The Charlie Kirk Show
THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 79 — Real-Life Dire Wolves? Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony?
Sat, 12 Apr 2025
Jack, Tyler, Andrew and Blake explore the week's biggest discussion threads, including: -Why are so many people rallying behind the suspected killer of Austin Metcalf, and was the slaying racial in nature? -Is it moral to genetically alter your kids? -Is the last Game of Thrones book EVER coming out? Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What happened in the Austin Metcalf murder case?
There are two crowd funds now, one for legal reasons.
defenses for carmelo anthony and then one for the family of austin metcalf and it's it's almost like they're kind of competing to see who can raise or which sides can raise more money in the case the one on gofundme for austin metcalf as we record this has over three hundred ten thousand dollars whereas the legal defense fund for carmelo anthony
has 284 000 so they both sit right around the 300 000 mark and you know i guess we'll go to we'll go to blake first really quickly is is blake you know when you when when you're looking at this case let's let's talk about it from the facts perspective so carmelo anthony his supporters say that he was acting in self-defense Is there anything that you've seen – and I'm sorry to put you on the spot.
I don't know if you've really dug into this case or not. I know you're on the tour with Charlie there. But is there anything that you've seen that would provide for this self-defense argument?
Well, a lot more details are going to come out on this, I have to imagine. It is all very vague what took place. It does seem to be a lot of rumors. I think the most recent accounts for what happened, as they say, it was a seating dispute. I believe it was reported on Fox recently. Whether it was a seat or not, it seems that Carmelo was allegedly...
It was for a sporting event, and he was where the other team was supposed to be. So it might have been that he was fraternizing before a match. It might have been that he was causing mischief before a match. Unclear. I haven't heard more details on that. I think the reason they're saying self-defense.
I should have called for this because we actually do have the side on it. Let's play real quick 2-2-1. This is what Blake is talking about.
school track meet in Frisco, Texas. They're trying to figure out how this guy even got a knife in there in the first place. It happened in Frisco, just outside of Dallas. Witnesses say Anthony was under the opposing team's tent and wouldn't leave when he was asked to. That's when witnesses say Metcalf stepped in. Anthony reportedly challenged him, saying, touch me and see what happens.
When Metcalf grabbed him, John, police say Anthony pulled out a black knife and stabbed him right in the chest. According to reports, Metcalf died in his twin brother's arms.
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Chapter 2: What are the facts and controversies surrounding Carmelo Anthony's self-defense claim?
Okay. So, yeah, that's pretty much what you had said before. I had heard some other information about, you know, it was raining and, you know, it's a track meet. If anyone does run track, you know, they kind of set up those tents on the bleachers. But, you know, each team, and there could be multiple teams there, multiple schools there at a track meet. That's kind of how it works.
So, you know, each team will set up their tent for the bleachers and bleachers.
you know we don't have the information exactly on on whose team was supposed to be where or anything like this and um but what's really been crazy is i've also seen there's there's been a ton of misinformation that's spread people were even making like i don't know if you guys have seen this there have been fake facebook posts that were made by the sheriffs talking that some they literally made a fake post from the frisco police or you know the sheriff's department saying that
oh, there was a fight and there was a huge altercation and that Austin Metcalf, the white kid, had been attacking the black kid and he was trying to throw him off the bleachers and that's why he responded, et cetera, et cetera. And that was completely fake. And actually the sheriff's department had to even put out a statement to say, hey, this isn't a real post.
We have no information on this at all. And the actual police report has nothing about that in there. So I guess, yeah, Blake, I'll let you finish your point. But it's just crazy to me to see that there are so many fake facts floating around about this. Just like in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, by the way, there were fake facts floating everywhere.
And people aren't even sticking to actually try to figure out what happened.
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Chapter 3: How has social media influenced public opinion and fundraising in this case?
Yeah, exactly. And like we said, more will come out about this. And so to get at why this is becoming a politically resonant topic, so you have a ton of money being raised in what seems to be
superficially at least a pretty like a nasty case that would not justify stabbing someone to death and it's like carmelo anthony has become a hero a cause celeb i'm looking at his give send go page right now it's up to 284 thousand dollars raised and it's pouring in there was a one thousand dollar donation within the last 30 minutes as i look at this and raising more and more money.
Some people have complained that it should be taken down. I would not agree with that. I like the fact that GiveSendGo's position is it's a free platform. You can raise money for things. And of course, people have the right to a criminal defense. People have the right to donate to support someone's criminal defense. I'm glad we had a place where we could do that for Kyle Rittenhouse.
