
In this episode, stories of support coming from surprising places -- and moments of seemingly divine intervention. Family ties, a raucous subway ride, and hidden treasure. This episode is hosted by Moth Producer Chloe Salmon. The Moth Radio Hour is produced by The Moth and Jay Allison of Atlantic Public Media. Storytellers: A young Hope Iyiewuare rebels against his family's chore rotation. Onnesha Roychoudhuri takes a stand on the subway. Gregory Brady finds himself unprepared for a triathlon. Charlotte Cline and her boundary-resistant family navigate a loss. Wang Ping starts a banned book club during the Cultural Revolution in China. Podcast # 709 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the theme of this Moth Radio Hour episode?
This is the Moth Radio Hour. I'm Chloe Salmon. A saving grace is what usually rescues something or someone from being a lost cause. But I've always appreciated another, more optimistic view. A saving grace as the support we get unexpectedly, and often when we most need it. In this hour, stories of finding grace in surprising places.
It seems fitting that our first story comes from a man named Hope. He told it for us at a slam in Chicago where we partner with public radio station WBEZ. Here's Hope Iyeoye live at the Moth.
Chapter 2: How did Hope Iyiewuare's family shape his upbringing?
So growing up in Houston, I was shaped by a couple things that I couldn't escape. One of them was my siblings. And they're good people. My sister, Praise, is three years older than me. My younger brother, Peace, is one year younger. And Truth is two years younger. But don't let the names fool you. They're OK.
And we're all really close in age and we're all really close in size, so we were really cramped. And the second thing that shaped me, this tiny apartment, two bedrooms, the bathroom was frankly disgusting, for the kids at least. A big part of that was the routine of us cleaning that, and the entire house, honestly, the entire apartment. My mom would come into our room.
We heard her before we saw her, because she was singing Nigerian gospel music. And we knew that it was that Saturday that we were going to clean the bathroom. It was a little traumatizing. The bathroom itself, there was a corner that was just completely mildewed. I think the roaches there would rent to other roaches. It wasn't a good look for anybody.
But thankfully, we were able to move out of that apartment. My mom and dad bought a house. thankfully moving up, but that routine continued. We had the Saturday morning gospel music, the Saturday morning cleaning, things continued as usual.
I'm thinking back to a time when I was about 15 and my mom had come upstairs, she was directing us where we were gonna go, and she points to me and she's like, Hope, alright, go fix up that room, sparkling, sparkling clean, and then go take care of this bathroom. And the one thing siblings are good for is the chore rotation. It was not my week for the bathroom.
And I mean, as people who have been in bathrooms before, no one likes to clean them. And it was not my week, more importantly. I tried to get my mom to see the injustice of making me clean it when it was Truth Week, and she said, no, I'm going to go to the store. When I get back, you're going to help clean this bathroom. So I storm off. I head to my room.
I try to slam the door, but I catch it real fast because I'm raised right. And I just, like, pace around my room, and I'm looking at, I need to release this anger. So I see the wall right beside my window, and I'm just, I'm getting ready. I draw back, and I smack the wall. I expected to hear that same pop. But instead of hearing that pop, I feel my fist give a little.
And I realized that instead of cinder blocks and wallpaper that was the walls of my old apartment, this house had drywall. And I learned about its existence the hard way. And I step back, and I just look at my fist. My first instinct is to go wash my hand and then go wash the bathroom out of just fear of what would happen if my mom found me at the crime scene.
My second instinct was to figure out how I was going to tell her because I didn't want her to find me, find out and then find me. break the noose to her gently. But at the same time, my thoughts were just racing. I couldn't imagine what would possess me to do this because I'm not an angry kid.
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Chapter 3: What lesson did Hope learn from his rebellious act?
To see a photo of the Yayoi family, again, that's hope, peace, praise, and truth, plus their mom, Adesua, head over to themoth.org. Our next story is from Anaysha Roy Chowdhury, who found herself looking for support in a place where things are usually everyone for themselves, the New York City subway. She told this at a virtual main stage, which means she took the stage from her living room.
