The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
521. Reform, R*pe Gangs and the Rot of the UK | Matthew Goodwin
Thu, 13 Feb 2025
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author, ex-professor, and public advocate, Matthew Goodwin. They discuss the systemic rot of the academic institutions, how the West has been subjugated by long-term mass radicalization, why the elites rally behind far-left progressivism, the grotesque extent of UK r*pe gang scandal, and (if not obvious) exactly why we won’t be quiet about it regardless of what Keir Starmer would prefer.Matt Goodwin is a disillusioned university professor who stepped away from a tenured position last year to get more involved in politics and the public debate. He has the largest Substack in the UK, presents the TV Show State of the Nation on GB News, is the author of six books, including two national bestsellers, and has many followers on social media in the UK and across Europe.This episode was filmed on February 6th, 2025. | Links |For Matthew GoodwinOn X https://x.com/GoodwinMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EauthorSubstack https://www.mattgoodwin.org/
Chapter 1: What is the elite class imposing on society?
What we've been living through is an elite class imposing policies on everybody else, the consequences of which they are not going to have to endure.
A trillion dollar cost net zero plan was passed through Westminster with 20 minutes of debate.
Mass uncontrolled immigration has fundamentally weakened Great Britain. Boris Johnson did the opposite of what he promised voters he would do.
You want to just describe what you see as the reality of the rape gang situation in the UK?
Everyone around the world has heard of George Floyd. Nobody's heard those names. These are girls who were murdered when they were 12, 13, 14 years of age. Not a single police officer, social worker, council official, member of parliament has had any serious consequences for turning a blind eye to this.
Thank you.
Hello, everybody. I was pleased to sit down today with Dr. Matthew Goodwin. Dr. Goodwin was a professor of political science in the UK, but he's turned his attention in recent years to developing a more public presence on the political front.
He didn't really believe that it was appropriate for him to be engaging in political action as a professor, but he also got, let's say, sick and tired of working for the increasingly woke university. And
So we started our conversation with a discussion of the pathologies of modern academia and tried to analyze exactly why the institutions had become so hidebound and ideologically rigid and punitive, and also investigated whether there was anything that might be done about that apart from, say, making new institutions. I can't say we came to a particularly optimistic conclusion.
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Chapter 2: What is the significance of the UK rape gang scandal?
And then, well, and then things got worse. The DEI people moved in, and the administration ballooned out of control, and... university tuition prices continued to expand in expense, and the research boards, which I always had trouble with all the way back to the 1980s, they became impossible to deal with, so that while I had ramped up my ability to do research
I would say I probably improved my speed at doing research by a factor of 50 given computational technology. I was doing research more and more slowly because it took forever to get through the research ethics boards, which had nothing to do with research ethics as far as I was concerned. And then there was the overwhelming tilt to the radical left. Okay, so that's my spiel.
it became unmotivating to continue. So tell me what your experience was as a professor, as a lecturer and a researcher.
Well, I think in many ways, Jordan, our stories are somewhat similar within higher education. If you look at the UK, the stat that I always remind people is back in the 1960s, for every one conservative academic, there were three academics on the left. Today, for every one conservative, classical, liberal academic, there are 10 academics on the left today.
If you look at the rigorous surveys of how faculty has changed over the last half century or so. And so within that, what you've seen
You know, as I'm sure many people in North America will also relate to, you've seen the rapid expansion of the university bureaucracy, the politicization of the university bureaucracy, which for an academic like me found its expression in having to do things like mandatory diversity statements.
whereby every time I went for a research grant, every time I went for a job, I had to swear allegiance, essentially, to the diversity, equity, and inclusion agenda. I had to decolonize my university reading list. But more than that, Jordan, to be frank,
I was sick and tired of watching many of my colleagues, good people, Kathleen Stock, Noah Karl, Eric Kaufman, among others, being harassed, bullied, intimidated, and chased off campus because they were saying entirely legitimate, reasonable things that happened to violate this orthodoxy on campus. And I felt sorry for my students. I felt sorry for their parents who were paying for this education.
And it was particularly for me, actually. It was the experience of going through the Brexit referendum, okay? I mean, just to paint a brief picture, prior to 2016, with the votes for Brexit and Trump, I was, by all metrics, a very successful academic. I was one of the youngest professors ever. in the UK. I had no problem getting research grants.
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Chapter 3: Why did Matthew Goodwin leave academia?
What do you think of Nigel Farage and what he's doing? And how would you distinguish reform from the... whatever the conservatives are now, the net zero conservatives, let's say,
The Liberal Conservatives, I think probably many people in Britain would call them, or the Uniparty, they're indistinguishable from the Labour Party. Look, I think many people in Britain know, I mean, I'm friends with Nigel Farage. I've known him for 15 years. I'm very sympathetic to what he's trying to do. I speak at Reform Party rallies and conferences.
And, you know, I have a close association with the party because I believe fundamentally, political movement that we have that is capable of bringing about the kind of change this country needs to see if it is to be saved. And by that, I mean ending mass uncontrolled, low-skill, low-wage migration from outside of Europe.
I mean, fixing our borders by leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, by reforming the laws that Tony Blair brought in, including the Human Rights Act, by dramatically reducing the 15.3 billion pounds that we spend in foreign aid every year and making sure that our public services work for British people before we send money to China, India and elsewhere.
I mean, pushing back against the net zero policy uh project and i mean investing in non-london areas in places outside of the capital in plate and investing in people outside of the elite minority now i have come to the view the tories the conservative party are completely incapable of doing those things they they are the architects of the mess that we see around us today they are the architects
of our national decline, and the Labour Party is part of that. I do not view reform as merely a new Conservative Party. That would be selling it short.
I view reform as a none-of-the-above party, neither left nor right, as a party that could just as easily win over the working class in Northern England and Wales, in the industrial heartlands, as it could win over disillusioned Conservatives in the Tory shies. Look, Jordan, I'll be honest with you. I don't think... Nigel Farage has all the answers.
And I don't think the reform movement is the perfect movement. But what I think is that Britain is, for the first time really in generations, is ideally positioned for a full-blown political realignment. And I think Nigel Farage and reform are the vehicle that can be used to bring that about.
Okay, so let me compare and contrast your Reform Party agenda, let's say, with the agenda that we've put forward, perhaps more on the philosophical side, with this Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. We have a conference coming up in London, February 17th to 19th. We'll have about 4,000 people there. I think that what we're aiming at has...
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