The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: If You Say Geno Smith's Name ONE More Time...
Mon, 10 Mar 2025
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Chapter 1: What are the podcast's opening remarks and sponsor mentions?
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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?
I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.
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Chapter 2: Who is discussing the Panthers press conference and its implications?
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We will check in with Roy from the Panthers press conference. Marchand has been introduced. He's wearing the red. He says it brings out the color in his eyes. He will be on the road trip with the Panthers as it begins in Boston, where he will say hello to his ex-teammates. And that one's going to be... Something that hurts Boston fans.
That's logistically stupid, right? Make him come down here for a press conference just to go right back to Boston? What did we do that for? Just wait.
That's a good point. It's not like he's playing right now. Why did he fly down here? What's the hurry?
They could have just introduced him in Boston.
I mean, he's on the team now. I'm sure he's looking for an apartment around here. The idea that he's just going to stay up there for three weeks.
A delay practice. You want a delayed onboarding with a new franchise. He'll get it. I mean, I don't want him playing regardless, so go for it.
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Chapter 3: Why is the Geno Smith trade significant for Seattle and the Raiders?
I want to talk to you guys about some of the movement in football over the weekend. DK Metcalf requested a trade in Seattle. The Geno Smith era in Seattle as he gets traded to the Raiders and the Raiders say we want stability at coach and quarterback and so we're going to get Geno Smith and Pete Carroll. I think I can argue that Geno Smith is a top 10 quarterback. It's a bit of a rhetorical trick.
At one point I said that Rex Grossman was one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL because he slid in at number 10 when he was making it to the Super Bowl. Geno Smith was unlucky. In a couple of fronts, he turned the ball over more than he should have, according to the metrics. He had 15 interceptions, but he was unlucky.
He was pretty good with the football and pretty good with the football, even though that offensive line is bad. I don't think in Las Vegas with Bowers that they have the skill guys that Seattle had. But I ask you guys what you make. of Geno Smith and the Geno Smith era in Seattle. Do you guys remember anything? Did that era win a playoff game? He could throw for 4,000 yards.
He was better than any of us thought he would ever be. And I can make the argument that he fits in the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL. You made a face.
Yeah, I don't think anybody other than you is calling Geno Smith a top 10 quarterback.
It's a rhetorical trick. Once you get into 8, 9, and 10, you're talking about interchangeable pieces.
Okay, I'm looking at an NFL.com ranking here. They do have him 12, which is higher than I would have him. Like you say, he's a turnover guy. You know, 15 interceptions weigh a lot, and no matter what the metrics say, that's still a lot of turnover.
Well, wait a minute, though. The metrics do require some examination because he's got as many interceptions. Cousins and Baker had more, but his offensive line was bad. And I want to do the assessment on DK Metcalf. What's Pittsburgh doing here? Are they going to keep Metcalf and Pickens? Are they going to keep Metcalf and Pickens?
And now what's this sourcing that has Aaron Rodgers as somebody in Pittsburgh that is being linked to Pittsburgh? I thought when they got DK Metcalf, I was of the opinion that they were doing that for Russell Wilson. That signaled to me that there was going to be something between Russell Wilson and DK Metcalf. How do DK Metcalf and Pickens fit together?
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Chapter 4: Is Geno Smith a top 10 quarterback? Debate and stats analysis.
It sounds like it still could be Justin Fields or Russell Wilson, but maybe leans more towards Russell Wilson of the two of them. It could be like a fourth option. It could be Sam Darnold. It just... Maybe they should have looked harder at Stafford.
There's no really great options right now for teams like Pittsburgh and Seattle who are going to need quarterbacks for next season because this is a pretty weak quarterback draft. And free agency is not a lot of these teams don't want to pay these players the contracts that they're about to earn because they're just not that great.
Do we believe this Aaron Rodgers interest? Popping up a lot of places. Feels like spin from an agent. Just trying to keep his name in there.
It's interesting how it's being reported because it's just like Schefter constantly opening up the door like, hey, they're talking about him. And that's kind of the reporting that we get on it, which was kind of what happened this morning, which is as they still try to have conversations with Justin Fields and Russell Wilson, another name that's being invoked is Aaron Rodgers.
