Under normal circumstances, the profound pain of a government shutdown compels both parties to negotiate a quick resolution on behalf of the American people. But, so far, nothing about this shutdown is normal.Times journalists Michael Barbaro, Tyler Pager, Catie Edmondson and Tony Romm sit down to discuss why this shutdown feels so different.Guest:Tyler Pager, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, covering President Trump and his administration.Catie Edmondson, a congressional correspondent for The New York Times.Tony Romm, a reporter covering economic policy and the Trump administration for The New York Times, based in Washington.Background reading: President Trump’s unilateral spending cuts could complicate a shutdown deal.The Trump administration said it would pay some ICE and T.S.A. agents during the shutdown.Photo: Tierney L. Cross/The New York TimesFor more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. Under normal circumstances, the profound pain of a government shutdown compels both parties to negotiate as quick a resolution as possible on behalf of the American people. But so far, nothing about this shutdown is normal.
Today, as the federal shutdown enters its 17th day, three of my colleagues, White House reporter Tyler Pager, congressional reporter Katie Edmondson, and economic policy reporter Tony Rom, explain what's making it feel so different. It's Friday, October 17th. Katie, Tyler, Tony, welcome to The Roundtable.
Thanks so much, Michael. Good to see you, Michael. How you doing?
Doing great. I just need to observe that saying those names in quick succession makes me feel like you're a family, like maybe a family of tigers. Katie, Tyler, Tony. Katie, Tyler, Tony.
the tiger.
They're great. Welcome to a special shutdown edition of the Roundtable. It's a topic that I think benefits from having specialized reporting experience brought to the topic, and I think each of your specialties can emerge as we go. I just want to start with a simple observation. This is a real weird shutdown. Yes or no? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, without a doubt.
And let's talk about the ways in which it is a weird shutdown, Tyler, starting with you.
Yeah, we have never seen a White House or an administration weaponize the federal government against the opposing party the way in which we're seeing it happen right now.
Right. In a shutdown. I mean, clearly, people have weaponized perhaps Trump, especially government in the past, but you're saying weaponizing a shutdown.
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