Here's Anaysha Roy Chowdhury live at The Moth.
So it's a cold, rainy November evening, and I am sweating profusely. And that's because I am currently entrenched in that very specific hell that is lugging heavy groceries on a subway to get home. Luckily, I force myself onto this crowded hot F train, but I find this coveted spot by the back doors. So I get there. I'm able to put my bags down and lean up against those doors.
And I heave this big sigh of relief because I think I'm home free. But the next stop, this guy gets on the train. and he's holding a Bible in one hand and he just launches into this really hateful monologue. He starts talking about how some people based on who they love, they're going to hell. Other people based on like where they're from, what they look like, they're probably going to hell.
I mean, this monologue is going on for a while. The basic gist though that I'm getting is that there are a whole lot of us and we're all going to hell. And my fellow New Yorkers and I, we do our job, right? Like we do our job of ignoring him. The problem is this guy, he is not following the rule.
So like the unspoken rule is you get on a train car, you say your crazy shit, but you keep it snappy and then you like move on to the next train car down and then you say your crazy shit there. Everyone understands that this is the unspoken rule except this guy. He did not get the memo. He keeps on going and going. And the longer he's going on for, the more the atmosphere in that train changes.
And I think a part of that might be because this was only a couple weeks after the 2016 presidential election. There'd been this uptick in hate crimes even around New York City, and these shared public spaces that I had started to take for granted would just be safe. It suddenly felt less safe. And in this moment, I really started to feel this deep need to do or say something to make him stop.
And I know my fellow New Yorkers did too. There was one guy who just told him to shut up, but of course that didn't work. And the longer this is going on, the more the sensation, the closest thing I can explain it as it's just like this full body itch starts growing.
But alongside this itch, this need to say or do something comes this really old mantra that goes a little something like, it's not that big of a deal. Keep your feelings to yourself. Don't make a scene. It'll be over soon. And this mantra is so familiar because it's been with me since I was a kid.
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Chapter 4: How did Onnesha Roychoudhuri confront hate on the subway?
See, I was that kind of kid where all through elementary school, my teachers would tell my parents, she's really well behaved. She's quiet. She's thoughtful. And it's true. I was really well behaved. But that's only because all of the not well behaved feelings, thoughts, the anger, the questions, the frustration, I mostly kept to myself.
or I funneled it into these quiet private spaces like diaries. When I was a kid, I also used to go to Florida every summer to spend time with my mom's side of the family. And Florida meant a lot of really great things, a whole lot of rule bending. I got to stay up late, I got to eat a whole bunch of sugar, got to set off fireworks, but it also meant my Uncle Bill.
Now, my Uncle Bill didn't believe in what he called mixed marriage, and because my father's Indian and my mother's white, He didn't approve. And what this actually looked like is he just never spoke to me. He didn't look at me. He didn't acknowledge me. And this made for some pretty awkward family dinners, at least for me.
And there were a lot of things sitting across that dinner table from Uncle Bill that I wanted to say or do. I think mostly I wanted to grab him and shake him and just make him look at me, but I didn't do anything. Instead I sat there, maybe I closed my eyes and thought, It's not that big of a deal. Don't make a scene. It'll be over soon.
I think I was afraid that if I actually expressed my feelings or ask questions, I wouldn't feel supported by those around me. And I would end up feeling more alone and alienated than I already did. And so that's kind of how it went every summer in Florida. And those feelings stayed there, but they became sort of like,
old furniture in a familiar room, so that I was aware of them in as much as I moved around them, but that was about it. It was just there, fading into the background. The real problem is that that inability to express my feelings when I most wanted and needed to followed me into adulthood. And I'm going to give you just like a snapshot of what that looks like.
