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Pop Culture Power Hour: Joe Burrow's Surprise Houseguest, Jay-Z's Abuse Allegations, Duke Lacrosse Accuser Recants
Sat, 14 Dec 2024
The Pop Culture Power Hour featuring Producer Daisy is back by popular demand. Daisy, Andrew, and Blake discuss all the cultural stories Charlie is too busy saving America to know the details of, including abuse allegations against Jay-Z, the surprising woman found at Joe Burrow's house after a burglary, and the Duke Lacrosse accuser's belated admission that she made up the entire story all those years ago.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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I am joined this hour by... resident talents, Blake Neff and Daisy Phelps, our resident culture expert, pop culture expert, I would say. Yeah, that's you. You're also our resident Swifty. We try not to judge her too harshly for that.
But I've got to say she was totally correct on Taylor Swift's impact on the presidential election. There was a lot of stuff where people were thinking Taylor Swift is their secret weapon. They have this whole plan for her to make it Kamala. And Daisy just said she's going to do some like one off endorsement and it's not going to matter and she's not going to talk about it again.
And she was right. And that she did it then like second the debate ended. So then no one talked about it. It wasn't in the news at all.
Yeah, I've got to give her credit where credit's due. She nailed that one.
I don't feel as obligated to give her credit, but I will say I actually had the same instinct. I feel like the blowback on Taylor Swift in 2020 was, I would say, pretty harsh from half the country, and therefore she wanted to find a way to sort of thread the needle, do what she felt like she'd check the box and move on. And you were right, Daisy. You were right. Thank you. All right, so...
But that is not where we're starting. If anywhere, we're starting on the other pop culture icon, female singer, more with the Beyonce side. Because some massive, massive, I wouldn't say revelations, but allegations have come out that
involving jay-z now so we all know about what's going on with puff daddy all right uh p diddy is did he use the puff anymore has he used on comb i've never heard anyone refer to him as that like it's only diddy i don't know if it's like a generational thing or what but i think it's obsolete it's i think andrew might be showing his generation here Yes, I am.
I'm very millennial in this conversation. So here's but I was I was planning on going down the list. I actually think that the waterfall of names is a pretty funny thing. I mean, you've got something similar with with who am I thinking of? We'll skip that, I guess. But there's names. See, this is how bad I am at pop culture, which is why you're here, Daisy. So here's the point.
Oh, it's like Lion, right? What's the guy's name? I'm really lost now.
You have Blake, who doesn't know anything about pop culture, and me, who wasn't conscious for any pop culture until, like, 2010. So...
Snoop Dogg, Snoop Lion, there was, like, stuff like... Anyways.
Snoop Doggy Dogg. My only knowledge of Snoop Dogg is when he, like, came back for his, like, second or third career with Martha Stewart and now does all those, like, random collabs with her.
I know. He's so, like, establishment and brand vibe now. He's doing, like, this guy who was literally in gangs. Anyways, that's another story. So, okay. So, Diddy... a very high profile case against him, freak offs, he was recording people doing terrible things, inviting them, underage women have come out and sued him, allegations of rape, very disturbing things.
Now, which is interesting because there's a lawyer named Tony Busby who's been on this show when he was defending Ken Paxton from impeachment in Texas, He is now representing many of these accusers, and he sent a letter that I believe we have a copy of, 135. Actually, he sent a letter making these allegations, and then Jay-Z replied back with this. This is a wild letter that Jay-Z wrote back.
Daisy, tell us more about this letter. It is. It's very... It seems like he wrote it.
Yeah, it's... Like, he... To write this letter, you almost think someone, like, has to be innocent because it's gonna... Like, this is even worse if it comes out that this stuff is true and he wrote this entire letter. One weird thing I did find about this letter is that he writes that he is just a young man from the Bronx or from Brooklyn, from the project out of Brooklyn.
Jay-Z's, like, almost 60. So I don't know why he's referring to himself as a young man. But basically... Diddy was already in this lawsuit from Busby with a 13 year old girl who said she was raped in 2000 at an after party, a VMA after party. And there was a male celebrity and an unnamed celebrity, female celebrity there.
