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1088: Counterfeit Foods | Skeptical Sunday

Sun, 08 Dec 2024

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From horse meat to wooden cheese, Jessica Wynn exposes the counterfeit foods that the "agromafia" criminally sneaks onto our plates this Skeptical Sunday! On This Week's Skeptical Sunday: Food counterfeiting is a massive global criminal enterprise, with the "Agromafia" alone being a $16 billion-per-year industry. Criminal organizations have infiltrated every level of the food supply chain, from farming to distribution, making food fraud more profitable and less risky than traditional criminal activities. Many everyday foods are frequently counterfeited, including olive oil, honey, coffee, seafood, and spices. For example, studies found that 100% of sushi restaurants tested in New York City carried mislabeled fish, and many "extra virgin" olive oils fail authenticity tests. Food fraud isn't just about economic deception — it can pose serious health risks. Examples include melamine-tainted milk that sickened thousands of infants, nitrate-injected tuna causing food poisoning, and allergen concerns from undisclosed ingredients in counterfeit products. The global nature of our food supply chain makes regulation and enforcement extremely challenging. Products often cross multiple borders, making it difficult to track origins and enforce standards, while sophisticated criminal networks stay ahead of detection methods. Consumers can protect themselves by making informed choices: buying whole foods instead of processed ones (like whole coffee beans vs. ground coffee), purchasing from reputable suppliers, checking labels carefully, and when possible, buying directly from local producers. These simple steps can significantly reduce exposure to counterfeit foods while supporting legitimate producers. Connect with Jordan on Bluesky, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on Skeptical Sunday, drop Jordan a line at [email protected] and let him know!  Connect with Jessica Wynn at Instagram and Threads, and subscribe to her newsletter: Between the Lines! Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1088 And if you're still game to support us, please leave a review here — even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally! This Episode Is Brought To You By Our Fine Sponsors: jordanharbinger.com/deals Sign up for Six-Minute Networking — our free networking and relationship...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

100.403 - 106.725 Jordan Harbinger

These criminals are not exactly Michelin star material. Joining me to take a bite out of food crime is writer and researcher Jessica Wynn.

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106.745 - 112.288 Jessica Wynn

Hey, Jordan. Can you believe counterfeiting food is a massive, multibillion-dollar industry?

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112.788 - 120.211 Jordan Harbinger

I am a little skeptical about this Skeptical Sunday. As a man who goes out to eat a lot, we might be actually asking questions I don't really want the answers to.

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121.004 - 140.111 Jessica Wynn

That's the lawyer in you, but it won't make you feel better that everything we eat is susceptible to being counterfeited. So from basic staples like milk and bread to high-end products like truffles and aged bourbon, counterfeit foods are everywhere. Essentially, if you eat food, you're being lied to.

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Chapter 2: How big is the counterfeit food industry?

140.472 - 146.614 Jordan Harbinger

And lying to yourself, I guess. I like to think that I pay enough attention that I'm not getting scammed by my food, but I don't know. Here we go.

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147.15 - 151.269 Jessica Wynn

But you are. So am I. And so is everyone listening.

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151.716 - 159.499 Jordan Harbinger

If your favorite cheese turns out to be a plastic imitation and your wine is a cheap knockoff, what's the real risk here? Beyond disappointment, of course.

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160.439 - 184.308 Jessica Wynn

Counterfeit food is a deliberate deception that can have no effect on us or enormous consequences. So it's really subjective. They can involve mislabeled ingredients. They can be outright fraudulent products, imitating brands or types of food, and in some cases pose serious health risks. Counterfeit food is like those fake Rolexes, but for your taste buds.

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184.609 - 188.671 Jordan Harbinger

When I was in high school, I bought a bag of pot that turned out to be straight up oregano.

188.951 - 199.138 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, I have news for you. Even that oregano is often counterfeited. But yeah, that was rough. Before it was legal, pot smokers inhaled a lot worse than oregano, I bet.

