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Good Follow - Angel McCoughtry Joins The Show, Milaysia Fulwiley Commits to LSU + WNBA Training Camp & More
Wed, 30 Apr 2025
This week on Good Follow: Ros, Logan & Angel decide if LSU is a good fit for Milaysia Fulwiley, if the transfer portal is working for players, and if Chennedy Carter going to play in Mexico is a good step towards making it back to the WNBA. Then, Ros sits down with WNBA legend and 2x Olympic gold medalist, Angel McCoughtry, to talk about being the 2009 #1 draft pick, her 3 finals appearances with the Dream, and life outside of basketball. Later, Ros and Logan play a game of “This or That” as they try to guess which player belongs to a moment from WNBA training camp. Finally, Logan shares her NWSL pick of the week presented by DraftKings. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who are the hosts and special guests on Good Follow episode?
Hey, what's up, y'all? Welcome to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Roz Goldon-Wooday, and as always, I'm here with my girl, Logan Hackett. Logan, what's goody?
Nothing. Honestly, just chilling, Kanda. I wish, your background looks really good. Like everything about you looks amazing right now. I have to say that, but how are you?
Oh, thank you. Well, this is an interesting background because I am at the LA studios. We have a big show because we have a big guest who's also co-hosting with us today. WNBA basketball legend, two-time Olympic gold medalist, Angel McCartrey is joining the show. Go break it down.
I think they gave me the best background. Oh, no, no. Your background is nice.
You look good. Why does my head look so big? Or maybe it's my hair. Is this ponytail? But we are coming to you from the LA studio. And Logan, you're in Canada. Eh. Eh. And we're so happy to have Angel here. Not only are we going to sit down and have an interview, but she's going to hang out with us in the first block of the show and break down some topics.
So let me tell you guys what we have in store for you in today's show. We've got a big one and a great lineup. We're starting off, we are talking about Mylasia Fulwiley going to LSU. And then the transfer portal, it's officially closed. We're gonna discuss the impact. Kennedy Carter, she's off to play in Mexico. And WNBA training camp has started. We'll take you through what's training.
Anomaly is Angel McCautry, basketball WNBA legend here to break down these topics with us in the A Block. My girl's going to sit down. This is my home, girl. We're going to sit down and have a nice conversation and interview for y'all. So stay with us.
And as always, y'all, thank you so much for subscribing, commenting, liking, and following all the socials. But don't forget, new episodes drop every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Eastern. So y'all better be the first to click all the buttons. But y'all, are you ready for the show? All the buttons.
Subscribe, subscribe, tell your friends. I'm ready to go. Let's go, Logan.
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Chapter 2: Why did Milaysia Fulwiley decide to transfer to LSU?
Now there was so much drama around this transfer just in general, but LSU fans love it. SC fans hate it. Roz, do you think this is a good move?
That's a nice synopsis of things. First of all, congratulations to Malaysia Fulwiley. A young person has decided on where she's going to go to continue her career. She's highly decorated. I think LSU, she continues to have a chance to contend for a championship. Coach Mulkey is someone where players have had the chance to be free and do their thing. You know, you mentioned Flage.
I think you think about those two guards and their energy and intensity and passion and speed. I think it could be quite electric over there. My other side of this, however, is that I don't think that Malaysia was in a bad situation at South Carolina either. And I know there was a lot of critique when, you know, Tanaya Watson came over there and transferred in.
Like, what did that mean for Fulwiley? And for me, I think in college, there's a progression that happens season after season. And I think that Malaysia was on that. Let me take you through. So... When she was a freshman at South Carolina, she was on the all-freshman team SEC. She was the SEC tournament MVP. She got to be a champion.
Now last season, sophomore year, she's the SEC sixth woman of the year, sixth player of the year. Her team contends again, gets to the championship game. She's in Stephen Curry's Under Armour, like highly visible, one of the Under Armour athletes. And let me give you another example. Last season, South Carolina had a slam cover. Who's on the cover?
It's Chloe Kitts, Joyce Edwards, and Mylasia Fulwiley. How often do y'all see a six player, a bench player, getting this kind of visibility and emotion? You don't. And my point is, it was never about was Malaysia coming off the bench or not. It was never about that.
Sometimes when people are so stuck on, oh, she's not starting or this and that, you lose the bigger picture that it was South Carolina that was the platform and the vehicle where you had the opportunity to shine, in my opinion. And it was never about, did she have to start? She just had to continue to progress within the program and grow because we already knew what her talent was. But
That's her prerogative. I actually think it's going to be harder for her at LSU to have to now gel and produce. There's more pressure for her to be a star there.