And then they named the male celebrity as Jay-Z, which Jay-Z and Beyonce are very publicly friends with Diddy. They've always been friends with Diddy. And so people have been, like, talking about their connection with Diddy ever since this grand jury indictment stuff came down on Diddy. He was arrested, everything like that.
And this was the first person that was actually named, which Tony Busby did say a couple weeks ago when Diddy was first arrested. He said, like, names will be coming out. It's people that you would have never expected. Everyone is involved in this. And I think that people in... Just like everyone online kind of saw it as like an Epstein thing.
Like everyone's really excited to get the list, but no one actually believes that we're going to get the list. It's just one of those things that it's going to live on in conspiracy theories. And then we got this Jay-Z name and people were like, Oh, my gosh. We might actually be getting more names. And Tony Busby says that he's not backing down from this. He's going to keep naming names.
But Jay-Z's letter is very, very intense. He, like, released it on his business brand Instagram account. And he's very adamant that he did not do this. And he calls out Tony Busby and says, like, you're a Marine. You're supposed to know what honor is. And you messed with the wrong person. And Tony Busby said that he's not backing down. And this is still... An ongoing case.
Blake. Yeah, Blake. He makes a point in this letter where he says, if you believe all this stuff is true, why don't you why? Why is this not a criminal case? Which I actually thought was an interesting point. He said, you know, if you believe that a minor is getting raped and you say I did it, why are you?
why is this a civil case explain that well so keep in mind uh it is a lower burden of proof and a lot of these cases they are old and hearsay and this will just be me controversial these sorts of sorted cases they do get a lot of their mileage out of just how incredibly scandalous it is and let's be honest a lot of the time people are they're looking for a payout they're looking for
yeah like a settlement yeah they're looking for a settlement and that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen but I think there are certainly plenty of cases where they play up minor behavior to make it seem much more severe or they invent stuff out of whole cloth and I'm just going to be controversial and say I think people have learned the script at this point where if you come forward at the right time because he's already someone who's vulnerable because the diddy thing is happening there's a bit of a feeding frenzy so
2000.
2000. That is 24 years ago. That's before everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. That's before there's cameras showing where everyone is at all times. So you could very plausibly... You can basically just make whatever allegation you want. And could it ever be proven?
I don't think so. This girl is still remaining anonymous. She goes by Jane Doe in the lawsuit. So they're... I don't know. There's a lot that goes into the Beyonce. I mean, Diddy's stuff is very provable. Everyone knows he's a horrible person, so I think it does play into the whole Me Too thing.
There's an element of a girl can say this, and a Jay-Z who has a net worth of $2.5 billion or something like that could be like, okay, I'll give you a million dollars.
That's without even other possibilities. Sometimes people are just nuts. There's a person I know who was...
basically being it didn't even end up getting filed but they were like privately accused by someone and it seemed like there were all these signs oh this would be this could be real this person like has you know is a respected member of the community and like it just turned out the person was actually mentally had like mental problems and like they were just targeting a famous person
Well, I mean, we've seen, we had, I think we had that guy on the show, but we've seen this like ruin people's lives that like Jay-Z, it wouldn't have as big of an impact as it would have on like a C-list celebrity. Like this is their entire reputation, but I don't know. There's like, I feel like there's equal opportunity.
The most interesting aspect of this that we haven't hit on yet is it's caused people to finally ask like, wait, how did Jay-Z actually meet Beyonce? Because now people are saying, were they, were they a couple when she was... 16 instead of when she was 19?
I have seen this, but there's a lot there.
Well, yeah, put up 142, the B-roll there. This is like, so Beyonce was born in 1981 and Jay-Z was born in 1969, it looks like.
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So we just finished talking about Jay-Z and Diddy. jay-z is married to beyonce beyonce is also close with diddy when diddy got arrested it started this whole firestorm on the internet tiktok x instagram that basically people on the internet are believing that jay-z and beyonce have killed people how many people There's three that are specific.
That's a lot of people.
