The Prosecutors
295. The Mysterious Death of Karen Silkwood Part 1 of 2 -- Radioactive
Tue, 11 Mar 2025
When Karen Silkwood started investigating safety violations at the nuclear facility where she worked, strange things began happening. Unknown men following her, unexplained accidents at work, even nuclear contamination at home. How far would one woman go to uncover a secret? And how far would one company go to keep it? Check out our new True Crime Substack the True Crime Times at: https://t.co/26TIoM14Tg Check out our other show The Prosecutors: Legal Briefs for discussion on cases, controversial topics, or conversations with content creators Get Prosecutors Podcast Merch: https://www.bonfire.com/store/prosecutors-podcast/ Join the Gallery on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/4oHFF4agcAvBhm3o/ Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ProsecutorsPod Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prosecutorspod/ Check out our website for case resources: https://prosecutorspodcast.com/ Hang out with us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@prosecutorspod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is the Karen Silkwood case about?
And I'm Alice.
And we are the prosecutors. today on The Prosecutors. How far will a corporation go to hide its secrets? And how far will one woman go to uncover them? Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of The Prosecutors. I'm Brett and I'm joined as always by my radioactive co-host, Alice. Alice, you practically glow.
Well, thank you. You know what? It's like Alex Mack. That was one of the best shows of the 90s. Was that the 90s? Something like that. That was the 90s. Didn't she touch some nuclear material and then she could turn into water? Never watched it.
Sorry.
Oh, well, I guess.
She could turn into water? Wow.
That was the whole thing. She could turn into water and then go under the doors. That's how she could get places where she was radioactive, could go under the doors. Fantastic.
I thought I mean water would be.
You know, it was very smart because then you're invisible. But like you could see it as the Nickelodeon watcher. But the reason we're talking is smart. Isn't it smart? So like technically she's invisible, but she's water. So we see it. But, you know, if you're next to her, you don't see it because that's how TV works. True suspension of reality.
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Chapter 2: Who was Karen Silkwood and what led her to Kerr-McGee?
They take a lot of precautions, except for, you know, I told that story about the guy with the demon core. There was a core of uranium. He was keeping the core open with a screwdriver. Because as long as it was open, the radiation, low levels of radiation could escape and it didn't cause a criticality incident.
So the core didn't start to go critical, didn't start a chain reaction, which leads to a big burst of intense ionizing, killing radiation. And he accidentally knocked the screwdriver loose and the two halves closed, which started essentially a nuclear reactor in the middle of this lab. And the only thing he could do was yank the top off. And when he did that, he got blasted with radiation.
He died a few days later. He was the first person, I think, to die of radiation poisoning in that way in the United States. But those are the kind of stories you hear. And we're going to be talking a lot about that. And Alice is right. Paying attention to the timeline is important here. It's going to inform a lot of this mystery. And it is a mystery. It may be a murder mystery.
Maybe an accidental death, but whatever it is, is tied to some pretty interesting things. So let's go ahead and dive in. Karen Silkwood was born February 19th, 1946 in Longview, Texas. So just after the detonation of the two nuclear bombs in Japan, which sort of introduced the world to nuclear power. She was the oldest of three girls and grew up in Nederland, Texas.
Her sisters described her as caring and gutsy with a love for science. In high school, she developed an interest in chemistry and had a real skill for it. And this is all very interesting. She will continue to be a pioneer. She was basically the only girl in her chemistry class. At the time, women just were not expected to study science.
You know, now you might go to high school or even middle school and you're required to take certain science classes like chemistry, physics. Biology, that sort of thing. Well, at the time, women were directed towards sort of more home economics type stuff where whereas boys were expected to take sciences because they were the ones who were going to grow up to be the scientists.
But that wasn't her. She was sort of a trailblazer. And as part of that, she's really interested in this thing that a lot of people would say, why are you here? You know, girls don't do science, but she was. And she was talented so much so that she received a full scholarship to study medical technology at Lamar College in Beaumont, Texas, which once again was a rare feat for a woman at that time.
And I think this also speaks to her character because you got to have some fight to do that. Right. I mean, to be somebody who's willing to do the things that no one expects you to do. And not only do they not expect you to do, but they kind of look down on. They discourage you. They're like, why are you doing this? But she kept pushing forward.
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Chapter 3: What were the safety violations at the Kerr-McGee plant?
