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Chapter 1: Why does Trump frequently attack Michael Wolff?
Let's talk about someone who Donald Trump attacks over and over again, probably almost more than anyone. It's a reporter and author by the name of Michael Wolff. And I'm sure you've seen Donald Trump attack him like this. So-called author Michael Wolff's new book is a total fake job, just like the other junk he wrote.
He called me many times trying to set up a meeting, but I never called him back because I didn't want to give him credibility of an interview, blah, blah, blah. There's so many other posts like this. And Michael Wolff's out with a new book called All or Nothing, How Trump Recaptured America. And frankly, because of posts like that, He's kind of persona non grata when it comes to corporate media.
And normally you do a book tour. You talk about your book. Michael Wolff wrote about it in The Hollywood Reporter. Michael Wolff, Trump scared the news networks into banning my book. It's a guest column in The Hollywood Reporter. And does it shock you that the corporate media oligarchs who went and kissed the ring at Mar-a-Lago would not want someone like Michael Wolff on their network?
They used to have him on the network all the time to talk about his reporting. I think there may be another reason as well that Trump attacks Wolff more than anybody. What can it be? I thought for a second they were going to release those Epstein files. Remember all of those MAGA influencers? They went outside and they were holding their binders up saying that they had those Epstein files.
And it turned out it was just like Epstein's phone list, by the way, which has Trump's name on it, which was released many years ago in connection with the various cases involving Epstein. But if y'all remember, Wolf's got a lot of tapes online. of Epstein talking about Donald Trump.
Like you may recall this one that we in the Daily Beast reported, but almost no one else was reporting before the election. Seems like a big deal to me, but you remember this, let's play it.
I think we have a snippet from one of the conversations that I recorded with Epstein, and I think this was in a restaurant in 2017.
His people fight each other. Right. And then have outsiders. He sort of poisons the well outside. He will tell 10 people Bannon's a scumbag, and Priest is not doing a good job, and Kelly has a big mouth. What do you think? Jamie Dimon says that you're a problem and I shouldn't keep you. And I spoke to Carl Icahn and Carl thinks I need a new spokesperson.
So Kelly, even though I hired Kellyanne's husband, Kellyanne is just too much of a wild one.
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Chapter 2: Why is Michael Wolff's book banned from corporate media?
Robert R. Completely consistent. I mean, Donald Trump I don't think has changed the way he operates or what he wants or how he sees things in decades. And these first weeks of the new administration, which are actually rather like the first weeks of the first administration, all goes back to what does he want. And he wants headlines. Headlines, headlines, headlines. He doesn't care about policy.
He doesn't care about a legislative agenda. He cares about dominating the news cycle every day. So you can read the New York Times today, and literally every story is a Trump-related story. That's what he wants. And there's some method to this madness, which is to say that if he gets airtime or headlines, nobody else does. Therefore, he is the only thing that matters.
He's the only person on the stage. And that's how he has run his political life. That's how he ran his real estate life. That's how he ran his entertainment business life. And it doesn't matter if he contradicts the headlines the next day, tariffs on, tariffs off, because it just gives him another headline.
As I like to say now, we are all somewhat trapped as kind of non-consensual participants in this dystopian reality show that he's created. Are you going to do any more books? What are you thinking? What's the next one?
You know, after every book, I say I certainly hope not, and I swear off any possibility. And that's where I am today in this moment. So we will see.
Well, you've written a lot of books after swearing it off. So we'll come back in a year and we'll check in on you. Michael Wolff, thanks for everything. And everybody check out the book, All or Nothing, How Trump Recaptured America. Appreciate you, Michael, for coming on. Thanks so much.
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