So one of these people is Michael Jackson. Not that they've like specifically killed them, but that there is some sort of high up power ring in Hollywood. People have always been discussing this and that it has had some sort of hand. In their deaths. So Michael Jackson.
I do want to hear the rest. I just want to make very clear these are allegations. These are Internet rumors. Continue.
People on the Internet are believing this. People on the Internet have long believed there's like a Hollywood power ring that controls things. It's all very conspiratorial. And after the Diddy stuff, people started to put together the deaths of Michael Jackson.
alia who i don't know who that is but at one point was very famous and lisa lopez also known as left eye andrew do you know who that is blake doesn't know who that is i don't know who that is but she was a famous singer
from tlc you were saying they all have the same birthday yeah so well so jay-z beyonce and diddy were all born on the fourth and then they all have like album titles that have the number four in there fourth of a month and then lisa lopez michael jackson and alia all died on the 25th okay so why would they want that pattern I don't know, but people have started to put this together.
And then there's a song called She Knows by J. Cole. We can't play it on the radio, obviously. But J. Cole mentions in this song all three of their deaths and said, like, the whole song is like, she knows. She knows. We all know that she knows. And then all these award shows, people winning Grammys, video awards, and... they all thank Beyonce when they win. So we have a couple of those.
We have a couple of those clips. Let me let me put up. So 136 is Lizzo thanking Beyonce when she wins her Grammy.
Beyonce, you changed my life. You sang that gospel medley and the way you made me feel. I was like, I want to make people feel this way with my music. So thank you so much.
And then 137 is Adele thanking Beyonce for her Grammy in 2017.
Tonight winning this kind of fills full circle. And I'm very humbled and I'm very grateful and gracious. My artist of my life is Beyonce and this album for me. The Lemonade album was just so monumental, Beyonce.
And so well thought out. And so beautiful and soul-bearing. We f***ing adore you. You are our light. And the way that you make me and my friends feel, the way you make my black friends feel is empowering. And you make them stand up for themselves. And I love you. I always have.
And then I think probably everyone remembers, I don't know if you remember this, but clip 141, Kanye West interrupting Taylor Swift. Even I remember this one. Okay, at the VMAs. And this clip has kind of lived in infamy. Everyone's talked about it.
But it got resurfaced because after all these Beyonce conspiracy theories started happening, everyone was like, wait, maybe Kanye West was trying to protect Taylor Swift. Because if you don't thank her... If you don't thank her, then who knows what's going to happen, allegedly.
This is like the plot of like a...
horror movie or something i think if this i mean obviously this is all alleged i think ryan murphy could make a really cool tv show if you don't say beyonce three times to the mirror yeah like appear with like a kitchen knife yeah so we have we have 141 of connie interrupting taylor if we if we want to play it for the throwback uh i sing country music so thank you so much for giving me a chance to win a vma award go taylor
I'm really happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish. But Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. One of the best videos of all time.
He was just trying to save her life.
Maybe. I think that was like 2008. 2010, I think.
Yeah. I think it happened when I was just starting college. Maybe 09. Maybe 09.
I remember it. Also, Angelo, very helpful, sent me a note that Lisa Lopez is from TLC. They sing the Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls song.
I don't know that song.
I know that song, but I know it from they sing it in We're the Millers. So I don't really know it.
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All right, so before we leave this Jay-Z thing and this Diddy thing, I do want to bring up the LeBron James angle. This is something, you know, maybe I forgot Snoop Lion, Snoop Dogg or whatever, but I do follow sports closely. And LeBron James has for many years, basically 20 years in the league, been the best player in the league ever.
essentially, if you take it by average, there's been years where some other players would come up and take him. But here's what I will say. 20, 22 years in the league, he's been basically the best player. He's taken time away from the game. And he is now, for personal reasons, he mislikes 23 pointers in a row, something that has never happened in his career. He's saying he's gassed. He's tired.