And you're going to see that that's a through line in this story. She never backs down and she keeps pushing, even when people are trying to stop her. Now, when she was only 18, she met an oil pipeline worker named Bill Meadows. And like so many of us, love derails our previous plans. A year later, she's 19. She drops out of college so that she can marry Bill. Now, I know this is kind of funny.
They're 19 and 18. And this just tells you how things are different, I guess, in like the early 60s. Yeah, because they were 19 and 18, even though they're adults, no one would marry them. They basically were like, we'll only marry you with your parents permission. And both sets of parents said no. We're not going to give you permission to do this.
So like many young couple before them, they just said, OK, never mind. We'll just be in a sort of common law marriage situation. They don't actually get married. They just live together as a married couple. And for all practical purposes, they are sort of common law spouses. We should do a legal brief on common law marriage at some point. No, it doesn't really exist. It's kind of not a real thing.
People talk about it all the time, but it's kind of fake.
It kind of doesn't, but it kind of does, too. It depends on the state. Basically, you just have to get all your friends to say you were married. You have to get at least one friend who's like, what? They weren't actually married?
We just lost the, you know, who knows? We thought we had recorded that certificate. It's like adverse possession of relationships. Pretty much. And how if you hold yourself out to be married, I know this is a complete aside, but if you hold yourself out to be married enough, it's like estoppel. You're treated as if you're married. You can't just all of a sudden say, nevermind, we're not married.
All this property is mine. And the court's like, no, we're going to treat you as if you were married for the purposes of your separation or whatever. Anyways, but they were common law spouses and, you know, married life started off exciting. By the time Karen was only 24 years old, she had welcomed three children. Christy, Michael, and Dawn.
But probably not surprising, the marriage that started at 18 and 19 between sort of a fiery young lady interested in science and a guy working in the oil fields had some issues. And they had a tumultuous relationship. And it reached a point where it just wasn't working anymore. There were issues.
karen would attempt to leave bill and he would sort of go get her and force her to come back into the relationship which once again it's the 60s it's just not that uncommon a lot of debate over exactly what was going on in this relationship was it abusive but what i think everyone agrees on is at some point bill started cheating on karen and at that point he was fine with her going he moved on to another woman and he was fine with going but
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Chapter 4: How did Karen Silkwood become involved with the union?
And Karen is really excited about this opportunity because she is eager to pursue a career in science. This is what she wants. was doing when she met Bill, it got derailed for a few years. But now that she was free of that tumultuous relationship, she could step right back to where she was. But it quickly became apparent to Karen that things at this nuclear plant were far from her expectations.
Shortly after starting, Karen joined the Oil, Chemical and Atomic Workers Union and participated in a nine week strike. she became a member of the union's bargaining committee and began to monitor the plant's health and safety practices which she found lacking she began to see evidence of spills falsification of records inadequate training health regulation violations and even
very disturbingly some missing amounts of plutonium which is a highly radioactive material and these were just some of the problems that she identified starting out this whole monitoring process as you can tell the charon that we kind of just met this tenacious young woman in an age when women were not in the sciences. She continues to be tenacious. She gets involved right away.
She doesn't just join the union. She becomes one of the leaders within the union, the bargaining committee. She is wanting to make sure that things are right where she is working. And so by being on this monitoring committee, she begins to see that there are a lot of problems at this plant that she's working at.
And this is not just your typical like, oh, there wasn't a cleanup on aisle five at the grocery store. Someone might slip. These are really serious problems because these types of violations can really lead to devastation at a nuclear plant. This is not just looking for problems for the sake of looking for problems.
These lackadaisical safety practices at the plant were enough to convince Karen and two other union members that they needed to do something about it. They were going to testify in front of the Atomic Energy Commission, the AEC, in Washington, D.C. And they were going to expose basically all of these bad practices at their employer, Kerr-McGee. Karen was not just going to stop there.
She wasn't just going to blow the whistle. She wanted to expose Kerr-McGee publicly for the danger they imposed on their employees. So she made a plan to take matters into her own hands and go to the New York Times. She wanted this to not just go into the black box of some committee who would write down notes and that was the end of that.
She wanted to actually make a difference because this is where she went to work every day. This is where her friends went to work. And like I mentioned before, these safety violations could truly lead to devastation. So on the evening of November 13, 1974, Karen was headed to meet with a New York Times reporter when she got into a fatal car crash.
But how exactly that accident occurred and who was responsible are still widely disputed today.
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Chapter 5: What actions did Karen Silkwood take to expose Kerr-McGee?
