The Chuck ToddCast
Trump Is "POISONING The Well" In Congress + Devastating Medicaid Cuts w/Ritchie Torres
Mon, 19 May 2025
Chuck Todd welcomes Congressman Ritchie Torres for a wide-ranging conversation that begins with a tour of New York's 15th district and the unique challenges of representing one of America's most diverse urban areas. Torres offers candid insights on governance, highlighting how term limits disadvantage legislators compared to lobbyists. The conversation shifts to the current political landscape, with Torres expressing deep concerns about President Trump's approach to his second term, arguing that Trump is "poisoning the well" for bipartisanship despite Biden's successful record of cross-party legislation. Torres delivers a stark warning that America is "planting the seed of its own decline" and characterizes the consequences of proposed GOP Medicaid cuts as "barbaric," particularly in light of the brewing long-term care crisis. They weigh the merits of pragmatism versus idealism in American foreign policy and scrutinize Qatar's growing financial influence in American politics. Torres argues that "Republicans would impeach Joe Biden if he had accepted a plane" while addressing whether Democrats should adopt Trump's aggressive approach to wielding power. Torres acknowledges that Democrats "should have spoken out sooner about Biden's decline" and offers his vision for how the party can project strength moving forward. They conclude with Torres addressing his political future—including speculation about mayoral and gubernatorial ambitions—before outlining his solutions for New York's housing crisis, crime concerns, and utility costs. Timeline:00:00 Introduction00:50 Joe Biden diagnosed with aggressive form of cancer02:00 Was Biden’s decline covered up, or just willful ignorance?03:00 Robert Hur recording has supercharged the Biden story06:45 Joe Biden couldn’t assure voters he was up to the job08:30 Chris Murphy says it’s the Democrats fault that Trump was re-elected11:45 Democrats need to do soul searching like they did with Bill Clinton13:30 Clinton had to run against the party and its prior leadership15:00 Democrats misread the 2020 election result18:00 Democrats will take some blame for problems Trump causes19:00 Democrats need to reinvent themselves21:00 Trump released the Hur tapes as a distraction 23:00 Democrats should be angrier about Biden than Republicans25:00 Mike Johnson needs Trump to pressure members of congress26:00 Ritchie Torres joins the Chuck ToddCast 26:30 Tour of the NY-15 district 28:30 The enormity of the New York city council 30:00 Would he support expanding the size of the house? 32:00 Term limits disadvantage legislators compared to lobbyists 33:00 Can any bipartisan agreement be reached with Trump 34:30 Biden had multiple pieces of bipartisan legislation 35:30 Trump is poisoning the well in his second term 37:30 America is planting the seed of its own decline 38:00 Medicaid cuts will be devastating 40:00 Will the Medicaid cuts be delayed where a future congress could fix it? 41:30 Medicaid work requirements don't work 42:45 The consequences of the GOP budget will be barbaric 44:45 How do we address the long-term care crisis? 47:00 Should America's foreign policy be pragmatic or idealistic? 49:45 How should we view Qatar's infusion of money into American politics? 51:30 Republicans would impeach Joe Biden if he had accepted a plane 54:15 Should Democrats wield power like Trump when they're in charge? 55:50 Democrats should have spoken out sooner about Biden's decline 1:00:00 How can the Democrats project strength as a party? 1:01:15 Democrats need to let the cream rise to the top 1:02:30 Campaigning makes candidates sharper 1:03:30 Why aren't you running for NYC mayor? 1:05:30 Andrew Cuomo is a great "builder" 1:07:30 Will you run for governor in 2026? 1:08:00 How would you address the housing crisis in New York? 1:10:30 Addressing crime in New York 1:13:00 New York's budget has increased, the quality of services hasn't 1:14:45 Public ownership of utilities would lower costs for New Yorkers 1:16:30 Progressives have overprioritized ideological purity over results1:19:15 Chuck's thoughts on interview with Ritchie Torres 1:20:00 If Torres faces Hochul 1 on 1 he could beat her 1:21:00 Rumors that Kamala Harris could run for governor of California 1:21:45 CA governor race will be tough for Harris 1:25:15 If Harris loses governor race, her political career is over(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)
Chapter 1: What challenges does Ritchie Torres face in representing the Bronx?