But Roz, that's not the mindset of a player. A player like Fort Wiley is like, I'm on the magazine. Why am I not starting? I'm the most famous acrobatic player out here right now. I should be starting. But let me go back to Dawn Stanley. This is a problem that Dawn Stanley is going to have to deal with. She's one of the best teams in college basketball right now.
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Chapter 3: What impact does the transfer portal have on college basketball players?
So you're talking about going back to the same school you were trying to transfer from. That is so awkward. I wouldn't even want to show up to practice and see coach.
You know what? Not in 2025. It's a business now. Everything's so transactional. So for me, I think the portal is madness. And I'll first start with the situations where I think it works. I think it works if you're an upperclassman and you're looking to improve your draft stock and you have a feeling that making a move to another team could better that. I'm with you.
If your coach has blatantly recruited over you, I like the empowerment of, okay, I'm holding you accountable. I'm out. Okay? I'm okay with that. If contending for a tournament experience, and you currently are a team that isn't doing that, and that's important to you in your experience, we've seen that happen.
And then also, Angel, another aspect of this that we don't even think about, coming from 2009, 2010, my God, The bag, the money is crazy. Like, I don't know if you've heard about some of these numbers. I've been hearing like 200, 300,000 being thrown around for someone to go to K-State and average 8.9 points per game.
I can't imagine.
With Olivia Miles, a million was in the conversation.
I heard Olivia Miles. Again, allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. But I'm not even going to say a name. You don't even hear me say a name, but I have heard the number of one million thrown around.
I mean, who can turn that down? Like, if I'm in school, now that I rethink about it, if I'm getting a million, I'm gone. Raj, you know you're gone too.
If you think about it, like, that money is very real. First of all, most people coming out of college, regular people, are in debt.
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Chapter 4: Is playing in Mexico a good step for Chennedy Carter to return to the WNBA?
Exactly. And actually, on the topic of what's good for players, we saw Kendi Carter make a move by announcing that she'll be playing professionally in Mexico for LNBPF team Adelitas de Chihuahua. And I mean, she's coming off one of her best seasons in the W, but wasn't able to sign with the team for training camp, or I guess next season.
And I feel like it's kind of boiling into more things that are off the court. But Just based on what she's been through, do y'all think it's a good step for her to make her way back into the W?
A chihuahua. I wanted to say what, like my brain was like, don't say it, don't say it. First, I want to say, Kennedy, be patient. It is coming. You're going to get back in the WNBA. Going to Mexico, fine. But I hope you put in your contract that if I get a WNBA contract, I can leave whenever I want. If you didn't put that in your contract, oh my gosh, we need to talk to your agent.
You're going to get there. Be patient. Keep working out. Keep training. Keep a positive attitude. Keep letting people know that you're maturing as a player and you're going to be fine. You had a great season last year in Chicago. You're going to be fine.
More than a great season, Angel. Kennedy came off of a career season in Chicago and then went to China and was the league MVP. Do you know she's only 26 years old? So Kennedy is not even young. She's not even in her prime yet. Very, very talented. This is clearly not a basketball issue with Kennedy. It's very much like concerns about, to use quotes, like her impact on a locker room.
And so I think what Kennedy needs to demonstrate is maturity, is leadership, is growth. And I actually think the opportunity to play in Mexico gives her the chance to do just that. They already know she can hoop.
But show in Mexico that you're not a problem child, that you can do what you need to do. We all know that Kennedy has a great heart. Yes, is there some things that she needs to work on, mental health issues that she needs to get some help with? Yes, we all do. But show that you're working on progressing those things and you're going to get back in.
Yes. I was surprised and saddened for her that apparently there was no training camp offer that came after her delivering such a great year. And so I'm very hopeful that she's able to demonstrate that and have an opportunity again. As somebody who's played in the WNBA, do you think it's surprising or overstated the amount of... Like, she's getting penalized.
Like, the amount of attention on what she might do in a locker room versus the clear talent that she has. Are you surprised by this?
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Chapter 5: Who is Angel McCoughtry and what are her career highlights?
So that's all she has to do is just show that she can do the work, not just on the court, but personally and professionally.
Girls, you mentioned Chyna. She was the league MVP, but her numbers were, like, they stood out big time to me. She was averaging 31.4 points per game, had 250 pieces back-to-back, and then in one game, she had 33.17 rebounds, 10 assists, and five steals. So she's a dog right now.
She's a dog. She's putting in that work. Those numbers? Yeah. The agents should be throwing that in GM's faces, like...
There's a team that needs it. There's a team that needs the talent. But, you know, I think would you, as a GM, would you prefer peace in your locker room over her talent? Is it worth it?