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So a few things to note just before we really dive into the nitty gritty. She dies in 1974. She left Bill in 1972. So she starts a whole new life and basically rises to the top of this whistleblowing phenomenon that's happening within two years. I mean, call her Spitfire, right? So when you move that fast...
And I'm sure Kerr-McGee and the safety violations didn't just start when she arrived on the plant. Likely had been going on for some time as these things happen and probably a lot of people knew about them. But until she kind of arrived on the scene, not much was being done about it. So a couple things stick out to me. She's a woman in a male-dominated field.
So she sticks out just by virtue of who she is. Even if she were a wallflower, she would stick out because of being a woman. Second, she rises to the top of being a whistleblower really fast. And she gets a lot of... Clout being on the bargaining committee, being with these other two union committee members, being ready to testify at committees in D.C.
and gathering information to go talk to the New York Times. These are all big, moving things, and they're happening fast. And whether people are ready for her to move that fast or not is something that I'm seeing swirling around. So kind of a rocket shot to the top, which she's always done because she's bright.
Being different than the typical person who works in this field, also standing out, is to me already putting a massive target on her back.
And look, the way this story is usually told is that that target was solely Kerr-McGee. But I think it is worth remembering as we talk about this. Unions are controversial, even within plants. And this union was controversial at this plant. There were plenty of people who worked there who were not union members.
There were attempts while she was there to ban the union where the union barely survived. It would almost fail. So there were a lot of workers who wouldn't necessarily have appreciated what she was doing because they would have viewed it as her threatening their job. You're making all these complaints. You're going to get this place shut down. We're going to lose our jobs.
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Chapter 6: What events led to Karen Silkwood's mysterious death?
So this is something that really we're sort of just aligning all these dangers and really focusing on the potential benefit of plutonium. So August 1972 is when Karen Silkwood gets a job at the Kerr-McGee Plutonium Plant and And she's working as a lab technician, and her job would entail making plutonium pellets.
So they're making these little pellets of plutonium that you feed into these nuclear reactors, and that's how you're going to fuel the reactor. Now, she becomes a member of the Oil, Chemical, and Atomic Workers Union. It's the first time. That she's ever really been a part of a union and she gets into it almost immediately. There's a contract negotiation going on. There's going to be a strike.
She becomes really involved in this. It was unlike anything she'd ever experienced. She'd never been involved in sort of on the ground politics like this. And she really liked it. The strike failed. And whenever a strike fails, it's always a blow to the union. And frankly, a lot of people who were in the union credited Karen with keeping the union together.
There were a lot of people who said, why even have the union? We did this whole long strike. Nothing came of it. We should just abandon this. She kept the union together. And as part of that, she gets elected to the negotiating team. She is now in leadership in the union, as I said, the first and only woman in the union and who is in leadership.
And she is responsible in her job for the health and safety of union workers. And it was something that she took very seriously.
So fast forward just two years after she joins the plant, Karen and her fellow committee members met with the Oil, Chemical and Atomic Worker Union's leaders in Washington, D.C. in September of 1974. Now, the group presented charges to the AEC, the Atomic Energy Commission, of over 40 health and safety violations by Kerr-McGee.
So the AEC listened to their claims, but they require that the committee members provide documentations of the alleged charges, because how do they know that there's any teeth to these allegations? These are serious allegations, but they could just be disgruntled workers. In fact, they had just had a strike that failed. So how do they not know that this may just be them trying to make trouble?
So they say, OK, well, we need evidence and documentation of what you are alleging here. So Karen Silkwood is put in charge of collecting this documentation. This is a big deal. Again, she's in charge of basically proving the case that there is a case to be made at all.
And over the next two months, in addition to doing her job, Karen would work to compile this information, both in notebooks and on tapes. And she was working on all of this nonstop until her untimely death in November. Karen Silkwood, as well as OCAW officials, discussed handing over the evidence collected to the New York Times to expose Kerr-McGee.
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Chapter 7: What are the theories surrounding Karen Silkwood's death?
It's one of the things that prevents... There's a reason that even today, in 2025, there's only a handful of nations that possess an atomic bomb. Even though there are several that really want it. Because it's really hard to do. And this is a major issue...
But it's also very strange because she handles this in almost like a, I don't want to call it lackadaisical, but she doesn't, for instance, she had been in constant communication with the union people in Washington, talking about the various things that occur McGee. She does not tell them this. She does not tell the union people, oh, by the way, 40 pounds of plutonium walked out the door.
She only tells a friend of hers and apparently another friend or someone, uh, Thank you. Thank you.
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