They didn't put the interests of the country ahead of the interests of the party or the interests of themselves. And what really makes it, I think, even more damning for the Democrats and why this recovery is going to be so much harder, no matter how unpopular Donald Trump and the Republicans are in this moment, because it's a trust issue, right? There was this lack of being able to
of being able to see and the rhetoric was Donald Trump's an existential threat to the democracy. Well, if you believe that, then you had to make sure you were doing everything you can as a party to put that front and center, that that issue would be front and center. So if you had a sitting president that wasn't up to the challenge,
then he needed to be primaried or he needed to be convinced not to run again. And it should have happened a heck of a lot sooner. The party never seemed to take the Trump threat as seriously as the rhetoric they would utter because their actions didn't back up the rhetoric. How do we know that? Just look at how they handled the Biden situation in the last two years of the Biden presidency.
So the question is, How many people in the Democratic Party are going to be tainted with this? So let me go back. I want to go back to the experience of the last time that the Democrats had sort of this sort of an era of defeat that called into question whether the Democratic Party was strong enough to lead in this country. The Democratic Party had got blown out in 72 by George McGovern.
They narrowly win the White House, even though they should have won it by a lot. But they narrowly win the White House in 76 post Watergate, essentially because Ford pardons Nixon. And that was an unforgivable sin. Carter gets blown out in 80. Walter Mondale gets blown out in 84. And Michael Dukakis gets blown out in 88. So four landslides in five elections.
And after that 88 election, there were serious problems. There were serious debates about what was the Democratic Party going to do with itself. There was books that were put out that said the permanent minority party, the Democratic Party is headed for permanent minority party status. And what happened? Somebody decided to pick a fight and take the Democratic Party in a whole new direction.
And that somebody was Bill Clinton. And I've gone through this a few times before, so I'm not gonna re-talk about this moment, but that was a cathartic moment for a party. And Bill Clinton confronted the establishment. Bill Clinton confronted the very basic issues that swing voters were saying they didn't trust, whether it was law and order issues, national security, or the economy, right?
He came out and centered the party as being more pro-business, more pro-free trade, tough, essentially, when he got elected president, he basically adopted half of the national defense policy that George H.W. Bush had, kept Colin Powell, kept a bunch of holdovers at the time, and essentially preserved much of the status quo in the national security.
And of course, he projected himself as much tougher on law and order, even famously leaving the campaign trail to oversee The use of the death penalty when he was governor of Arkansas late in the campaign just to reinforce the message that he was a different type of Democrat.
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Chapter 2: How is Trump 'poisoning the well' for bipartisanship?
It was all about him making contrast that he wasn't Jimmy Carter, that he wasn't Michael Dukakis and that he wasn't Walter Mondale. And the one thing and he actually had to push back that he wasn't George McGovern. That was a little harder for him. Why? Because why? Bill and Hillary Clinton ran Texas for McGovern back in 72. But still, you see my larger point.
He had to not just run against the party, but contrast himself and put those previous Democratic leaders in a negative light. That's likely the situation the Democrats are in now, right? If you put the grouping of candidates together of Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. We've had three elections and two of them lost.
And the Joe Biden victory turned out to be probably more of an accident in hindsight than we all realize. I think that one of the fundamental problems Democrats, I think, have made and why they may have chosen not to confront the Biden age issue when they should have is I think they misinterpreted both what happened in 2020 and 2022.
Chapter 3: What are the consequences of proposed GOP Medicaid cuts?
I think the Democrats mostly believe that their success in 20 and their better than expected showing in 22 was due to a rejection of Donald Trump and Trumpism. When it looks like if you actually dig in and now sort of see how voters behaved in 24, now we can look back and realize, oh, in 20, this was simply about COVID. And had Donald Trump managed COVID better, he'd have won reelection.
And oh, by the way, he almost won reelection anyway. Right. And in 22, it was simply superior Democratic candidates running against terrible Republican nominees. And if there weren't those terrible Republican nominees, the 2022 midterms go differently. And perhaps it actually motivates the Democratic Party to say, hey, they've got a pivot from Joe Biden. Something is wrong here.
