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Chapter 1: What is the main business myth that needs to die?
What's going on everyone? Welcome back to our, I think six months ago, might've been the last time I did one of these, but it is a thirsty Thursday, a thirst trap Thursday, if you will. If the thirst trap is obviously my dashing good looks, but more importantly, A business concept that I feel needs talking to.
And I think that I can make this relevant for just about every business owner watching this. So we have these, you know, in our advisory practice, we just started last year. We invite some business owners out every so often to come out, kind of talk about their business and then help them, you know, solve problems and get, you know, grow, hopefully.
Now, I've had the same problem come up again and again and again that I felt the need to make this for you. Which is, if I hear... My business isn't scalable. Or shouldn't I switch my business to something that's more scalable? Again, I might gouge my own eyes out. But the reason that I'm so annoyed by it is that basically every business has limits to scalability.
Chapter 2: Why do business owners think their businesses aren't scalable?
And there are different problems that occur at different times. Now, I want to talk about this within two different contexts. One is industry context. And the second is more on like the demand and supply side. But I'm going to break this down in a lot of different ways.
So right off the bat, if you have a service business, for example, you hire humans to do things for other humans, then that is a business that's very easy to start, can be very profitable, and then over time can become a little bit more difficult. Not impossible, just more difficult.
to scale quickly because maintaining quality of service when you have other humans doing things and you're bringing them in and they don't know anything and you have to train them becomes more challenging.
If we had kind of like the middle of the path there, you've got like an e-commerce business, which you can start relatively quickly, but as you scale up, you can scale up quickly, but some of the issues become supply chain and logistical problems, right? So I'd say that's kind of like in the middle, right? It's a little bit slower to start. It costs a little bit more money to start.
Chapter 3: How do different business models impact scalability?
It does scale faster than traditional service does, but you're still going to run into some problems. Now, all the way on the kind of extreme side, you've got the software digital type businesses. Now, these businesses are typically, when I say digital, I mean SaaS software, not digital products like e-books and courses, things like that.
These businesses cost the most amount of time to start, the most amount of money to start. But once you achieve scale, they become significantly easier relative to the others. And so I get this question of like, I don't think my business is that scalable all the time, when in reality, it's just harder to scale.
And so the thing is, is that switching from one service business to another service business in terms of overall category is not likely to dramatically change your growth trajectory at all. You're still likely going to be constrained by humans, which most businesses are. I'm going to say this again. 78% of businesses in the United States are service-based businesses. This is reality.
Chapter 4: What are the challenges of scaling service-based businesses?
And the reason that this is so annoying to me is that people will come and want to break their businesses. They won't want to abandon their businesses because they think that the woman in the red dress, they think this other new thing somehow doesn't have the same characteristics of a people-based business. Now, within that category, let's say we have a service business.
You can have demand-constrained service businesses and supply-constrained service businesses. Each business has problems. And the crazy part is that the problems are actually kind of similar. So let me explain. So if you have a demand-constrained service business, so you have a brick-and-mortar fitness business, you're going to be demand-constrained.
As in, it's going to be harder to find people who want to work out than it is to find people who want to teach people to work out. Finding trainers and fitness enthusiasts, not that hard. Finding people who actually want to come in the gym and get excited and sign up for a service package or something like that, much more difficult.
On the flip side, if you have an accounting firm, getting people to do their accounting, everyone kind of has to do their accounting, but getting competent and high quality accountants becomes the issue. Now, how do you solve each of those problems? You promote. fundamentally, you promote. You promote to get new customers. You promote to get new accountants. It's the same problem.
You just have it on the back end of the business or the front end of the business. And some businesses alternate between whether supply or demand constrained if you kind of grow at the same rate. So you alternate back and forth. But fundamentally, and this is why I think this is so important, you're going to struggle in one way or the other.
And the way that you will solve it in either of the situations is going to be through promotion of some sort. And so the reason that I bring this up is that said differently, my business isn't scalable means it's hard. And I want it to be easy. And can you just tell me that it's going to be easy? And it's not. And so difficulty is a feature, not a bug, of scaling a business.
It is something that comes with scaling a business. And the reason I think this is so important is that there are periods of time, and sometimes those periods are not weeks, but they are quarters, many quarters in a row, where you have to sit with a problem. As in, you see the fire, and it's in your living room, and you have to just let it burn. So let me explain what I mean by this.
There will be problems that occur in the business. Let's say that you're, you're supply constraint and you need to bring new people in. Okay. So once you decide, okay, I can't handle more customers because I have to hire more accounts. I have to hire more HVAC people. I have to hire more technicians at my auto shop, whatever it is.
