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Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. All right, good to see you, sir. Great to be with you, Joe. It's a perfect time to bring you on because things are getting very wild.
Yeah, there is a lot of misinformation. You know, some people said I invented three-eye atlas, this object, in order to distract attention from the Epstein files. Is that what people are saying? Yeah, and I said, look, this object is the size of Manhattan Island. It's at four and a half times the Earth-Sun separation.
If I was able to put it out there, you know, I would be more powerful than the Pope. Right. And because we're talking about a giant object that you can see from any place on Earth. You know, you can buy online a telescope that will allow you half a meter in size that will allow you to see it. It's out there. It cannot be faked. Well, those people are fools.
You can't listen to those people. I don't listen to those. I don't listen to many people, you know. Initially, a lot of people were dismissing your concerns and they were saying that this object is nothing but a comet and it's very normal. But then as it got closer and as we got more data, it seems like you're correct.
This is a very unusual object. There is something really important to recognize here that usually when you deal with scientific matters, They have very little impact on the future of humanity. Very little. If the neutrino has a little bit of a mass, it doesn't really matter. When we discovered the Higgs boson, the biggest impact was to confirm some idea we had back in the 60s.
Obviously, that affected those people who got the Nobel Prize. Most of us continued as if nothing happened. However, here, if we ever encounter alien technology, everything will change. It will affect the financial markets. It will affect politics in a major way. So my point is simple. This is different than other scientific matters. And the intelligence agencies know very well.
that events with very small probability have to be considered seriously because they could have major implications. Just think about October 7th. The Israeli intelligence agencies had a theory that the Hamas will do nothing. And they got data that indicated something is going on out there, but they dismissed it because of their theory.
Now, because as a result of their mistake, which was clearly a blunder, a lot of people died on both sides. that this could have been avoided if they were to consider a black swan event, an event that you put a small probability for it happening, but you look at anomalies in the data and say, look, the implications are so huge, we have to consider it.
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