199.338 - 205.102 Jordan Harbinger

Yeah, it was definitely not the high I was looking for. I smelled great, though. My friend smelled great, though.

205.362 - 213.905 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, when I was in college, let's just say my friend purchased what was most likely a bag of white paint chips and it burned.

Chapter 3: What are the health risks of counterfeit foods?

213.925 - 220.468 Jordan Harbinger

Yeah, so did the oregano, from what I heard. Man, the trials of experimental youth and prohibition.

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221.19 - 237.575 Jessica Wynn

But it's a really good analogy for counterfeit foods. We're expecting something real. We pay for that authenticity. But if our senses don't catch the fraud, like the burning sensation from that oregano, we might never know. And someone is pocketing a few extra bucks.

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237.896 - 242.317 Jordan Harbinger

Absolutely. So how did we end up in this mess where our food is so easily manipulated?

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242.901 - 264.786 Jessica Wynn

It's all about our global food supply chain. It's enormous and opaque, which makes it a playground for fraudsters. They can operate in this vast market without much chance of detection. Plus, high value products are prime targets for counterfeiting. And the higher the value of the product, the more tempting it is for fraudsters to get involved.

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264.986 - 278.345 Jordan Harbinger

Okay, so basically the bigger the market and the more valuable the product is, the more likely it is to be faked. It's unsettling to think that so much of our food might be compromised by greed, but hashtag capitalism, I suppose. So who's involved in this dark trade?

Chapter 4: Who is behind food counterfeiting?

279.252 - 300.218 Jessica Wynn

It's a range of players. If you can exploit gaps in food regulations and oversight, then you can manipulate the food market to your advantage at any scale. So we're talking everyone from individual criminals like your friend's oregano dealer to large corporations, organized crime groups, and even entire mafia networks.

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300.518 - 311.733 Jordan Harbinger

OK, you got my attention. Mafia networks. Now it's getting interesting. How did the mafia even get their hands into our food? I thought they were kind of in the drug trafficking business or something a little more serious sounding.

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311.813 - 331.048 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, it's actually a thing called agro mafia and it's a 16 billion dollar year industry. So food and agriculture are ripe for mafia infiltration because those sectors are less technologically advanced and often involve small-scale competition, which makes them vulnerable.

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331.736 - 337.618 Jordan Harbinger

Agro-mafia. Sounds like something out of Goodfellas. I never thought that pasta and racketeering were a combination.

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338.078 - 355.404 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, I mean, a lot of those scenes were in a restaurant, right? Like, the mafia has infiltrated the entire food chain from farms to restaurants. They buy up the cheap farmland, livestock, markets, and even restaurants, laundering money through what's become a leading industry in Italy.

355.764 - 358.045 Jordan Harbinger

So this starts at the farms and goes all the way to the plates.

Chapter 5: How does the mafia get involved in food fraud?

358.425 - 376.517 Jessica Wynn

Exactly. The agromafia's reach extends from production to packaging, transport, and distribution. So the value of this criminal enterprise has almost doubled in recent years, from $12.5 billion being reported in 2011 to over $22 billion by 2018. And it now represents about 15% of total mafia turnover.

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385.262 - 396.166 Jordan Harbinger

So this is so bizarre. So let me get this straight. While we're enjoying our Chianti or olive oil, the mafia, the actual real life Italian mafias, they're just raking in profits from the very food that we are eating.

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396.547 - 417.135 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, that's right. It's a highly profitable venture with profit margins as high as 2000 percent. So compared to drug running or robberies, what we think of as the mafia, this is way less dangerous and it's more lucrative. So the mafia's involvement is all about exploiting vulnerabilities.

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417.716 - 432.223 Jessica Wynn

Drugs and food, they ship well together and restaurants provide a perfect front for laundering money and conducting criminal business. So our food is deeply entwined with crime, but it's easy to overlook when we're just hungry.