He's saying, you know, he may not play in the league that much longer. So there's a lot of rumors going on about LeBron. Is he going to get traded? Is there something else going on? So all of this kind of overlaps with the Jay-Z Diddy scandal that's going on.
the fact that jay-z just got looped into this and is there going to be something with lebron now this is all internet rumor obviously unsubstantiated we have no reason to believe this is true but i will say there is this one clip that is is is circulating remember the freak offs are the big story with diddy and all of the mishaps that have happened there the criminality allegations of rape
go ahead and play cut 124 this is a a from a sort of like a i guess there's an instagram stream daisy maybe you know um where you know lebron joined diddy and he's got diddy's got his friends or maybe even his son behind him and they're they're talking about diddy's parties 124. hey everybody know ain't no party like a diddy party so yeah that's your son not a good look
Yeah, and we were throwing that B-roll up there too of them together, which I hope we can still play. But so now there's all this speculation with Jay-Z getting wrapped up into it. Maybe LeBron is having – knows something's coming down the pike. But again – Internet rumors, speculation. I'm sure Blake will tell me there's nothing to this story.
I think LeBron – the thing about LeBron, like super villainous stuff with LeBron is LeBron is sort of – like when he's annoying, it's almost in this like childish way, if that makes any sense. Like one thing that never got investigated at like the peak of the, you know, kind of like I don't think it was during Floyd. It might have been slightly before it.
But like he very obviously faked someone faked a hate crime against LeBron's front door where they were like someone graffitied hateful stuff. And like considering it's LeBron James, a very famous person, this got. No one was talking about it very soon after and they've never spoken of it since. I think it's very obvious something suspicious happened there.
And then like the things where he'll try to be a thought leader and he'll just be reading the first page of every book. Like there's no evidence LeBron James has ever read past the second page of any book ever. And like, and obviously the decision, like he's, he's always just like corny. And then, you know, he won't say anything bad about China. Cause like, that's the brand. And, um,
I find it hard to believe a guy who goofs up in all of these funny ways would be involved in anything super sinister with Diddy. Is LeBron even rumored to cheat on his wife? All of these guys are really bad. And then he's just a family guy. He wants to be a dad. He wants his son to be in the NBA, even though he's not that good at basketball.
Well, he does know about ditty parties. And I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. I think the two things can be true. I think if we do end up getting lists of names from these ditty parties as people talk about it, I think there's probably a lot of people that were just...
happened to be invited happened to be there and i think they were more likely they were like secondary parties happening like downstairs outside who knows where where the real shady stuff went down and they were probably like are you good are you gonna tell anyone ndas that kind of thing
How many people would just get invited to a billionaire rapper's party and be like, yeah, he's a billionaire rapper. I'm going to go. And then they go and they're like, that was kind of weird.
I'm sure that there are a lot of people that are probably really scared right now because they might be in photographs or someone might mention them that they were at a Diddy party. And they're just like normal people that were there. I think that a lot of times people can get really riled up about the power ring of Hollywood. I do think there are normal people in Hollywood still.
But there also might be something crazy happening.
They have money. Well, I think you're right, Daisy, because there's a lot of photographs of like Ellen DeGeneres with, you know, she was really close to Diddy and she had the tweet about cuddling Diddy or something. Anyways, she's now in Great Britain and we don't have to deal with Ellen DeGeneres anymore. Yeah, her house flooded immediately upon going. It's almost like karma.
So, hey, Blake, you really want to hit this story about Joe Burrow.
So take it away. I know nothing about it. It's great. Daisy knows a lot about this, too. It perfectly overlaps. And, you know, it's a better sport than the NBA, in my opinion. So Joe Burrow is the quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals. He is very good. The Bengals... Are not so good. It's been a weird season. He's having one of the best seasons ever for a guy on a losing team.
But they were on Monday Night Football this week. And I can't remember. Did they win this time or did they lose in another back-breaking fashion?
They lost to the Cowboys, I think.
Oh, wait. No, the Cowboys lost.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The Cowboys.
It was close, though.
Wacky punt. Well, the Cowboys blocked that punt.
Yeah.
And then it was recovered by the Bengals. So, like, they should have had a good play. 27-20.