This isn't working. But. And they believe the voters that the message the voters were sending was a full on rejection of Trump when really it was just a rejection of the specific policy of the moment and of that moment in 2020 was COVID. And I also think what happened on January 6th really clouded the judgment of a lot of Democrats.
That the conservative media machine had done a great job building an alternative ecosystem. And Donald Trump supercharged that alternative ecosystem when Facebook and Twitter decided to deplatform him. He was forced to have to go find a new way to communicate.
And all that did was, I think, lessen whatever impact Democrats thought January was going to say January 6th was going to have on the electorate as a whole. So. Look, I think you're going to continue to see more Democrats try to distance themselves. I think it's going to be really tough for some of them.
I saw James Carville just attack Pete Buttigieg the other day saying, oh, now you're saying because Buttigieg went in Iowa, essentially said, yeah, maybe we should have gone in a different direction rather than Biden seeking reelection. And, of course, Carville's first answer was because Carville was out there early on saying Biden shouldn't seek reelection.
He was saying it in 2023 when many when many Democrats were not saying it then or certainly weren't saying it publicly. And he basically said, where were you, Pete Buttigieg? Why didn't you say anything then?
And so I think that that's going to be it's going to be an albatross that every single Democrat that runs for office, the closer you are to Biden, the more questions you're going to have to answer about what you saw and what you didn't see. And if you didn't see it, the question is going to be, why didn't you see it?
Why didn't you ask questions about why you weren't allowed to meet more often with the president if you were a cabinet secretary, for instance? Or why did you say what you said? Some of these defenses.
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Chapter 4: Can there be bipartisan agreement in Congress with Trump?
The mayor cannot install speed cameras without the approval of the state legislature. The most important questions on matters of housing and healthcare and public safety are often decided at the state level by the state legislature and by the governor. And so I just feel the state has a much greater systemic impact in advancing the issues that I care about. And then one more point.
You know, historically, the mayor's office has been a graveyard where political careers go to die. So if I were looking to retire prematurely, then that would be the right place for me to go.
I guess the reason why I think some of my well-connected friends, they see you as somebody that might be able to bring the city together and they're just nervous about having a retread politician.
You know, they don't love the choice here. Make them feel better.
Uh, look, I, I, I'm going to vote for Andrew Kovar and, and I'm going to, you know, share, share, share what I respect about the governor. And I'm sure you've been following. There's a new movement on the left known as the Abundance Movement. And it's based on a recognition that America is no longer a nation of builders. We've become a nation of bureaucrats.
And to his credit, Andrew Cuomo was one of the few executives in the 21st century who was a genuinely great builder. LaGuardia Airport, Moynihan Train Hall, Mario Cuomo Bridge. You know, that that's a rarity. You know, it was once common in the early 20th century. But, you know, he's one of the few executives who have proven ability to execute on grand infrastructure projects.
And so that to me represents Governor Cuomo at his best. And that's why I would vote for him because I see him as the most experienced of everyone in the field. Does he need to do more on sort of acknowledging the character flaws? I feel, I think we all benefit from acknowledging our failings. I think when you level with people and say, I've made mistakes and I have failings, people appreciate it.
He seems to have resistance to that tone. I've not heard that tone from him.
There is something to be said for humility and acknowledging your own fallibility. Mm-hmm. That's just human. People want their elected officials to be vulnerable and authentic and humble and acknowledge. And like them, it's a representative democracy. And we'll all work in progress. I've made decisions that I regret, but you live and you learn.
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Chapter 5: What role does Medicaid play in the Bronx?
80% of New Yorkers would vote for it. Black, white, Latino, Asian. Is this a legislative? Legislation, yeah. It's going to take legislation, yeah. Yes. But the trouble with City Hall, Albany, and Washington, D.C., is that common sense has become dangerously uncommon.
And one of the criticisms that I have of my own party is that there are times when we're more responsive to special interest groups than we are to everyday people on the ground, particularly on issues of public safety. 100%.
If Governor Hochul, is there anything she could do to convince you not to challenge her?
