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Very Fatigued Trump Loses His Mind in Worst Interview

Wed, 30 Apr 2025

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s disastrous interview with ABC News and its host Terry Moran. The Perfect Jean: Get 15% OFF Get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code MEIDAS15 at https://theperfectjean.nyc #theperfectjeanpod Visit https://meidasplus.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: Who conducted the critical interview with Donald Trump?

0.369 - 25.886 Ben Meiselas

yeah there was lots of huffing and puffing in this interview terry moran from abc actually delivered an incredible pitch perfect interview of donald trump and trump was fumbling and bubbling and just looked like an absolute idiot this was a 100 day trump interview and uh ABC reporter, I mean, stepped up. I want you to watch what went down.

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25.926 - 44.795 Ben Meiselas

Donald Trump claimed that Brago Garcia had MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles with the actual letter M, number one, three, letter S. And it was clearly Photoshopped. Like you can literally look at it. And Donald Trump's like, no, it says MS-13. Just watch this, play it.

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44.895 - 69.384 Donald Trump

It wasn't a member of a gang. And then they looked and on his knuckles, he had MS-13. There's a dispute over that. Wait a minute. He had MS-13 on his knuckle tattoo. He had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But let's move on. Wait a minute. Hey, Terry, Terry, Terry. He did not have the letter MS-13. It says MS-13. That was Photoshopped. That was Photoshopped, Terry. You can't do that.

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69.844 - 89.335 Donald Trump

Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime. You know, you're doing the interview. I picked you because, frankly, I never heard of you, but that's okay. I picked you, Terry, but you're not being very nice. He had MS-13 tattooed. We'll agree to disagree. I want to move on to something else. Terry, do you want me to show you the picture? I saw the picture. And you think it was Photoshopped?

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89.776 - 111.714 Donald Trump

Here we go. Don't Photoshop it. Go look at his hand. He had MS-13. He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way. I'm not an expert on them. I want to turn to Ukraine, sir. I want to get to Ukraine. No, no. No, no. He had M.S. as clear as you can be, not interpreted. This is why people no longer believe. Well, the news, because when he was photographed in El Salvador, they aren't there.

112.074 - 131.747 Donald Trump

But let's just go. They aren't there when he's in El Salvador. Oh, they weren't there, but they're there now, right? No, they're in your picture. Terry, Ukraine, sir. He's got M.S. 13 on his knuckles. All right. Okay? We'll take a look. It's such a disservice. We'll take a look at that, sir. Why don't you just say, yes, he does, and go on to something else. He's contested.

132.548 - 149.799 Ben Meiselas

Next up, Donald Trump lies and claims that tourism is way up and it's going so good when we all know that tourism is crashing. Again, it's just the most easy thing to prove as a lie, but hear Donald Trump saying that things are great and it's going to get better. Play this clip. And Canadians...

150.699 - 176.194 Donald Trump

Many of them are really angry, furious about your talk about we're going to take over Canada is going to become the 51st state. And it kind of is of a piece. A lot of travel is down into the United States from around the world. It feels like there's been reputational damage. Great. Well, prices are down. Gasoline's down. Energy's down. Tourism is going to be way up. Wait till you see the numbers.

176.254 - 188.616 Donald Trump

The tourism is way up. Now, Canada, tourism's doing very well. We're doing very well. We're doing very well. Wait till you see the real numbers come out in about, in six months from now, wait till you see the numbers.

Chapter 2: Did Donald Trump falsely claim MS-13 tattoos in the interview?

460.513 - 483.211 Donald Trump

You said concerning the tariffs, which economists say are going to raise prices. You said, quote, Hang tough. It won't be easy. You said that to the American people. Is that what Americans should expect? Some hard times? I've said that during my campaign. Look, we won a campaign by a lot. We won all seven swing states. We won the popular vote by a lot. You know, we had a tremendous campaign.

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483.251 - 494.2 Donald Trump

I said all these things during my campaign. I said, you're going to have a transition period. We've been ripped off by every country all over the world. They're laughing at us. They thought we were stupid people, and we were.

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494.941 - 518.244 Ben Meiselas

And I told you, I mean, this is a good interview. He did a great, good job, this interview. Terry Moran then talks about how, like, what's your message to small businesses? Like, okay, you're giving favors to Apple, like they can negotiate exemptions to tariffs, but like... What's your plan for small businesses? And Trump's like, it doesn't matter. Apple's doing great. Play this clip.

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518.504 - 540.174 Donald Trump

So your message to those small businesses who are saying we can't live a month, two months with these tariffs. Apple got a big deal. Is there something? for them? No, not only Apple. We've got seven to eight trillion dollars being invested in our country in two months. Biden didn't have that over a year. I mean, if you look at Biden, nobody was really investing in this country.

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540.234 - 558.004 Donald Trump

Everybody was ripping off our country. Apple's putting up five hundred billion dollars, but that's only one of many companies. Companies are flooding into our country right now. So your answer to the concern about the tariffs is everything's going to be hunky dory. everything's going to be just fine. It wouldn't have been if I didn't do this. I had a choice.

558.104 - 574.749 Donald Trump

I could leave it, have a nice, easy time, but I think ultimately you would have had an implosion. Our country had inflation that was worse than they've ever had it before. You don't mention that. Why don't you mention that? We had the worst inflation probably in the history of our country.

576.15 - 601.859 Ben Meiselas

When you watch this, doesn't it look like a deranged individual? It literally... Like this is the guy who's controlling the economy who thinks a photoshopped MS-13 is real when it's obviously photoshopped. Who's saying tourism is up when it's down. Like we all see this. Like can we talk about that this is like a demented individual?

602.82 - 613.989 Ben Meiselas

Then Donald Trump tries to throw his lawyers under the bus and says that when it comes to providing due process, he doesn't know anything about that. His lawyers do play this clip here, including terrorists, by the way.

614.409 - 635.936 Donald Trump

Now, but we give them a hearing when they came in. Well, the law requires that every single person who is going to be deported gets a hearing first. Well, I'll have to ask the lawyers about that. All I can say is this. If you're going to have 21 million people and we have to get a lot of them out because they're criminals, we're going to have to act fast. We can't.

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