As soon as you make that decision, you see that clearly you start the promotional cycle. So you start kicking off ads, you start doing some outreach, you start hitting up your network, and then you start some interviews, start some screening. And then maybe you find one or two people and then you interview them and then maybe you give them a job offer.
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Chapter 5: How can businesses handle supply and demand constraints?
And then once you give them a job offer, you have to get them trained up and be proficient. And you might lose some of them because they're not as good as you thought they were. And other ones are good, but it still takes three or six months for them to scale up. And so all of a sudden, remember this, what the feeling is going to be like.
You decided and you realized that you were supply constrained. You went out and you did something about it. Good for you. But once you start going out and doing something about it, what happens? Nothing. The business is still constrained. And so you just suffer day in and day out while you try and solve this problem. And here's the nasty part.
Let's say that six months from now, but remember, six months is 180 days of every day you wake up and you're like, I have this problem. I should do something about it. And then you have to remind yourself, I am doing something about it. But the thing is, is that your team is still going to be struggling. They're still going to be complaining. You might still be complaining.
And the thing is, is your brain, your monkey brain is going to be like, we should do something about this. But you are doing something about it. It's just that the thing you're doing about it isn't going to solve it today. And the likelihood is that... And this is where it gets nasty. This is where the real problems happen. This is why this is such an important video.
During that waiting period is when the vast majority of entrepreneurs fuck with shit. So they change their model. They change their price. They try and change... They're like, you know, what... Well, what if we change our deliverable to... you know, it's, it's 20 people per account instead of 10 or five.
And that way we get, you know, we can keep selling, but then all of a sudden your service delivery drops and your churn goes up. And now you have a structural issue within the business. Whereas when you had to business that you had before this without changing it, you had good margins and good revenue retention, meaning like you kept making money and people kept paying good.
And so you take something that's really good. And because you have a constraint on the system, you break the business and While you're waiting for your solution that you already started on to kick in. This is the tangible of pain tolerance. So a lot of people like to think about like the rocky cutscene and things like that. Like, oh, I'm in business. It's the grind.
The grind is oftentimes realizing there's a problem, beginning to try and solve it, and then having to live with that problem for not weeks or months, but quarters and sometimes years. And so the reason I'm bringing this up is that then the next thing that you start thinking is, well, you know what? Maybe I'll outsource this problem to somebody else. I'm going to delegate this away.
Sam Altman had this really good bit that I saw on Instagram the other day. He's the founder of OpenAI if you don't know who he is. And he said, You can't delegate the execution because the idea and even the product or service oftentimes, though exciting, is not the hard part. That's like the 10% of the business. I mean, it's fun. You have lots of iterations, lots of changing.
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Chapter 6: Why is patience important when scaling a business?
But then once you have it and people are buying it and they like it and you make money at the end of the month, the 90% of everything else is the actual execution. It's the doing this. And then doing this is the part where you have unrelenting problems that either you are actively solving and have not seen the fruits of your labor, or you're just solving the micro problems that happen every day.
And all the while, you have to resist the urge to break the thing that actually works that you spent all of this other time getting all these iterations, getting punched in the face to find the thing that actually worked.
And the likelihood that when you change the thing that actually works to something that's not that thing and that that other thing is going to work better than the first thing is low. And that's the crazy part. Think about this from a hypothetical perspective. If I have a building, right, I've got bricks all along each of the walls to create the building, right?
There are unlimited places that those bricks could be in the physical world. They could be in China. You know, like I'm saying, like if I had a thousand bricks, brick number 999 could be in its exact place where it needs to be for the building. Or it could be in unlimited other places. But only in one of those locations is it serving the purpose of keeping the building upright.
And so oftentimes when we move bricks, what we're doing is the likelihood that the move that we have is going to take that brick from something that already works in the building to improving the strength of the building versus just being a Jenga block that we remove, we put on the side, we just put it across the street.
And then we think that it's going to improve the building when in fact, the likelihood that when we change something that works, that it works better is usually significantly lower. I want to dovetail into kind of a third bigger idea here, which is features and bugs. And I referenced it a little bit earlier, but I want to hit on it really hard.
And to use the words of my late great CFO, Suzanne, she said, all businesses have shit. All businesses have features.
and bugs but i think one of the big mistakes is that founders believe that the feature is a bug when it really isn't and so if you have let's say a service business then you're going to be like man it's hard to find good people i should change my business model well people's the business That's a feature. That's something that comes standard with the business. You're never going to eliminate it.
It's going to be part of it. If you were like, man, I am a software company, then guess what the problem that you're going to have is? Finding good software developers. They're really hard to find and they're really expensive. And so you're going to still have to manage those people. Now, of course, there are problems in business that you can solve.
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Chapter 7: What mistakes do entrepreneurs make while scaling?
