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Chapter 1: Who is Charlie Kirk and what is Turning Point USA?
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Alright, so when I first came here, you were talking to a man in blue, and I don't recall what you said verbatim, but you were talking about pro-life, and then you said there was a, like, to make a label of, like, killing people, and I, do you see how that could be a contradiction?
I'm not sure what your question is. I don't want to go too back in time because I don't remember it, but what is your question?
In pro-life, so you agree with prisons, right? Are you for or against the... I'm in favor of the death penalty. In favor. And so isn't that a contradiction of being pro-life?
Okay, no. I mean, again, a baby in the womb.
Oh, so it's different that way. Yeah, what crime has the baby committed? Okay, and what about preserving life?
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Chapter 2: Is being pro-life contradictory to supporting the death penalty?
So I think – we know from studies on babies that greed is largely a learned trait. When you give two children the same toy, one will eventually like – or if you give two children this – basically there's a study on babies. I'm blanking on the exact procedure. But basically it kind of showed that greed is a learned trait within children. And I think that stems under capitalism that –
Greed necessarily creates the negative self-interested idea that we have of humanity where if we nationalize a system that removes the profit motive, we do not have those perverse incentives.
You are way more Marxist than I thought. So this is where we really disagree. That's okay. We're going to have totally different worldviews on this. And you actually articulated it really well. But on the left-wing Marxist socialist side, they believe human nature is generally good. And that it's capitalism in our system that has infected our... Decision-making. Fair? Yeah.
Like a Rousseau-esque take. Yes. Okay. So I have a much more, let's just say, Hobbesian view of human nature, which I believe – because it's Christian in nature. I believe human beings, as it says in the book of Genesis and repeated, is that the heart of man is flawed from beginning, that it's not taught by capitalism. It's not any sort of system. And let me try to prove it to you.
I don't know how convincing I'll be. In even the most communist totalitarian government like China – or in Russia where they got rid of all private property, people still did bad stuff. They still stole. They still lied. They still cheated. They still committed adultery. So we can get rid of all the private property. People will still do bad stuff.
Secondly, I encourage you to look less at studies, and maybe one day you'll be a father and you'll see it yourself. I have a two and a half year old daughter. She does stuff that was never taught. It's like instinctive. She like turns my wife and I against each other. She's like she's a saint. You know what I mean?
And you realize like these are, you know, treacherous little creatures that need to be taught goodness and told no because they're not the center of the world. We let me say differently. We as Christians generally believe that people are generally not so good. Marxists will believe that people are generally good. And from there come our two different worldviews.
Because therefore, if you think people are naturally good, then you must find something to blame for all the problems, which is capitalism, racism, misogyny, Western civilization. We say, hey, all the problems start with the mirror. We think the man in the mirror is the start of your problem. So therefore, again, that's not a criticism.
We would say the problem is you need to do less marching in the streets to try to end climate change and more about getting yourself in shape, waking up earlier, stop doing drugs, stop doing alcohol, and becoming a better person. Again, that's not a criticism of your worldview. I just want to make sure people understand the difference. Do you think humanity lacks an innate sense of care for others?
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