Big disaster. The Bengals won.
They won. But anyway.
But they're both 5-8 this year.
The downside here is some organized burglars, you know, they knew Joe Burrow was going to be on Monday Night Football. So they went and they burgled his house.
while he was on you know while he was at the stadium and it turns out the house was not empty and i had never heard of the person who was there but daisy had heard of the person who was there so daisy how about you explain what they found there
So Olivia Ponton, she is a Sports Illustrated model, an influencer, TikToker. And she's the one. So the story goes that she got to Joe Burrow's house and she called her mom and told her mom that someone.
robbed his house and that there was a broken window and a bunch of stuff was taken and her mom called the police and said my daughter olivia ponton is at joe burroughs house there was a burglary she didn't want to call it in olivia ends up calling the police and the police ask her why she's there and she says that she is an employee of joe burroughs
Which makes no sense because she I mean, she's extremely famous. And I don't she also like she lives in L.A. Joe Burrow lives in Cleveland. I don't also at what point, like when you're playing Monday Night Football, would your employee just be at your house unless they're like your housekeeper or something?
And she was able to give the police that she was able to give a detailed description of everything that was missing in the house. Where this gets even more interesting is that Joe Burrow has had a longtime girlfriend who's a normal girl. He went to college in Ohio, right?
I can't remember where, but yes.
Yes, Ohio State. Okay.
Louisiana, LSU. He went to Ohio State, then LSU.
So they met at Ohio State back before he was like the Joe Burrow that everyone knew. They met like their freshman year at Ohio State and have been dating ever since they've been dating for like almost eight years. And Joe Burrow gave a statement in his press conference. And he was like, clearly, a lot of my personal life was already outed already. I don't really want to talk about it anymore.
So no one said anything. But it's a very, very interesting story.
But then it does seem that people have discussed like there haven't been a photo of him with this long term girlfriend for like a year.
But they were already pretty private.
Yeah.
And I don't I don't know. It's it's weird. But then also the NFL was like sent on a memo to everyone that said this has been happening like more than once. People during their games, their houses are getting.
That's so this is this is when you might not remember this because you have been young. But have you ever heard of Sean Taylor?
I don't know.
Sean Taylor was a player for the Washington Redskins who they were doing that. They were trying to break into his home during a game. He had been injured and they didn't realize that. So he was not at the game. He was at home with his family. And then they shot and killed him.
I was seven. Yes.
So this is it's a crazy thing. And I'm just going to come out and say it. It's probably going to be more common now because we have let organized burglary rings into the United States under Joe Biden's illustrious border policies.
So overlapping story here. Didn't LeBron James's house get burgled as well in L.A.? I believe it did. And I think, you know. And we have these Chilean gangs all over the state of California.
2018 is L.A. Mansion targeted for burglary.
Huh. Yeah, there are just professional rings like this. And that's a much bigger problem in Latin America. In Latin America, rich people will have family members kidnapped for ransom. Kidnapping people for ransom is a TV show plot here. But it happens in other countries quite often.
Well, I mean, it is a very interesting thing that these are some of the most famous people in the world, and their schedules are just, like, fully on blast. Like, they know that – because Patrick Mahomes' house was robbed. I think Travis Kelsey's house was robbed. There was another, like, Vikings linebacker's house was robbed. They know these people are not going to be at their houses.
And most people don't have, like, 24-7 security. If you were an organized robber.
Most people don't have – maids who are Instagram models or whatever she is.
I don't know if Olivia Ponton is moonlighting as a housekeeper.
Maybe we need to pay for people to have Instagram housekeepers because that's how they were able to catch it and know what was going on. What's the conclusion of this story?
Is it out and out that they have an affair and
Has Joe Burrow broken up with his long-term girlfriend? Neither of them have said anything. I think the conclusion as of right now is that if you're an NFL player, watch out for your house and also don't cheat on your girlfriends or your wives. Then you won't have these kinds of problems.
But if he hadn't been cheating, no one would have caught the burglary at the time.
Well, we don't know. She could have been a housekeeper.