It depends on some things. Like I said, if she's doing the work, it's worth it. But it can get rough. So show that you're doing the work, Kennedy. That's it. I'm giving you the gems. And get a vet that'll take you under their wing and guide you. You got to listen.
I'm not even trying to say that, and no player as an adult, no adult needs to be babysat, but you mentioned Yvette.
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Chapter 6: What was Angel McCoughtry's experience being the #1 draft pick and Rookie of the Year?
Also, maybe a team I think about hiring, Teresa Weatherspoon, who as a coach was able to get the best out of Kennedy, and not only just be there for Kennedy, so many players, especially during Unrivaled that I've spoken to that have played for a spoon, speak about running through a wall for her. D'Erica Hamby, Jordan Canada, obviously Angel Reese.
So, you know, hey, look, maybe that's, if you're thinking about bringing in Kennedy, maybe it's also a Teresa Weatherspoon move.
Yeah, let's get Spoon back in. I think Spoon did a great job. I think there were some things, obviously, professionally that we could have saw a little bit better with locker room stuff and things like that. But that's basketball, right? You're talking about you got 12 women doing a whole season. Arguments is going to happen. You got all these different women personalities. It happens.
But I think Spoon, it was a learning experience for her as a coach. And I think she's going to come back better. So someone please get Spoon back in. We love Spoon.
Well, y'all, we are wishing Kennedy all the best. I really want to see her thrive. And I think y'all do as well. But coming up, Roz is sitting down one on one with our girl Angel. We'll be right back.
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Chapter 7: How has the WNBA draft evolved from 2009 to 2025?
Hey, what's up, Good Follow? It's your girl, Roz Golden-Wade, and I am coming to you from our L.A. studio. We have a special guest joining me today, also my friend and a basketball legend. She was the number one draft pick in 2009 and then followed up as the Rookie of the Year. She's a five-time WNBA All-Star, a two-time Olympic gold medalist.
She played both sides of the ball, a two-time scoring champ, a two-time steals leader. friend to the show, friend to me, Aja McCarty is here! What's going on, Aja? Thank you so much, man. The introduction was amazing. I mean, I could have said more. I could have said multi-hyphenate, musician, director, multi-faceted businesswoman. Stop it, stop it.
But, you know, just cool as a fan, because I know you came here from Egypt, from Turkey. You pulled up on Good Follow from worldwide.
You know I had to pull up on you, man. It don't matter where I am in the world, I'm going to pull up on your ass, because I know what you've done to the game. You've been around the game. I remember you from high school. We worked out together in high school. Nike camp.
Yeah. I remember you more from college. Really? Yeah. I mean, you were a beast. We're the same class. But I feel like we never got to play each other. We never played. We were in the same Final Four. We were. Yeah. I remember you clearly from the Final Four. Final Four.
But we didn't play. We didn't play. No. How did that work out? Because we play Oklahoma. Who did you guys have? I think UConn. Damn! Oh, and... Did we beat UConn that year? We did. You did beat them that year, but you lost in the finals. And we wanted y'all so bad. Wait, what does that mean?
Why did you want Stanford?
You thought we were the easier pass? Not even that. We were just tired of UConn. They were always there. So we were just like, somebody different. We wanted y'all, you know what I'm saying? Same final four, y'all. Okay.
But, yo, thank you for pulling up on the show. For sure. Actually, let's go there. Let's go back to 2009. Ooh, long time ago, Ross. It is becoming a long time now. How old are we now? Shoot, I'm 25.
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Chapter 8: What advice does Angel McCoughtry give to young players about staying ready and mentorship?
I ain't scared to say it. I'm 38, about to be 40.
In 2009, you were the number one draft pick. And I want to take you back in memory lane. Let's take a look. Ooh. Take a look.
With the first pick in the 2009 WNBA Draft, the Atlanta Dreams select Angel McCautry from Louisville.
How awesome was that? Number one draft pick? What do you remember about putting your fit together for draft day? It was pandemonium. First of all, the silk press was giving. It was laid.
And how about the black leather with the office pencil skirt? Seriously, we picked that out an hour before.
No way. Literally. I told you, I didn't have no money. I don't know nothing about fashion. I just got there, and I think somebody else's designer was like, here, just put this on. I was like, thank you. Take this gray pencil skirt.
But that was also the fashion and office couture, if you will. Yes. I mean, can you imagine now we literally just came off the 2025 draft and it's like orange carpet, like stylists, there's coach bags, partnerships. How do you compare the drafts from then to now?
You can't compare it. We had none of that. I mean, literally it was just a small room with coaches and family. Now you got the influences there, so much coverage. It's amazing to see the growth of that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were still holding it down for those days. We had to hold it down for what it was.
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