I mean, if she becomes an effective governor, then certainly that could persuade me to.
Is there an issue you could see if she took up, it would be persuasive or unlikely at this point?
100%.
Yeah, the Cuomo name meant something to some people, yeah. I'm aware of no one who's like a passionate champion of Kathy Hochul. She simply benefits... from the power of incumbency. But look, the broken system is deeper than one governor and it long predates the incumbent governor. In 2015, New York had a $142 billion budget. 2024, a $254 billion budget. I am not aware of a single New York,
who has seen a $110 billion improvement in the delivery of state services.
So, you know, you're challenged to her. It's not easy to say, are you challenging her from the left or the right? You're not really. And it's not really an ideological challenge if you end up doing this. This is really more of a competency.
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Chapter 6: How do long-term care policies need to change?
And look, I don't want to take away from the interview itself, but when you hear it, you may be one part entertained and one part scratching your head and one part liking what you hear and one part a little uncomfortable. The point is, is that he's a big personality and he has some he's he's not a big fan of Kamala Harris and he will not will not hold back.
And I think that that's going to be there. She is going the minute she gets in. There's going to be a whole bunch of people who are going to target her in a negative way in all sorts of directions. Her connection to Biden is going to be an issue. What did she see? What didn't she see? Why didn't she say something?
Perhaps she's going to take heat for not for the campaign that she ran for president. I think for the most part, she ran a pretty good campaign for president, given given the situation she was in.
But she's got to answer for the fact that she didn't sound the alarm that sooner about Joe Biden, that, you know, you've even had some some on the right say, how come she didn't push to invoke the 25th Amendment and things like that? So while I think that's a bit extreme, she still has to provide an answer that isn't snarky and that isn't defensive and that is believable. So. Look, I'm a skeptic.
On one hand, look, if she's in the top two, she's probably the next governor. But I think this is an awfully risky decision because what's interesting, if she decided not to run in 26 for any office and chose not to run in 28 for any office, I think she could have sort of She preserved herself to possibly run for governor in 2030 or run for president in 2032.
But she's putting herself in a situation where she loses a governorship in 26 and she can't get and she can't win that race. Political career is over. There's no coming back from that, not in this era. Maybe Richard Dixon could pull it off back in an era of three television channel, and no internet, no communication system like we have today.
So I will say this, I think it's an awfully risky decision. And I just don't know if I'd be making a decision like this for an office that I hadn't thought about running for before. I mean, that's a real question I have for her. Have you thought about being governor? When was the first time you ever thought about being governor of California? Did it only start after you lost the presidency?
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Chapter 7: What innovations can help improve healthcare delivery?
Anyway, it's a... It's going to be interesting to watch, and it certainly will become one of the premier races that national media covers if she does indeed run. All right. That's the end of my Monday. Big. Got to praise my Nats. They swept the Orioles in the big Beltway series.
I think the Orioles firing their manager after game one tells you everything you need to know about the state of the Orioles. But man, paging my friend David Rubenstein. A bunch of us Nats fans were upset. David Rubenstein is this wealthy industrialist. He's the owner of the Orioles. He's also the guy that Donald Trump fired from the Kennedy Center.
I will just tell you, a lot of us Nats fans were disappointed when he chose to buy the Orioles, when I was hoping he'd be the person to buy the Nats. But he's a Baltimore native and he want to... He's going to become a reviled owner pretty quickly. Forget Donald Trump not being his biggest fan.
He's going to have the entire Orioles fan base angry with him because before he was owner, they were winning 100 games and 91 games. Since he's become owner, they didn't have any big free agent signings. In fact, they lost a big free agent in Corbin Burns. And now... They have a worse – I tell you this.
I never thought they'd have a worse record than the Nats at this point in the season, but they do. This was supposed to be an Orioles team on the rise. They've got some amazing young talent. So kudos to my Nats, my man James Wood. Dylan Cruz even got a homer. It was homer heaven on Sunday.
So, look, if I can't take this opportunity to use my own podcast to praise the Nats, then what the hell do I have my own podcast for, right? So with that – I'll take a 24-hour break of sorts, and I'll talk to you the next time we upload to you again.
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