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Will Paramount Settle With Trump?

Thu, 27 Feb 2025

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Paramount Global is wrestling with whether to settle President Trump’s lawsuit against its CBS unit. At the same time, the company is waiting for regulatory approval from the Trump administration for its merger with Skydance Media. WSJ’s Jessica Toonkel explains.   Further Reading: -CBS Owner Discusses Settling Trump Suit, With Merger Review on Tap  -FCC Requests ‘60 Minutes’ Harris Interview Material as It Reviews Paramount-Skydance Merger  -Paramount Executives Ask: Could They Be Sued for Settling Trump’s $20 Billion CBS Lawsuit?  Further Listening: -Mayhem at Paramount as Merger Looms  -Why Buying Paramount Global Won’t Be Easy  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the controversy surrounding the 60 Minutes interview?

11.493 - 28.102 Kate Leinbaugh

Hello again. How are you? This is raw video footage from 60 Minutes, the longstanding news magazine show on CBS. Last fall, veteran correspondent Bill Whitaker sat down with Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

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29.403 - 29.683 Bill Whitaker

Good?

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30.383 - 45.238 Kate Leinbaugh

I'm good. All right. Well, Madam Vice President... Whitaker kicked the interview off with questions about the Middle East and pressed Harris on the Biden administration's relationship with Israel's prime minister.

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45.758 - 65.029 Bill Whitaker

But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening. The Wall Street Journal said that he, that your administration has repeatedly been blindsided by Netanyahu. And, in fact, he has rebuffed just about all of your administration's entreaties.

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69.309 - 98.241 Kamala Harris

The work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region. And we're not going to stop doing that. We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.

99.83 - 133.994 Kate Leinbaugh

This answer and how it was edited has become the center of a storm involving President Trump, claims of election interference, and questions about media independence. This storm is also threatening an $8 billion merger that CBS's parent company, Paramount Global, desperately wants to get done. Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Kate Leinbaugh.

134.294 - 175.155 Kate Leinbaugh

It's Thursday, February 27th. Coming up on the show, Trump's fight against the news media runs headlong into a massive entertainment merger. Soon after 60 Minutes aired its interview with Harris, her opponent, Donald Trump, took to the stage at a campaign rally and asked his supporters a question.

Chapter 2: How is President Trump involved in the lawsuit against CBS?

175.776 - 187.442 Donald Trump

So you know what? If you want me to, I will sue them. Should I? Because they are among the most, see the media, they're among the most dishonest people ever.

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189.707 - 197.31 Kate Leinbaugh

Trump did sue CBS for $10 billion. And our colleague Jessica Tunkel has been following the case.

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198.331 - 222.587 Jessica Tunkel

So Trump files this massive lawsuit. And, you know, frankly, at the time, I'm not sure everyone took it super seriously because they felt like it was grandstanding. But in the claim, what he says is that there was a promotion for the interview on Face the Nation. Face the Nation is another CBS show, and it aired a preview of the interview.

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223.447 - 230.39 Jessica Tunkel

And then when you actually saw the interview, it was much more, it was a cleaner answer. It was a more succinct answer.

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231.35 - 234.891 Kate Leinbaugh

Here is Harris' answer as it aired on Face the Nation.

235.492 - 239.593 Bill Whitaker

But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

240.234 - 260.462 Kamala Harris

Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.

261.603 - 263.684 Kate Leinbaugh

And here's what aired on 60 Minutes.

264.324 - 271.969 Kamala Harris

We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.

Chapter 3: What are the legal implications of Trump's lawsuit?

273.168 - 298.599 Jessica Tunkel

When you actually saw the interview on 60 Minutes, it was a much more succinct answer. And so Trump is saying, this was deceitful. You did this to favor her campaign over mine. How did CBS respond? So CBS was pretty vehement. They said, you know, it's the same question, same answer, different portions of the response, and this is a frivolous lawsuit.

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301.294 - 307.799 Kate Leinbaugh

And like sort of stepping back, in media generally, what is best practice when it comes to this kind of editing?

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308.619 - 332.395 Jessica Tunkel

I think the best practice is to make sure that whatever the promotion is, is in line with what the answer was on the interview. I want to clarify that 60 minutes is unusual in that it is like an hour's worth of footage that they like cut down to 21 minutes. So there is an expectation there's going to be a lot of editing of that interview.

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332.835 - 351.23 Jessica Tunkel

But sources have told me that since this happened, they are going to be more rigid about making sure that it's exactly the same language that's used in promotions. And I would say that this is a tricky area in media, editing politicians. Yes, this is a complete minefield.