I think that option should exist for people. But the bigger picture, of course, is whether people have a right to donate to this or not, should they be donating to it? And where this has become a cause for debate, as I'm sure you could elaborate on, Jack, or we can loop in Andrew and Tyler here, is it has...
become a racially tinged thing that the idea is Carmelo Anthony is being railroaded or targeted in a racial manner that Austin Metcalf arguably deserve to be stabbed to death when there seems to be very little argument that that's the case.
And then competing with this is the fact that people are, you see this in a lot of cases where people are coming out and aggressively saying, don't ever bring up the racial angle to this.
When we know, because we've lived through it many times, that if you did turn this case around in terms of who was the stabber and who was the stabby, that it would be number one story in the country and relentlessly politicized and relentlessly racialized. Let's get, I want to get Andrew in on this.
Yeah, I mean, I actually, I haven't seen this clip yet. I want to play it because I have so many thoughts, but I do want to see this 2-2-1. We didn't just play that one, did we? 2-2-1, touch me and see what happens. Did we see that? Yeah, yeah. Maybe you did. Now I'm remembering. So, but I'm reading according to the arrest affidavit, witnesses told police that Anthony warned Metcalf.
So Carmelo Anthony warned Austin Metcalf the white kid, not to touch him, and then he reached into his bag. When Metcalf reportedly touched him, Anthony dared him to throw a punch. One witness claimed that Metcalf then grabbed Anthony to get him to move, at which point Anthony allegedly pulled out the knife and stabbed him once in the chest before fleeing.
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Chapter 4: What is the racial angle and political significance of the Austin Metcalf case?
We had fights break out after every football game in my, at my school, they would, they meet up at the Wendy's parking lot. They would get into fistfights and, It was one team fighting the other. You have this stuff happen all the time, like where kids are constantly just like, get off my turf type stuff. We've seen it. You've seen it happen at the mall. You see it happen all the time.
So this sounds like to me, the story that's been told sounds like a pretty standard high school confrontation. And I don't think anyone would ever expect someone to pull out a weapon, especially at a track meet or a football game or something where there's probably maybe hundreds of people that are around. I don't know how many people are there.
I don't think anyone would ever expect to have a knife pulled on them and get stabbed in the chest. You know, and I think worst case scenario, you've heard about situations where someone's pulled out a weapon and kind of flaunted and be like, oh, yeah, back up. And that would have been bad enough.
But this the amount of psychopathic tendency that you have to have to have a weapon carried on you and at the moment of being challenged just to have the immediate reaction to stab somebody.
tells me that number one this kid has had been probably running in dangerous circles as it is and you know that they were they were he was willing that he was willing to do that and that should point more to you know what we've seen coming out of some high schools it was like that gang mentality and that type of stuff that really isn't being handled because you know policing isn't being handled because nobody wants to do any of that especially when race comes into the question
Well, and they said this wasn't the first time that he'd had a knife incident at school, but actually that they knew he had brought knives in the past. So when you're talking about metal detectors and bag checks, it's like you'd think that a student resource officer or whatever, a school resource officer, would kind of know, like, oh, hey, that's the knife kid. Make sure you double-check him.
Well, and he said this to police. He said, I'm not alleged. I did it. and stated that Metcalf had placed his hands on him after being told not to. That to me is just thuggish behavior. I'm sorry. I'm just going to call it what it is. That is somebody that has been idolizing like gang culture, rap culture, thug culture. And it's like big man. Oh, nobody's going to mess with you. You touch me.
I'm going to kill you. Like as if that is somehow to be lauded and looked up to. No, if you want to tell somebody that they're not allowed to put their hands on you, then use your fists or not at all. Like, sorry, you don't pull out a knife and stab a dude in the chest because he puts his hand on you when he asks you to leave. Like, this is insane.
And the fact that there is anybody, anybody supporting those actions is beyond the pale and really an indictment of of some really sick twisted narratives that are floating around this country.
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Chapter 5: How did Austin Metcalf's father respond to the tragedy and media coverage?
So, no, not only is there no element of self-defense here, there's actually lots of arguments against it.
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Blake, why don't you call out the elephant in the room here? I think you're 100% right. We're messaging.
We're talking – we can go back and forth on self-defense argument, but the reason this is a national news story is not the finer points of self-defense law because unfortunately teenagers do kill each other in the United States with depressing regularity. Two things are really – driving what makes this a topic.
And I think the first thing we should do is to set this up is we should play the dad's reaction. So this is Austin Metcalf's father talking on television. I think the clip that we want is 202. Let's play that clip.
It's very unfortunate that this other child decided to make a bad choice that's going to affect him for the rest of his life. I have compassion for every human being. This is not, I want to make this very clear. This is not a race issue. This is not a black and white issue. I don't want someone stepping up on a soapbox trying to politicize this.
I don't appreciate some of the remarks I've seen online that people say there was this fight and there was, they don't know. They weren't there.
