?

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1386.798 - 1391.742 Caller

Okay. If he has no money and he still has bills outstanding, that means he lost money on the deal, right?

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Right.

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Did he just blow the money and never paid the crew?

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How much does he owe subs?

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He owes subs $30,000.

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All right. So here's what you need to do. Do you have a car payment also?

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I do, but my car just... I owe five. It's worth five. The repair is seven. And where I'm considering moving, I can get everywhere around on a bike because it's warm enough all year. So I'm like, I might sell it.

Chapter 7: Does compound interest work the same across multiple accounts?

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George Campbell, Ramsey personality, number one best-selling author of Breaking Free from Broke, host of the George Campbell Show on YouTube, the Ramsey Networks, and, of course, Ramsey Personality. He's my co-host today. Christopher is in Richmond, Virginia. Hi, Christopher. How are you? Hello, Mr. Ramsey. Thanks for taking my call.

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2319.01 - 2343.993 Caller

Sure. What's up? I've heard you yell at quite a few people about whole life policies. I have a universal life policy, and when I started hearing how terrible the whole life is, where I looked into it, And I don't think it has all the same bad things to what their whole life does, like the cash value doesn't go away when I die. Yes, it does. It would pay out with the policy. Yes, it does.

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I called the company and asked them. They said, no, it does not. Yes, it does.

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2348.195 - 2355.138 Caller

Well, they sometimes will claim they can set it up in such a way in very few policies. Do you have a universal B or A?

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2355.278 - 2388.391 Caller

I think so. What? I don't know if it's A or B. Okay. A B, a universal B works like this. You pay, let's say you bought a $100,000 policy and you build up a $20,000 cash value. Okay. Universal B charges you for $120,000. the face value plus the cash value worth of insurance. So you're purchasing extra insurance that makes it look like you get the cash value upon death, but you don't.

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You're just buying more insurance in B. That's all that you're doing, the equivalent of the cash value amount. The cash value amount in 100% of universal policies disappears at death 100% of the time. Okay.

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Always. It's how they're structured.

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It's how they're structured.

2408.114 - 2422.272 Caller

What? The other thing you said was that whole is 20 times as expensive, and I just did some comp shopping, and my universal policy is about the same as that amount it would cost me to get termed right now. I've had it for a while, but...

Chapter 8: How can I create a budget that helps me save?

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3080.779 - 3096.966 Caller

Let's talk about it. Let's say, hey, if something ever happened, I'm going to claim that I brought this money into the marriage if you divorce me, and I'm going to try to keep it. I'm going to make sure you don't get it. But you don't need a prenup to do that in most states. In most states, it was assets you owned when you came in. But I think there's something to be said here.

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It makes you think about, okay, are there parts of the way he handles money that you don't respect? Well, see, that's a red flag. That's something to be handled in a pre-marriage. Hmm?

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3110.566 - 3120.274 Caller

I see your point. Not at all. Just we have different finances, so I don't know how to combine or not combine things. I want to be smart.

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3120.594 - 3123.696 Caller

Well, when you say different, you don't mean he's irresponsible and you're responsible.

3126.098 - 3137.547 Caller

No. He has quite a bit of student loans left. He just entered the workforce after being in the military and getting his doctorate degree, so he hasn't been working.

3137.827 - 3138.788 Caller

Cool. A doctorate in what?

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He's a chiropractor.

3141.009 - 3145.451 Caller

Okay. So he's getting ready to start making some money and he's got $200,000 in stinking student loans.

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