The Charlie Kirk Show
The Death Penalty? Israel v. Hamas? Calm Under Fire? + More From USF Tabling
Tue, 01 Apr 2025
Charlie holds another of his Prove Me Wrong table, this time taking questions at the University of South Florida. Charlie debates whether a person can be both pro-life and pro-death penalty, Israel vs Hamas, and even changes to emergency broadcasting rules, of all things. Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the focus of Charlie Kirk's USF visit?
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Hi, Charlie. My name's Cameron. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about some contradictions that I heard in your arguments. So on the topic of foster care, you mentioned earlier that you were in favor of cutting social welfare programs, and that would include foster care because those people are dependent on it. So I don't understand how you could be pro-life. I
But then after the kids are born, you're advocating for less social protections for them.
So I don't remember. Did I say I wanted to cut social welfare programs? Well, when did I say that?
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Chapter 2: Can you be pro-life and pro-death penalty?
I'll show you.
Hold on a second. GoPro footage of hours uninterrupted of Hamas terrorists wearing GoPros, slitting little babies' throats, going into rock concerts and indiscriminately raping women, kidnapping them and bringing them back to Gaza. If you'd like to watch that footage, you can. But you said, I need a clear answer. Just make sure I'm clear. A genocide is the targeted mass killing of people.
So Hamas is guilty of genocide.
Yeah, but correlating... Okay, do you believe in... This is off topic, but... No, I'm glad you said yes. No, the Bill of Rights, look. So therefore... The Second, Third, and Fourth Amendment, do you believe in them?
Yes, the right to bear arms, the right not to have soldiers quartered, and the right to privacy. Exactly. We can keep going.
So as Israel has been violating those for nearly the course of 100 years, how would you feel? If you invite someone into your home and you let them stay as a guest when they were oppressed... Well, hold on a sec.
So... First of all, the Second Amendment is not applicable outside of the shores of the United States. So not sure where you're going with that. But I want to make sure I'm clear. Let me just have you answer this final question. If a foreign power commits genocide against you, as you admit Hamas did, how should Israel respond? By... Okay.
How should Israel respond? They're allowed to defend themselves most definitely, but not to the extent they have done. It's killing 65,000 people for 1,200 and bombing civilian areas. 70% of their casualties are women and children, and the average age of a child in Gaza is 18 years old. So first of all... Where are we drawing the line and the shade of gray between black and white?
Who's right, who's wrong? We don't know. Well, who started it? Israel, most definitely. Hold on.
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Chapter 3: Why is the foster care system controversial?
To improve your dog's health, just add a scoop of Ruff Greens. That is ruffgreens.com. If Israel laid down all of their weapons and said our military is no more, what would happen?
At this point in time, I don't believe they would come to a two-state solution after everything that's gone on. That wasn't the question. If Israel disbanded its military, what would happen? The Palestinians would take over, but they would let the Jews... Listen, listen, listen. Not forcefully. This is how they operate. This is how Muslims operate Islamically.
They let them live under them in Jizya. They tax them and they let them live and they take that tax and give it back to them. How do you think the Ottoman Empire worked and lasted 600 years? How do you think the golden age of Islam lasted and lasted for 300 years? Because this is history.
So, no, I just want to make sure I understand. So they would just take over mostly peacefully?
No, most definitely peacefully because that's what their basis is.
Can you show me an example? of Jews living peacefully under Islamic rule?
Most definitely. Where?
When the Hamas had Israeli captives. Have you seen the pictures? The Israeli captives they killed?
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Chapter 4: How does Charlie Kirk view social welfare programs?
They're not killed.
There was a nine-month-old baby that just got returned home as a corpse. They're not killed. By Hamas. No, but I am interested by what you're saying. So, again, this is why it's important on this topic to stay on the moral domain, because all of your numbers are wrong. 65,000 kids have not died.
I didn't say 65,000 kids. I said 65,000 Palestinians, and 1.7 million have been displaced, creating one of the largest refugees.
None of that is correct, and that's okay. It's fraction. I don't believe any of the numbers. However, the point is this. If Israel laid down its weapons... Yes. They would be eliminated. No, they would not. You just admitted they would take over Israel. If Hamas laid down their weapons, we would have peace. Most definitely not.
The Israelis would keep doing what they have been doing. They have the right to resistance. They have a ceasefire, bro. They have a ceasefire currently, but prior to that. When anyone else in the world...
The emotions of this topic are very high. Obviously, my allegiance is first and foremost to America. I'm interested in it just from a moral standpoint, though, which is why is it? Help me understand. There are well over 40 Muslim-majority countries in the world. over a billion Muslims. Israel is the size of New Jersey, and it has half the world's jewelry, about 7 million people.
Why can't you just let Israel exist and leave it alone? Why the focus? Why the intensity? Why the anger?
There's no anger.
There's no anger?
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Chapter 5: What are the arguments for and against the death penalty?
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I feel like my question is kind of silly after a couple others who have been up here. But I just wanted to know because, you know, I wrote a lot in college about how campuses are not designed for the nuclear family. And it kind of caused some waves at my university because I was on the newspaper there.
And so now later post-college, you know, I thought about doing podcasting and talking with people, but I found it very difficult sometimes to remain calm in a debate. So how do you remain so calm when someone who is dissenting or even the crowd gets obviously heated?
I will say, look, I naturally do not have a lot of self-control, but I believe it's a fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and, of course, the last one, self-control. And I believe that those of us that are Christians should invite the Holy Spirit into our life on a daily basis. And that is a fruit of the Spirit.
Okay, thanks.
That's the best answer I have.
All right.
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