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Chapter 6: What broader social issues does this case highlight about violence and race in America?
Now, what I will say is I would never question or criticize how a parent specifically chooses to respond to a tragic event because I think it's understandable. I think if you've experienced a huge personal loss, it would probably be traumatic and upsetting to have it be at the center of a national political discussion. I am entirely sympathetic to that. Nonetheless...
It is a pattern that people have noticed that this occurs a lot. It's happened a lot in, for example, cases where illegal immigrants have killed people. A lot of people remember Molly Tibbetts. This would have been about, I want to say, eight or like seven or eight years ago.
She was a young woman tragically killed by an illegal immigrant in Iowa, and her father had this thing where actually illegal immigrants are better than native Iowans, and we should not be angry that his daughter was pointlessly murdered. This sort of thing occurs...
with disturbing regularity and people are like, why, why is this a moral script that so many people feel driven towards adopting of, you know, we have to be clear, anything that's happening, there is no political angle to this. There is no racial angle to it because that is, as we were saying, it's the elephant in the room here. There are a lot of.
It's not just anything. It's only in these cases. Right. If it's another case, like, say, I don't know, George Floyd, that's all about race. That's about race before anyone even says anything. So it's like it's like it's this huge double standard that you're getting at. And I'll let you finish. But I want to say it's it's not just any case.
It's only when the victim is a white kid like this or something like that. Then it's then it's, oh, don't talk about Ray or, you know, Molly Tibbetts, et cetera. It's all not about race, not about race. But if it's George Floyd or or any, you know, Trayvon Martin, et cetera, it's race from the very start and nothing else is allowed to be talked about. Sorry, go ahead.
Precisely that that's the thought crime aspect to it is there are unfortunately a lot of teenagers who are accused of murder. And a rational question to ask is, is Carmelo Anthony getting arrested?
300 000 in legal defense funds essentially because he killed a white kid and some people i'm not going to question the motives of every single person who donates but is the idea that some people like the idea that he could stab a white kid to death and get away with it kind of like there were people who wanted oj to get away with it and there have been takes people were like this was our
this was getting revenge for, for Rodney King or, or for the LA riots generally. Like, is that impulse manifesting itself? You're saying people who donate. Yes. Yeah. Some people who donated to this may be motivated by they like the idea. Could he get away with this?
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Chapter 7: How does the panel discuss the role of education, community safety, and youth behavior?
But the point is, it's like you have the white father saying it's not about race because this thing has gone so, so deep into the subconscious of a certain subsection of America. And then you've got younger Americans that have been like, well, listen, we were told it wasn't about race and it was post-racial. And yet the world that we live in has become more racialized than ever.
So it's like we tried to live up to our end of the bargain. Now, I know there's big part of the country that doesn't agree with that. But I certainly grew up in an America where it felt like all the white kids were trying to be post-racial and it's like, we didn't, we didn't get reached out to on the other side. The other side didn't live up to their end of the bargain.
And so now, now we got to have these conversations again and we got to be honest about it. And the younger you are, the more willing you are to be honest, in my opinion. And I think it's telling that Austin Metcalf's dad of a certain age so quickly went to that, that, that line that very well might not be true at all.
Yeah, and you see it again and again, and it's become this sort of script. And in fact, at humanevents.com, we've had pieces about how the DOJ actually had a unit where I believe that Pam Bondi is working to shut down this unit. They call it the Community Relations Unit. services where they would go around in these racially charged crimes and actually ask parents to say things like that. No way.
This came up under the Obama – oh, 100 percent. And this came up in the Obama administration, and it's being worked to put – to tamp down now. But I wrote a piece kind of just for Twitter, and I said this is sort of the breaking point of the white guilt narrative. And so what's the white guilt narrative?
And it goes back to this 1965 essay by James Baldwin that I think that we'll all – we'd all recognize where it's – he said that the white man's guilt is a, quote, curtain of guilt and lies behind which white Americans hide, unable to confront the realities of their history.
And talk about how this narrative of sort of white guilt then became the cornerstone of progressive ideology, DEI, and all these things that we talk about that say that white privilege is mainstream and these ideas of systemic racism. But it also created a sort of cultural hierarchy of moral culpability where there's an idea that –
Being labeled a racist is currently the worst possible thing that you could be labeled as in your entire – in the entire country. It's in fact – it's so taboo. Our whole country is basically really in sort of the post-World War II consensus. And definitely in the civil rights era has been the it is the largest crime.
And something that when I was on Tucker, I talked about this, that I've always thought it was very fascinating. Jeffrey Dahmer, of all people. So people, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer, he was the serial killer, but he predominantly targeted black individuals and in fact, black teenagers. You know, I think it was like 16 was the 16, 17 up to like early 20s.
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