The Charlie Kirk Show
THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 81 — Money For Moms? Dark Woke? AI Factories?
Sat, 26 Apr 2025
Charlie, Jack, Tyler, and Blake dig into the week's biggest topics, including: -Are $5,000 baby bonuses a worthwhile way to boost America’s birthrate?-Are American young people too clueless to hold a factory job?-What the heck is “dark woke?”Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the idea behind $5,000 baby bonuses to boost America's birthrate?
Jack, what do you think?
So, yeah, this is one of those things where it's been tried in Poland. It's been tried in Hungary. I want to say other parts of Asia may have tried this. And it's really seen limited success. There's still been issues with the birth rates in many of these countries. And also, you know, I'm just going to say it.
America has more of an issue with, you know, sort of the baby mama syndrome than some of these other, you know, Eastern European countries do. And I worry that if you don't put the right kind of conditions on something like this, then you you just kind of create that situation all over again.
Yeah. So I think Hungary has actually stabilized the decline, if I'm not mistaken. It's gone up. So I'm looking at the numbers right in front of me. They have like they spend, I think, seven percent of GDP on pro family policy. I mean, it's an extraordinary investment. They measure it. They have a whole bureau of it in Hungary. It is a robust martial.
And there's playgrounds everywhere. When you go around in Budapest, it's like every corner there's a new playground or something's going on. And they have like kids sections in the in the restaurant in Poland as well. It's amazing to see what a pro family country like a pro child country actually looks like. And then you start asking questions about yours, about ourselves, like, wait a minute.
Is our country pro-family or are we actually kind of like an anti-child country? And because in many ways we don't make accommodations for children in this country.
Now, what I would like to flag, though, is so I'm looking at I just sent you a chart. You guys a chart. So we've got I just plugged in Hungary fertility rate. Fertility rate is average number of births per woman. And it auto generated with the magic of AI. It gave us a chart for Hungary. It gave us one for Poland and it gave us one for Czechia, the Czech Republic.
And it's worth looking at this where Hungary is actually so they bottomed out in 2010 at about 1.23. That's very low. And they've raised it. They got it up to about 1.61 right when COVID hit and it dropped off to 1.52 in 2020. So there's some fluctuation.
It's a slight increase.
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Chapter 2: How have baby bonus policies worked in countries like Hungary and Poland?
But they stopped the decrease.
Yeah, but it's worth flagging. They're consistently, over the past decade, they're consistently behind Czechia. And that's an interesting comparison because the Czechs are one of the least religious countries in the world by survey. They are basically at rock bottom in religious observance. No. They have Vietnamese, a few of them. Really? Yeah, it's an old communist Cold War thing.
They brought in North Vietnamese through an exchange program. So you find these Vietnamese markets in the Czech Republic. But... So they have consistently been a bit ahead, and they follow a very similar pattern, which is worth flagging, that they bottom out around the same point. They similarly have a bit of a rise in the 2010s, and then they similarly fall right after COVID hits.
So Hungary did reverse their decline, but it's also worth saying... Did they reverse the decline because of their policies or is there a wider social thing going on? Because they border there. I'm not sure if they border them, but they're very close to the Czechs. And like culturally, historically, they have a lot of similar inputs going into that. And they're following a pretty similar pattern.
And I think with the $5,000 baby bonus, you kind of run into what I think is the reality, which is you can do things to encourage bigger families, but the stuff that you can do that would actually work, it's not within the Overton window of what a democracy could do. If you gave women... A million dollars per birth, like just had a nationwide Elon Musk policy.
It'd probably work, but we couldn't do that.
Hungary has new things they've done, too. You know, they have no income tax at all for any woman that has babies. Like if you have more than three kids, I think you pay no tax for the rest of your life.
You should do that. We should we we should do that. We just have to cut spending.
Well, OK, but like I, I, I, I'm just saying, you know, you're going to get different. You're going to get different outcomes than Hungary will.
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Chapter 3: What cultural and economic factors affect fertility rates in the U.S.?
uh the nationwide one is like 1.6 i think so i'd say probably 1.4 yeah it's 1.51 which amazingly is not that far off from hungary with all of these policies yeah it's actually kind of miraculous it's you look at this now hispanic women by far have the highest fertility rate then black women then white women
it's hispanic like two and a half yeah it's so the way that they count this is a separate index but hispanic women is 64.4 per 1000 i don't really know how they tabulated but it essentially that's like the crude birth yeah so the the most fertile is hispanic women no surprise there then black women and then white women are basically tied and then by far the least and you had to explain this one but that goes back is asians asians
Asians by far have the least amount of kids.
Asians are, in the US, they're higher income. They're more urbanized. They're tracking what is happening in Asian countries as well.
I remember that, though, in elementary school. I always remember all my Asian friends were only children. Maybe they had a brother or sister. Almost always. It's got to be a cultural thing.
I will say, though, just anecdotally, I will say that I think that having more kids is coming back in style with the more Christian you are. At least anecdotally, would you agree, Jack, that there is a three-plus push? And maybe, again, full disclosure, I very well might just be around wealthy people that can afford having three, four, five kids.
but unfortunately having children has become a luxury item. Let me say it this way. Having more than two kids is a luxury item in America. It is expensive. It's like objectively expensive and it takes a lot of time. And so, but Jack, I am seeing a resurgence where I think that the baby boomers, I'm, you know, I'm a child of baby boomers.
It was like, I'll have one of each where now it's like, no, I might have two, three, four, or even five.