So I'm in my early 30s, and I am hanging out with a good friend of mine who I just so happen to have a massive crush on. And I know I need to tell him my feelings for him. And so we spend this amazing day together. You know, it's coming to an end. He walks me home. We hug goodnight. He turns to go. And I'm like, okay, now's the moment. Don't let it go by. So I say, wait. And he turns.
And then I watch as though outside of my body as I go in for a high five. Yeah, so I gave my friend a high five instead of telling him that I had feelings for him. So all of these moments from my past are just like running in my head as I'm still on that crowded hot train. It's like the world's shittiest, this is your life movie montage.
And I feel convinced that if I do not do something in that particular moment, I'm just going to be condemned to repeating these moments. And I don't know, probably dying alone. Like all of that is happening in my head. And so I get this idea. And as soon as I do, this younger version of me is like, oh, there's no way we're doing that.
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Chapter 5: What was the unexpected outcome of Onnesha's subway experience?
When we return, an unprepared triathlete and a TMI mother-daughter moment for the ages when the Moth Radio Hour continues.
The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.
This is the Moth Radio Hour. I'm Chloe Salmon. We're listening to stories of finding grace where it's least expected. This next story comes to us from Gregory Brady, who told it for us at a slam in New Orleans, where we partner with public radio station WWNO. Here's Gregory live at the Moth.
I'm a heroin addict in recovery. I started shooting heroin at 17 and I did it for years and years and years. In 1999 was one of my worst years, worst experience. I was shooting dope every day. I got in a car accident. I was half blind. I had broken my shoulders. The doctors gave me Percodan and Valium, and I still had my dope, and I was losing time.
A judge put me in Bridgewater State Prison, which was a place where they put heroin addicts for 30 days just to get the drugs out of your system. It was probably the closest I came to death in my whole life. I get out of there, and I'm in my living room in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. I was living in the Berkshire Mountains, and I'm with my best friend Marilyn and my daughter Bianca.
My daughter, at this time, is 11. And Marilyn was reading the paper, and she was talking about the Josh Billings. And I said, well, what's the Josh Billings? She said, it's a triathlon. You go 28 miles on a bicycle, five miles in a canoe, and seven miles on foot. And so Bianca said to me, Daddy, you should do the Josh Billings. And it was a big joke. And I said, one second.
I said, I'm going to do it. Okay. So I did. I began to train, okay, little at a time. My body mended. I came back to life. I thought it was great. The Berkshires, the foliage, the mountains, the lake. Marilyn had a bike. It was an inch smaller than others, but that was okay. And she had a great big canoe. That was okay. We duct taped it together. We tried to make it proper for the race.
And I had my Converse basketball sneakers. And so I trained and trained, and I finished first every night that I trained in my mind. You know what I mean? I could not be defeated. And I was so much feeling life. And so I'm playing the Stones with my earphones, and I'm listening. Daddy, you're a fool to cry. And I'm coming right over the finish line like this. It was just absolutely awesome.
The day of the race came. I go to the race. I got my little bike, which is okay. And I see people clipping their shoes into the pedals of their bikes. And I went, my God, that's dangerous. What are these people doing? And so, first is a mile uphill. And I'm passing people. And I'm feeling good. Man, man, I might not even finish last. This is great. And then going down the hill, they went...
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Chapter 6: How did Gregory Brady's triathlon journey begin?
And I felt safe. I just felt safe. And his wife walked around me and poured water on me. And I couldn't look up. I was looking at their $500 running shoes. And I had this attack of shame. And he said to me, listen, buddy. He said, the guy that won this race won in two hours and three minutes. Next week, nobody's going to remember this guy's name.
He said, if you can get up and get yourself over the finish line, it says four hours and 43 minutes. He said, you're going to be a story for grandchildren for years to come. And I went, oh my God. And I kept getting up and staggering and falling. And I could see Marilyn and my daughter at the finish line.