And that's kind of how the reporting is being done. That Aaron always seems like someone's like plan B, plan C.
For the Steelers, it also, like, what is Russ's number? Because it's not a million dollars a year, which is what they had him for last year, right? So, like, now that they've given DK $30 million, how much are you going to give to the quarterback? Like, are you going to draft a quarterback? Or are you going to get, like, a middle-level quarterback?
You have fields that you could get probably for cheaper than you can get Russ at this point. And, like, the Aaron Rodgers thing... I mean, any team that has a quarterback need now that's looking for an established quarterback, even though he didn't have a great season last year, is better than gambling on a Daniel Jones, maybe.
Right, I agree.
aaron rogers the second half of last season was really good if you look at his second half numbers he was pro bowl quality just in the second half but he got so much heat for not lifting uh the jets and and that's rightful heat but still he's got something left i would much rather have aaron roger i'm surprised the raiders didn't sign him and me i would rather have aaron rogers than gino smith as my starting but he's a
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Chapter 5: What's happening with wide receivers DK Metcalf and George Pickens?
The Vikings make sense in that J.J. McCarthy missed all of last season with an injury. So you still don't really know what you have in J.J. McCarthy. So like if he is still your plan going forward, you bring in Aaron Rodgers for a season to get you to J.J. Because J.J., after sitting out a season, probably isn't ready to be your starter.
And I don't think that you're ready to commit to Sam Darnold long term, which is probably what Sam Darnold is looking for this offseason.
Aaron Rodgers isn't going to be a backup.
No, he's not going to be a backup.
That's what we're saying. He's going to be a starter. I'm saying J.J. McCarthy is their future there, so much so that they're willing to let go of a Sam Darnold who performed well with those skilled guys and who I don't believe Aaron Rodgers is going to be going anywhere where he's not allowed to be the starter.
But the thing I wanted to talk to you about that I always have difficulties untangling, and I remember the first time I had difficulties untangling it. The Dallas Cowboys, champion Dallas Cowboys, had Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper. Both of them thought they were number one receivers. Alvin Harper was a number two receiver.
Alvin Harper became a number one receiver for Tampa and wasn't as good in Tampa because he didn't have Michael Irvin. DK Metcalf, the last couple of seasons, and I asked the audience this, do you consider him not in body type and looks a number one receiver? Do you consider him in production a number one receiver? Because the last couple of seasons, he's got like 60 catches a season.
And that's generally not what I associate with a number one receiver. Now, there are a couple of franchises and only a couple. that now have the benefit that Belichick used to have whenever he added Ochocinco and Albert Hainsworth and people said, well, he must know something. He's great, he's gonna get something out of him and then he didn't.
Devonte Adams goes to the Rams and all of us are like, ah, ah, that's gonna be something with the Rams. Like whatever it hasn't been the last couple of years, I think that that's gonna be something with the Rams. DK Metcalf is what? When I present him to you and say, who's more likely to be a real number one the way that you expect them to be a number one this year and going forward?
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Chapter 6: What are the future quarterback options for teams like the Steelers?
Pickens or DK Metcalf? Because there's going to be a pecking order in Pittsburgh. And then you get into the A.J. Brown situation in Philadelphia where he's a number one. He knows he's a number one. And the moment he stops being a number one, he starts getting mad about things.
I think DK Metcalf is a legitimate number one receiver. At his size, 6'4", with his speed, I think he's the number one. He's got 48 career touchdowns in five or six years. He's 27. He's in his prime. Receivers...
you know he's got another good few years you associate 66 catches with the number one receiver 60 because what he does is he's not always open he's he gets you some touchdowns but 66 catches is pretty that's not a high usage rate that's a guy who's getting shut down in some games and the number ones in this league don't really get shut down they also have three good receivers in seattle that they they spread the wealth to with lockett and
and jsn so i think that dk metcalf i am a little worried big bodied wide receivers historically drop off a little bit earlier but they have two good wide receivers i think a lot what a lot of people are doing is they have the same jersey number how's that going to work out between pickens and dk that is a good question who is going to wear 14 next pickens if they're both on the steelers
I mean, you're the new guy. You've got to get a new number. I eat.