And go ahead. One of the, you know, I guess, thought crimes on this could also be that the the math for both parents working actually drops off as you increase children. Right. So having one kid in daycare, OK, not super expensive. Now, all of a sudden you've got two kids in daycare. Now, now it is getting really expensive. Three kids, four kids. Now, wait a minute.
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Chapter 4: Why did the U.S. birth rate decline after COVID despite lockdowns?
My grandparents had eight or nine kids apiece. My parents had four to six kids apiece. And now, you know, good Mormons are having two to three kids apiece. And maybe, you know, the next generation will be having zero to one point eight kids apiece. And it's that big. It's sort of the breakdown of what your normal environment is.
If everyone around you is normally having six kids, the normal thing to do is to have six kids. And you see that gradual slide away. So you'd almost have to say like in China where I mentioned where they're doing these things. A lot of what China does is just propaganda. It's the government coming out and saying the person who has six kids is better than you.
The person who has the most kids is a better citizen than you are. And if we're just wildly throwing around ideas that will never happen because we're not allowed to have cool ideas here, you'd almost say, like, what if you could only vote if you were like if you are a married couple with a kid, you can vote and also vote your kids vote. But actually, you can't vote. Oh, you get an extra vote.
You get an extra vote. You get an extra vote.
If you're not married, you can't you can't vote. Sorry, you're not a full citizen. That would be an idea.
I love the extra vote.
It's sort of like, you know, in. That old Heinlein novel, Starship, the actual book Starship Troopers. Service means citizenship. I'd love to see a map. And service or citizenship requires service, whatever the slogan was. It gets to be like. Yes, citizenship.
Citizenship requires sex having. Requires service. Yeah. And no, we know that married couples always tend to vote more conservative. That's and certainly when when people get older, as they have kids, they do tend to be more conservative. So that's. Generally, as a movement, that is something that we should be pushing and also something that we should be pushing in terms of the country.
You know, we don't want to be a country where we're forced to, you know, hollow out our population replacement by replacing them with like like like, you know, more immigrants, which is what we've been doing since the 1970s, essentially. and saying, oh, well, you know, who is going to do these jobs? Let's open the floodgates. And that's created all these other problems.
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Chapter 5: What are potential policy solutions to encourage pro-family growth in America?
And the one outlier category that exists on every poll today is that it's white college educated women are the ones that are so far distant from every single other category, even like white.
black females are closer to white men on ideology than white women are to white men on ideology that's crazy and that that alone is the thing that we probably don't talk about enough in like in like reviewing the election and everything else that has a cultural effect that's so bad for i think white relationships and when you talk about caucasian relationships the united states
That's the fracturing of society. And it would be no different than in a majority black community in Africa having such separation between female and male males on something. But we're talking about a complete ideological split between males and females happening in America right now that are white. And so you cannot expect I completely agree with you.
I think it's men probably are not probably are for sure that the likely side that wants to have more kids than women because of the direction they're going.
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Let's go to the next topic.
Ah, how about the trolley problem? We have very strong discussions of that. This is the video out of Oakland. Or do we want to talk about White Woke? We could do one of those.
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Chapter 6: What is 'dark woke' and how is it changing political discourse?
Oh, yeah, that was great.
So for Dark Woke, what can we expect?
Oh, we could imagine things that have never happened before among Democrats. They might target random people who aren't famous and just make giant villains of them on the Internet and try to blow up their lives. They could get people fired from their jobs because of things that they just said a decade ago. There's like so many unprecedented things that dark woke could do.
They could they could lock people up and deny them due process and deny them a hearing and file all sorts of extraneous charges on them for years until the Supreme Court finally steps in and shuts it down. I mean, gosh, could you imagine?
imagine if the democrats started doing that they could kick you out of the military for not taking experimental vaccine they could kick you out of polite society they could restrict your travel rights if you attended a protest and were there peacefully on january 6 2021 could you imagine Could you imagine if they were censoring your free speech rights?
Could you imagine if they were kicking you, you know, taking your children away from you because you didn't want them to be transgenderized and they would put them into other states with your ex spouse and then allow them to be transgenderized? Could you imagine if the Democrats did such things?
I think this is a – I will say that – I don't want to keep saying it. I don't want to keep on giving Democrats advice. Just do this. I'm not going to tell you what to do. Next segment.
All righty. Okay.
Well, now – And make Jasmine Crockett the face of it. I literally – yeah, do that. Show me where to donate. I will raise you money, Jasmine Crockett. We have a donor event next weekend. I will raise you $10 million. The Jasmine Crockett for presidency super PAC. I will chair it free of charge.
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Chapter 7: How are Democrats using 'dark woke' messaging and what impact does it have?
Do the opposite. OK, I will not tell you my actual advice next.
OK, so now now we're going into the Oakland thing already. I need to get the number on that video. But we were we discussed this. So this was this happened in the Bay Area and we had a very strong reaction on Twitter about it. It's a clip just to set up what people are going to see or hear. It's a guy who apparently fell onto the tracks in Oakland, and no one helps him out.
We've got to also talk about the Florida State shooter. With the Starbucks.
Oh, we have both? Okay, we'll get to both of those. Let's do the Oakland one first. We'll get to that. Let's first do number 300. Play that, please.
Get out, get out, get out, get out, get out!
This is my contribution. So did he die?
No, he got him out. He finally crawled himself. The train stopped.
miraculously but it's like this is a bad trend it's a homeless homeless white guy now i think you even see him he kind of gets out there yeah he's finally gets out and he's like why did you guys help me well so i think you can clearly tell looking at him is he's clearly not well at all No, he's a drug addict.
Yeah, he's clearly high as a kite.
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