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432.424 - 436.686 Jordan Harbinger

Is it that widespread? This isn't just a bunch of shady characters sneaking into farmers markets.

437.014 - 453.505 Jessica Wynn

It's actually worse than you might think. Mafia syndicates have turned food fraud into a massive profitable enterprise. And according to the Observatory of Crime in Agriculture and the Food Chain, that's a real Italian commission battling food crime.

453.525 - 454.786 Jordan Harbinger

That's ridiculous, but OK.

456.048 - 461.849 Jessica Wynn

It probably sounds nicer in Italian. The mafia has infiltrated the entire food supply chain.

462.049 - 466.81 Jordan Harbinger

OK, I'm going to sound like a jerk, but it sounds like an Italian problem that they have to just deal with.

Chapter 6: What specific foods are commonly counterfeited?

553.416 - 564.465 Jordan Harbinger

So it's not this is so weird. It's not some Scorsese movie plot. It's happening right now, possibly even in California. Is it just specific crops or is it products like olives and grapes? Because those are the ones I've heard about.

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564.665 - 596.855 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, olive oil fraud is rampant. That's where it all begins. And many consumers have lost their virginity, figuratively speaking, when it comes to genuine Italian olive oil. Cheap oils are blended with a splash of real extra virgin olive oil, and then a high-end label is slapped on the bottle. So this is being battled constantly. Take Operation Yellow Gold, for example. Yeah, yeah, perfect.

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597.856 - 616.894 Jessica Wynn

In Puglia, traffickers were caught producing counterfeit olive oil. They were using rapeseed oil and selling it as extra virgin. The operation was so advanced, it infiltrated international markets, including restaurants in Switzerland and Germany. And they made millions of dollars off the scams.

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616.954 - 630.704 Jordan Harbinger

A million. So this is like a heist movie, but way more boring because it's olive oil. It's a real bummer for anybody trying to buy genuine Italian olive oil. And you see that it is expensive. How do we tell if we're even getting the real deal? I don't know how to test olive oil.

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631.198 - 659.757 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, unfortunately, it's tough. Most olive oil that claims to be quote-unquote from Italy, it could have been imported to Italy, re-exported, and then imported back. So there's ways to get around these weird labeling laws, and it's just nearly impossible to tell without testing. So the best you can do is visit the Italian countryside and stock up directly if you're up for being...

660.297 - 663.28 Jessica Wynn

The olive oil connoisseur weirdo with a cellar.

663.52 - 672.767 Jordan Harbinger

Yeah, it sounds like a good excuse for a trip to Italy. But what about other products? I'm guessing it's not just olive oil that's being counterfeited because it seems like such easy money. Surely there's other vectors. Yeah.

673.108 - 682.295 Jessica Wynn

I mean, olive oil is a big issue. The mafia's influence definitely spans beyond that, though. So there's a big counterfeit cheese market.

683.72 - 694.845 Jordan Harbinger

Why is that? You know what? It sounds like an episode of Paw Patrol. That's why it's funny. I've heard you can think you're getting a fine cheese, but it's like plastic or cornstarch or whatever mixed in there. Is that true?

Chapter 7: How can consumers identify counterfeit products?

733.836 - 740.778 Jordan Harbinger

OK, so wood chips in my cheese. That's like saying this burger is 100 percent beef and finding out it's a beef flavored tree branch.

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741.576 - 771.415 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, it was a real eye-opener. Yeah, it's disgusting. So for years, though, consumers were being duped by these domestic imitations of Italy's famous Parmesan. And instead of the real deal, which only has salt, rennet, and pure hormone-free milk from cows fed a natural diet, many of these Parmesan products were using lower-quality milk, additives, and sometimes, Jordan, up to 20%. Wood.

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771.695 - 789.285 Jordan Harbinger

Oh, there's a joke in there somewhere. I got to add that to my Tinder profile. So consumers were basically getting sawdust with their spaghetti. To be fair, the brand we're probably talking about, that stuff does look like sawdust. If we already know about this fraud, why is it still going on? You'd think that somebody would put a stop to wood in my cheese.