But if you're the guy that just signed the huge contract, are you going to pay for the number?
Money talks, as we learned with Miles Garrett. Can you guys find any images that suggest that DK Metcalf already has a lot of jewelry with number 14 on it and is going to pay a good deal of money in order to have that number so that he could either keep his jewelry or sell it to George Pickens?
To answer the original question, I think Geno Smith is a top four quarterback in Seahawks history. And he's borderline Jersey retirement guy. And if he were around when they had some of their better teams, they would have had the same number of Super Bowl wins at the very least. Do you know, Smith?
We're doing Hasselbeck. We're doing Wilson. Who's the third?
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Chapter 7: Why is Aaron Rodgers' potential move generating buzz?
Geno Smith has reinvented himself almost entirely. But I asked the group and I asked the audience, did they win a playoff game with Geno Smith there? Because they may have, but I don't remember it.
I don't think so. I know that they gave San Francisco a run for their money at San Francisco in the playoffs, but I don't think they won a playoff.
But I think this is what we do with Geno Smith. We oversimplify this based on both his past and the fact that we associate quarterbacks with winning in a way that's not totally fair, given that there are a lot of things that go into winning.
But Geno Smith, I feel like everyone listening to this knows that what you're going to get with Geno Smith is you're going to be a 500 team that's not going to win in the playoffs, no matter what team you put him on.
That's the Steelers also. The number one jersey is retired in Pittsburgh, by the way. Has not been reissued in a long time.
Oh, who wore it?
Gary Anderson.
The kicker? The kicker? The kicker? The one with the one face mask?
Gary?
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Chapter 8: How do passing statistics influence quarterback evaluations?
I mean, maybe not long term, but like you just signed Max Crosby, who you're going to be building around, right? And he commanded a lot of money. Are you going to overtake the Chiefs in the AFC West? Probably not. You're probably playing for a wild card spot. If you get...
nine ten wins you can make the playoffs Gino Smith can give you that I'd like to read you some things that I think run counter empirically to what it is Greg thinks he's right about here when he just looks at 15 interceptions and that has is his assessment of Gino Smith uh this is uh and you don't tend to like this stuff from pro football focus but I'm just going to read it okay because it does a deeper dive on those turnovers than you're presently doing per
Pro football focus. Smith had a league average turnover-worthy play rate of 2.6%. That tied him with Josh Allen, the league's MVP. Josh Allen was wildly efficient when it came to turnovers this year, and it puts him ahead of Tua, Jordan Love, Goff, Stafford, Darnold, and Hertz, all of whom had better offensive line play than Geno Smith. He ranks...
14th in career dropbacks among active players, with 10 of the players above him having entered the league after him per True Media. It makes him harder to evaluate based on true talent level, but he did throw a lot of passes over his three seasons as Seattle's starter.
Only Mahomes had more dropbacks over that span, and according to Pro Football Focus's grading, only six quarterbacks performed better than Geno Smith during that time. Their names are Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Allen, Mahomes,
easy upgrade for for their roster much better than Minshew O'Connell Ritter well that's true I'll admit that they need to get the running game in order but the sneaky thing about the Raiders is they had 2,000 yard receivers Bowers and Jacoby Myers in 15 games also had more than a thousand yards receiving this year just did it with very little fanfare because they weren't playing meaningful games
I mean, why do you think Geno Smith went one, two, three, four, five, like eight years in a row in his career without being a starting quarterback, starting two games in an eight-year period? I think you're talking like you're Geno Smith's agent, and stats can be maneuvered and jiggered and wiggled to say just about anything. You can look at pro football focus.
You can look at that kind of analytics and come up with any reason why any quarterback
But Greg, it's got more information than your opinion, which is just based on five years ago, like what you thought five years ago and hasn't changed. There's more empirical data. Yes, you can make it say anything, but what I just made it say was pretty impressive.
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