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351.29 - 362.316 Jessica Tunkel

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't, you know, because they do so much editing to get a longer interview down to just around 20 minutes. It's tricky.

366.618 - 394.109 Kate Leinbaugh

After Trump won the election, several companies that he sued announced settlements. In December, ABC said it would pay Trump $15 million to settle a defamation lawsuit. The case involved an inaccurate statement by anchor George Stephanopoulos about a sexual abuse case against Trump. In January, Meta settled a case over Trump's suspension on Instagram and Facebook, paying him $25 million.

395.049 - 398.051 Kate Leinbaugh

X also settled a similar case for $10 million.

398.979 - 417.774 Jessica Tunkel

So since then, it felt like CBS was not publicly as vehement in its outrage over the lawsuit. And they've been going back and forth in court. Trump recently, a few weeks ago, amended his complaint to increase the amount to $20 billion.

417.794 - 428.162 Kate Leinbaugh

$20 billion? Yes. What have legal experts said are the chances that Trump's lawsuit would succeed in court?

Chapter 4: How could the lawsuit affect the Paramount-Skydance merger?

429.275 - 458.401 Jessica Tunkel

So it kind of depends who you talk to. I will say that First Amendment attorneys say this is completely frivolous and ridiculous and that has no standing. I mean, you know, when I talk to sources close to Paramount, I think the concern is even if they were to win this ultimately, it could mean years in court battling the president of the United States. Could be hundreds of millions of dollars.

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459.383 - 461.286 Jessica Tunkel

And what would it mean for CBS News then?

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462.688 - 468.939 Kate Leinbaugh

And if they choose to settle, what do legal experts say that would show?

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470.009 - 501.326 Jessica Tunkel

I think if they choose to settle, the concern is that all news outlets are sort of at the whims of the president of the United States. And if he feels like what is being said is unfair or not accurate, regardless of whether it is or not, they could risk litigation. So it does feel like we are entering this era of media versus the president.

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503.608 - 506.85 Kate Leinbaugh

But in the case of CBS, there's this other layer.

507.991 - 510.612 Jessica Tunkel

In the case of CBS, they have to get this merger done.

511.773 - 530.969 Kate Leinbaugh

This merger. CBS parent company Paramount is trying to get an $8 billion merger completed. But first, it needs approval from the Federal Communications Commission, which is now run by a Trump appointee. That's after the break.

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Chapter 5: What are the potential outcomes if CBS settles with Trump?

573.313 - 594.711 Kate Leinbaugh

Paramount is a huge media conglomerate. It not only owns CBS, it also owns Showtime, Paramount Pictures, and its own streaming platform. And the company has been struggling for years. Long before the Harris interview aired, Paramount's owners had started merger talks with a production company called Skydance.

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596.963 - 618.301 Jessica Tunkel

The controlling shareholder, Sherry Redstone, did not want to sell. She had a lot of belief that the company could turn around until finally in comes David Ellison, who runs his own production company, which is much smaller than Paramount, by the way. But his father is Larry Ellison, who's a billionaire. He has this vision of taking tech and

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618.973 - 623.657 Jessica Tunkel

you know, making Paramount a new media company, and he has billions of dollars to back it up.

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624.398 - 632.826 Kate Leinbaugh

David Ellison and Skydance seemed like a perfect suitor for Paramount and Sherry Redstone. But talks dragged on for more than a year.

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633.787 - 652.534 Jessica Tunkel

And there were ups and there were downs. You know, the deal was canceled, then it was back on, then it was off, then it was on, and then you had other suitors coming in and saying they wanted to buy Paramount. I mean, it was very dramatic. You really didn't know until the very end if this deal was actually going to be announced.

656.135 - 663.857 Kate Leinbaugh

The deal was announced last summer, but to be finalized, it needed government approval, specifically the FCC.

665.16 - 675.79 Jessica Tunkel

All my sources were telling me this is just going to fly through. Like the election will happen and it will fly through because people at that point were thinking Trump was going to win and that the deal would happen.

675.81 - 680.414 Kate Leinbaugh

That is not what happened. What's holding up the deal at this moment?

681.144 - 711.66 Jessica Tunkel

So that is not what has happened. And what's holding up the deal primarily is this concern around bias at CBS News. So the FCC has first said, we want to see the transcript of the interview with Kamala Harris. We want to see the raw footage and we want to review all of that. The FCC also reopened a third-party complaint against CBS News about bias, which the Biden administration had tossed out.

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