And Bianca Lynn, my daughter, she was looking at me and she just had that awful look on her face and she was scared and she was looking at me like she had been looking at me my whole life. I was always in that kind of frigging condition. And so I got up and I fell, and the man stayed with me, and his wife kept pouring the water and all of that.
And, you know, it was just, to me, it was just like a whole failure. And then Bianca got right up in front, right next to the clock, and she clenched her little hands, and she stuck her chest out, and she screamed, That's my daddy! And my God... So I stood right up and I walked over that finish line and she jumped into my arms and she said, I love you so much, daddy. Thank you.
Gregory Brady now lives in Worcester, Massachusetts, and has written and published a book called Suicide Watch. He is a recovered heroin addict and provides opiate education through storytelling. When I reached out to him about airing this story, he made sure to tell me all about how proud he is to call Bianca his daughter. and asked if I could give her a shout-out.
I couldn't say no to that, so, hey there, Bianca. Thank you for being such an important part of this story, and for reminding us all to give our dads a call. To see some photos of Gregory and Bianca together, head on over to themoth.org.
Put my daughter on my knee She said, ooh Daddy, you're a fool to cry
Sometimes saving graces come as lightning bolt moments. And sometimes, like in our next story, they're as small and beautiful as a reason to laugh again. Charlotte Klein told this at a London Grand Slam. Just a note that this story involves a funny misunderstanding about a part of the female body. Here's Charlotte live at the Moth.
We didn't have a lock on our bathroom growing up, which meant that there were often three or four of us in there at once, two in the bath, one on the toilet, and my dad soaping his bristles at the sink. They say that the kitchen is the heart of the family home, but in my house it was the bathroom. As we got older, my sister Robin taught me how to wedge the dirty laundry basket behind the door.
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Chapter 7: What challenges did Gregory face during the triathlon?
I tried to warn him of the dangers, and I told him to make splashing noises in the bath to signal that it was occupied. But despite his best splashing efforts, my dad appeared at the door, Winnie the Pooh style, a shirt on his top half and completely naked from the waist down.
and nonchalantly went for a sleepy wee while Griff lay utterly horrified in the bath and tried to act like he was cool with it. The rest of the house was always fairly lawless and alive, so I don't know why we expected the bathroom to be sacred. And I always thought that I wanted more privacy and more boundaries when there was a time when those things unexpectedly and uninvitedly crept in.
When in the summer before I turned 13, the house went quiet, and we lost my sister Robin in a car accident. Afraid to upset one another further, we gave each other privacy. We built those boundaries, and we locked invisible locks, and it didn't feel like home. I miss the madness that had once driven me crazy.
We were all looking for our own ways to cope, and my mum had started swimming to try and find her happy place again. She came home, and she went for a wee, and I wandered, uninvited, into the bathroom, something which I hadn't done for a while.
As she looked down, she found, tangled in her pubic hair, a purpley-pink, mysterious blob that looked like it should have been attached to an intimate part of her body, and now wasn't. And she held it up in shock. And a look of recognition passed between us, mother to daughter, daughter to mother.
LAUGHTER
So she squeezed it, and it squished. And she held it up for a closer look. It smelt of strawberries. The pink mystery blob was, in fact, a piece of strawberry hubba-bubba bubblegum that had been chewed completely accidentally into anatomical perfection by its careless previous owner and found itself stuck to her as she sat on the bench at the swimming pool changing room.
Sorry, I'm going to ruin that gum forever for anyone. We dissolved into bits of giggles reserved only for times of absolute relief. Not only for the lost and now found clitoris. But also the sounds of joy and silliness starting to return to our house again. It felt good to laugh.
My teenage self behind me, I can see what we lacked in privacy we found in this beautiful naked closeness of what it means to be a family, forever bound by blood and bath water and bubble gum. I have a house and a family of my own now. Funnily enough, with that first flame-haired Welsh boyfriend, Griff, who didn't run for the hills as he ought to have done.
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