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789.665 - 814.593 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, it's the mafia. And their operations are incredibly sophisticated. So the fraudsters use advanced methods to avoid detection. And there's just a need for better international cooperation. So countries have to work together and share information to tackle this effectively. But there's just so many products to track. There's honey, maple syrup, cinnamon, wine.

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814.613 - 817.494 Jessica Wynn

They're all really frequently counterfeited.

817.734 - 829.161 Jordan Harbinger

I've got all those in my kitchen, just like everyone listening to this right now. Honey, maple syrup, cinnamon, wine. And yes, I've heard about wine fraud. We actually did an episode on that. I kind of want to do more because that is a huge and deep topic.

829.181 - 853.896 Jessica Wynn

I mean, yeah, it's never ending. Wine fraud's a multi-billion dollar industry. And experts say that around 5% of wines sold are fake, which is a lot considering how much How much wine we drink. And often it involves passing off just average wine as a prestigious label or selling lesser vintages as high end ones to fetch high prices.

854.096 - 865.523 Jordan Harbinger

Yeah, this seems almost inevitable, especially when all these blind taste tests, they show that even all you see those where the experts are like, oh, this is so great. And it's always the cheap stuff and they can't tell. They really can't tell the difference. It's all nonsense.

865.743 - 889.03 Jessica Wynn

Yeah, and neither can we, because I'm sure that we've probably celebrated something with a bogus wine, but we still got the requisite buzz. So unless you're a serious wine collector and you're stocking your cellar with, like, back vintage Chateau Lafitte, this isn't likely to be a problem you actually care about. We get ripped off on a $15 glass of wine, whatever.

Chapter 8: What measures are in place to combat food fraud?

892.211 - 897.153 Jordan Harbinger

So if you are a collector, maybe make sure you know how many teas are in Lafitte.

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898.074 - 912.441 Jessica Wynn

Right. Stuff like that gets missed by average consumers. And it's just so easy to be fooled, especially with how accessible just fake labels are these days. And it's not just wine. Counterfeit alcohol in general is a huge problem.

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912.701 - 914.882 Jordan Harbinger

I'm sure I've bought some watered down drinks in my day.

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915.805 - 938.142 Jessica Wynn

Right. But this problem goes like way beyond a disappointing cocktail. The bourbon community is especially up in arms and it's a competitive world with thousands of people vying for just a few barrels. So there's even a push for like anti-tampering measures to combat bourbon counterfeiting. But the sad truth is the counterfeits are out there.

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938.362 - 944.326 Jessica Wynn

And if the bottle is sealed and it looks legit, consumers are not satisfied.

944.406 - 966.68 Jordan Harbinger

going to notice probably so it's like counterfeit art or wine if nobody's the wiser counterfeiters just laugh all the way to the bank and they might just never get caught because who's even pulling the alarm on this yeah i mean absolutely and the consumer too if they don't know and if they get enjoyment and i mean when these high-end luxury collectors of fine foods and libations get scammed i know i'm an a-hole but it's a little hard to have empathy sometimes

967.384 - 993.166 Jessica Wynn

I guess it's subjective. There's a famous story where four Wall Street, I imagine, douchey businessmen were served an $18 bottle of wine when they had ordered a $2,000 bottle of wine. And like a young couple at the table near them got the $2,000 bottle. So it was switched. And the young couple was just like, yeah, our wine's OK. And the businessmen were raving about how great their wine was.

993.746 - 1008.616 Jessica Wynn

And it's just a classic case of tasting with our wallets. I mean, it was an embarrassing accident, of course, but it speaks to your point about empathy. If those businessmen had ordered that bottle from eBay as collectors, would you feel more bad for them?

1009.016 - 1012.179 Jordan Harbinger

Okay, first of all, people are buying wine on eBay. I guess that makes sense.

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