Or she could have been broken up with his girlfriend. We don't know. I wish someone would say something.
It could have been on a break. It could have been the Ross and Rachel thing where they were on a break. And by the way, happy 35th birthday to Taylor Swift.
My girl. That's for you, Daisy. Taylor.
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All right, so I was a little, you know, unsure of where we were going to go with this last and final segment, but there are two things stories that actually kind of work together. And I have to hit this, Blake. This is Crystal Mangum, the woman who falsely accused the Duke lacrosse players. And then I guess she killed somebody who's been in prison.
She has come out and she basically, she's still in prison. She has come out and has apologized for lying. And Blake, you can expound upon the ramifications that this story had nationwide after this clip, but let's go ahead and play at 147.
testified falsely against them by saying that they raped me when they didn't and that was wrong and I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people who believed in me And made up a story that wasn't true because I wanted validation from people and not from God. And that was wrong. And I hope that they can forgive me.
Blank. I mean, it's it's crazy, actually, like the butterfly effect of this case. Like a lot of people don't know Stephen Miller, currently deputy White House chief of staff. one of the smartest guys in the administration. He was a Duke student at the time this was all going down. He made a name for himself opposing the lynch mob that they whipped up against these lacrosse players.
And he's a talented guy. I think he would have followed a similar course anyway. But we can think that's the first time... America saw Stephen Miller in any capacity. And also that was probably important to his ideological formation that he went through this, that he saw how the left operated up close.
And it's so telling, like it's such a perfect microcosm of so many of the forces we would see in the coming years that people assumed these guys were guilty because basically they looked a certain way. They were just like, everyone knows that these white frat bros just are raping people constantly. And that was somehow considered a valid argument.
But Blake, this also had legislative and bureaucratic agencies got involved and they started changing the way universities had to deal with these sexual assault allegations nationwide.
Yeah. So, I mean, we're going to have to get rid of this with the Trump with the new Trump administration, because the Obama administration came up with these rules where they said to adhere to Title nine, you actually have to have kangaroo courts like your threshold for considering someone guilty of or responsible for sexual assault.
It has to just be preponderance of the evidence, which is you have to evaluate as 50 percent likely or or more. And they would say, yeah, you actually have to have hearings that don't follow – you don't have to confront your accusers. You don't even necessarily get to know who your accusers are. And they would say, you have to do this or you violate Title IX.
And Trump got rid of that in his first term. And then Biden – there were so many things going bad with Biden that didn't get a lot of attention. But he brought that back and made it worse. And we need to throw that out immediately and try to give that teeth because – It's almost forgotten now, but a lot of the 2010s, you have these shrill claims. They would say, like, one in four.
Did you ever hear that number when you were in school, Daisy?
Yeah, I think we all had to take, like, a Title IX class or a first week at college, basically.
They would claim, like, one in four women are raped on college campuses. Like, those are numbers that you get during, like, a civil war in Central Africa. It is not what is going on on an Ivy League campus. And you would get these strange things. All right, Dandy. Yeah.
Yes?
Oh, go ahead.
Oh, I was just going to say, it also, like, we've created this problem for ourselves where now when women are actually raped or, like, when anyone is sexually assaulted, it immediately makes you be like, wait, are you telling the truth? Because we wanted to do this whole believe women, believe women, but then we've seen multiple cases where women are not telling the truth.
So it makes it harder to believe people that are actually telling the truth, and it's sad. It's really sad.
Well, everything that the left does, and they sort of, they sort of put out into the universe as their source of compassion, that they're the nice people and that conservatives are bad, ultimately has this boomerang effect, this backfire effect. Me Too had this backfire effect where now we just sort of assume that many
trumped up that they you know pun intended and you know i i think you see that at the border we have the humane border policy oh well tell that to lake and riley's family that your your policies are humane tell that to the hundred thousand fentanyl deaths every year because you think your uh immigration policies are humane you're killing people you're sowing chaos and distrust um i don't know if this was a pop culture topic or not but it certainly i think was worth covering thanks so much for listening everybody we'll talk to you soon
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