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Trump Witnesses Unravel Under Cross Exam at Hearing

Sat, 10 May 2025

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Democratic Senators cross-examining top Trump officials like Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and FBI Director Kash Patel at public hearings. Helix: Go to https://Helixsleep.com/meidas and get 27% Off Sitewide + a Free Bedding Bundle with any Luxe or Elite Mattress Order! Visit https://meidasplus.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What questions did Senator Merkley ask FBI Director Kash Patel about due process violations?

0.319 - 28.538 Ben Meiselas

Let's take a look at this cross-examination by Democratic senators of Donald Trump's cabinet and Donald Trump's administration. Right here, you have Democratic Senator Merkley cross-examining FBI Director Kash Patel about whether or not he intends to launch an investigation of reported violations of due process of several hundred individuals who were put in concentration camps in El Salvador.

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28.578 - 29.178 Ben Meiselas

Let's watch it.

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29.358 - 31.039 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

It is your job to investigate crimes.

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31.559 - 37.32 Kash Patel

Yes, I agree with the Fifth Amendment. I agree with the entire Constitution and the men and women at the FBI decide.

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37.34 - 44.122 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

So are you going to launch an investigation of the reported violation of the due process of several hundred individuals?

44.563 - 52.245 Kash Patel

Again, Senator, it's not for me to call the balls and strikes on it. The men and women at the FBI who are trained to open investigations will make those calls.

53.231 - 57.272 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

So you have no influence over whether an investigation is opened?

57.672 - 62.074 Kash Patel

I have influence over it, but you're asking me a constitutional question. I'm not a constitutional scholar.

62.094 - 65.055 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

It's actually not a, it's a question also of law.

Chapter 2: Why has FBI Director Kash Patel not submitted the FY2026 budget request?

139.995 - 141.376 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

It was due last week by law.

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142.277 - 142.757 Kash Patel

I understand.

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143.939 - 146.321 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

And your answer is you just understand you're not going to follow the law.

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147.253 - 154.377 Kash Patel

My answer is that I am following the law and I'm working with my interagency partners to do this and get you the budget that you are required to have.

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155.138 - 156.378 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

And you have no timeline?

157.379 - 157.479 Kash Patel

No.

162.261 - 178.169 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Well, we also need a full budget request, not a single paragraph full of wild talking points that we saw with the skinny budget proposal. We're now having a budget hearing without a budget request. So, Director Patel, where is the FY2026 budget request for the FBI?

179.249 - 180.43 Kash Patel

It's being worked on, ma'am.

180.83 - 182.831 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Have you reviewed it? Have you approved it?

Chapter 3: How did Kash Patel respond emotionally during the budget hearing?

243.866 - 250.67 Kash Patel

I have not placed anyone on leave who has not violated their ethical obligation or their oath to the Constitution.

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250.69 - 255.093 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

So if they were investigating January 6th, you believe they were violating an ethical obligation?

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255.113 - 260.657 Kash Patel

Nope. I think the common theme here is you putting words in my mouth, and I'm not going to tolerate it, nor will the men and women of the FBI.

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261.978 - 270.403 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Well, you did place on leave an analyst responsible for investigating Russia's meddling in the 2016 election. Is that politicization? Is that retribution?

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271.132 - 287.456 Kash Patel

No, not if she broke the law or the ethical guidelines. I don't know which case you're talking about, but that's the standard. And we will hold ourselves inwardly accountable. And we will not be strayed from our mission because people think we are politicizing the bureau. If you want to talk about someone who was attacked by a weaponized bureau, you're looking at him.

287.716 - 289.916 Kash Patel

And now he's the director of the FBI and he's cleaning it up.

290.276 - 314.426 Ben Meiselas

That's what we call a sociopath right there. They all have that Trump sociopath, malignant narcissism right there. And you just see how triggered he gets, how angry he gets so quickly. Next up, you have Democratic Senator Murphy. Here he's cross-examining Donald Trump's Homeland Security Secretary, Kristi Noem, about, have you even read the Supreme Court decision where you're a defendant?

314.486 - 315.486 Ben Meiselas

Here, play this clip.

315.646 - 338.493 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Have you read the I assume you have read the Supreme Court decision in the case of Kilmar Brego Garcia? Yes, that. Court decision requires the administration to facilitate Kilmar Obrego Garcia's release from El Salvador. Can you describe the steps that you have taken to facilitate this release?

Chapter 4: What was Senator Murphy's line of questioning to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem?

347.399 - 368.328 Kristi Noem

Obrego Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador and should never have been in this country. and will not be coming back to this country. There is no scenario where Abrego Garcia will be in the United States again. If he were to come back, we would immediately deport him again because he is a terrorist, he's a human smuggler, and he is a wife beater.

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368.708 - 375.75 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

You've read the Supreme Court decision. Does the Supreme Court decision not require you to facilitate the return of Mr. Abrego Garcia?

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375.97 - 379.933 Kristi Noem

The Trump administration is complying with all court orders and judges' orders.

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380.933 - 386.097 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Does the Supreme Court order require you to facilitate the return of Mr. Obrego Garcia?

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386.137 - 407.915 Kristi Noem

Yes or no? It is up to the president of El Salvador to make the decision on if he is coming back. It's been a big topic of conversation between all of us, between the country. When the president visited the United States of America, it was discussed and talked about there. Okay. The president has been very clear on this issue as the secretary of state. And I have as well.

Chapter 5: How did Kristi Noem respond to questions about the Supreme Court ruling on Kilmar Obrego Garcia?

407.975 - 413.862 Kristi Noem

Abrego Garcia is not a citizen of this country and is a dangerous individual who does not belong.

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414.002 - 414.483 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

I will. I will.

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414.683 - 416.305 Kristi Noem

I will. I will not ask another question.

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416.325 - 435.288 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

If we were back in this country, we would immediately. But the discussion ends when the Supreme Court rules. nine zero that you have to facilitate his release. And the fact that you can't even acknowledge the wording of the order, which commands you to facilitate his release. And you advertise to this committee that you are going to willfully ignore the

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435.933 - 446.48 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

The ruling, that is incredibly chilling for the balance of powers in a democracy that relies on the executive branch to honor decisions made by the highest court of the land.

446.76 - 451.423 Ben Meiselas

Yeah, no, Senator Murphy is very good at this. Here he is again. Let's play this clip.

451.443 - 459.148 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Do you believe that you have the right to detain or deport a legal permanent resident for expressing their political opinion?

459.594 - 476.67 Kristi Noem

I don't make decisions on legal status here in the United States. The Department of State does that, and I would say that as they've gone through an evaluation of who gets a visa, who gets legal status, green cards, they've been evaluating and discussing how that applies.

476.69 - 496.857 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Well, I acknowledge that you don't make – If someone is a legal permanent resident of the United States, I'm not talking about an H-1B or a student visa holder. I'm talking about a legal permanent resident. If you are a legal permanent resident, do you have the right to detain or deport that person simply for expressing their political opinion?

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