Right now, we're already working on it. Well, why isn't it done yet? It's in progress. What, what? It's in progress. Well, shouldn't we do this in the meantime? No. We're just going to continue. We're going to endure. We're going to persist. We're going to deal. And I think that season is the part that is the hard part.
And the thing is, is that season is literally never ending because once you find your mechanics, you find your accountants, you find the software developers who are going to help you with your business, whatever it is, right? As soon as you find those people, guess what happens? Something else will break. And you'll have some things that are fast fixes and you'll fix those fast.
But some fixes are slow fixes. And the slow fixes are the one that are going to be the vast majority of your business career because the fast fixes are only there for a small period of time because you deal with the pain, you see the solution, and you solve it. Done. Over. But then as soon as you go fast, fast, fast, slow, then you just got to stick with that slow one until it's solved.
This is what makes it hard. And it's not that your business isn't scalable. It's that you want scaling to be easier. And that's the issue. Your business isn't broken. You don't need to change the business. You need to deal with the fact that solutions take time. And that this might just be a feature of the business you're in.
Now, part of you might think, well, if this is a feature of the business that I'm in, I don't want to have this business. I don't want to have this business. Okay. Well, let's walk through that. So hypothetically, if you were very good at solving that problem, would that be a problem that you'd be more okay with dealing with? Maybe.
And if you're considering an alternative path, you should also consider the alternative problems, right? You're like, well, I want to do something else. Okay, tell me all the things that suck about that path, because I promise there are things that suck about that path. And then the follow-up question to that is, are you better equipped to solve those problems?
Now, in the hypothetical world, you always think you're better equipped to solve those problems. But oftentimes, you've never even solved them before. And maybe the problems you think that are there are not actually the real problems. The real problems are much deeper and more nefarious than the ones you're currently dealing with.
And so I think that there's something so deep about the saying, the devil you know, right? It's like the business is the devil you know. And you may be even doing this for a year or two years or five years or 10 years, however long you've been in your industry, 20 years. The thing is, is the longer you've been in industry, the more you've mapped the system, right? You've mapped the terrain.
You understand the good and you understand the bad and you understand what to do about the bad. And so fundamentally, problems will not end. And I think this is like, it's almost like a human problem that exists with entrepreneurs is that they want problems to stop and they will never stop. They will never stop. You're wishing for something that does not exist.
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Chapter 8: How can understanding features and bugs help in business?
Well, you know what? Now that I've got all these accountants, I've got all these guys with empty calendars. I have so much more capacity. I'm overpaying in payroll because I got all these guys, but I need to get more customers. And so what do you do? You start marketing more, but now the customers are coming because you're trying to fill slots. You're lowering your bar.
You're taking worse quality customers. Now your churn becomes an issue, right? And your margins start going down because you can't charge these people as much. And you've already taken on more fixed costs because you started hiring all these people. Huh? Is this sounding familiar?
These are sounding like business problems because wouldn't it be convenient if that accountant would say, hey, I will wait here patiently until you have acquired 20 accounts of appropriate size. And then and only then will I choose to come on board. And at that moment, you can collect their revenue and all of these customers will say, you know what?
I will wait in line until you get 19 more customers just like me. And then all at once, we will start working with this new account that you're bringing in so that your payroll and your revenue can match. Wouldn't that be nice? It'd also be nice if this table was made of gold or diamonds. Be sweeter if it were diamond or adamantium, even cooler, but very unlikely.
Hey guys, this podcast continues to grow, which is insane and it's amazing. And it's only because of one person and that's you. You who's listening to this, you might think you're just, you know, like a dot on a map or on some data sheet or something. But the fact that you guys every day share it and post it and text it to friends, put it in your Slack groups for work.
That's how this podcast grows. And so it means the world to me. And if you think that this podcast would provide value to somebody else, if you'd share it, it would mean a lot to me. So thank you so much. And so if you want to be in the wishing game, then maybe entrepreneurship isn't the right path for you.
But if you want to live in the real world, you have to accept that there will be problems and there will be things and they typically revolve around one core issue, which is the delta between your expectations around time. So let me explain what I mean by this. The problem isn't your expectations of the business. Your problem is the timeline of those expectations.
If you want to change the world, you absolutely can. I believe that wholeheartedly. I think any one person, any one man, any one woman can change the world. I believe that. But not tomorrow. It will probably take time. It will take infrastructure. It will take help. It will take a movement. It will take many other people helping you along the way. And that does not happen overnight.
Like there's the saying, Rome wasn't built in a day. And it's true. It wasn't. And so now I'll give you a realistic timeline, I think, that I work on, which is I work in decades. And the reason I choose that number is that you can go from new idea to massive global company in about 10 years. You look at zero to a Microsoft, which they IPO'd at about seven years, right?
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