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The Bulwark Podcast

Ron Brownstein: Don't Take the Bait

Fri, 17 Jan 2025

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Trump governed as a wartime president against blue America, so expect him to keep stirring up culture battles—but the Dems have to avoid getting drawn into them. Kamala and the party were undone in '24 by looking like they cared more about niche issues than putting food on the table. Meanwhile, Biden has left Trump a lot of room to consolidate a bigger coalition than he's ever had. Plus, for Republicans shrugging off climate change and threatening to withhold fire aid to California, here's a news flash: extreme weather is coming to a neighborhood near you.  Ron Brownstein joins Tim Miller for the weekend  show notes Ron's piece on 'late regime' presidencies Ron's interviews with Kamala's advisers Tim's interview with Rep. Jim Himes The book Ron referenced, "The Politics Presidents Make" Tim's playlist

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00:00 - 00:22 Tim Miller

Hey, guys, a couple of programming notes. Number one, my colleague, the great Mona Charon, she has a new pod out or a reform pod, I guess we've begged to differ. We have retired at the end of the Biden years. And Mona is instead launching a new pod, the Mona Charon show, which is going to focus on long form conversations about big picture issues off of the news.

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00:22 - 00:24 Tim Miller

She's got Richard Reeves talking about

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00:24 - 00:41 Tim Miller

you know the threats to men and this whole conversation around that on the pot on monday which might be a distraction from whatever else is happening in the news that day she's excited about it we're excited about it so i'll put a link in the show notes here make sure you can go and subscribe to the feed to get it in your apple podcast or spotify podcast and um

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00:42 - 01:01 Tim Miller

We'll be doing crossovers and have a moment on here to talk about it again soon. A couple other things. I'm popping on to YouTube either if there's breaking stuff in the afternoon after I've already taped the pod or if they're kind of niche topics where I'm doing interviews with people that I want to grab that we just kind of can't fit into the pod schedule.

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00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

So for an example on that, I talked to Jim Himes, congressman from Connecticut, yesterday about this fight over the Intel Committee chairmanship issue. super interesting and I think important fight in the Republican coalition. If you're interested in that, you can go find it on YouTube. Same thing today. I haven't taped it yet, but I'm about to tape with one of my favorite tax reporters.

00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

We're going to get nerdy on the Treasury Secretary hearing with Scotty Besant, which happened yesterday. There's some pretty interesting testimony on that yesterday that I think Democrats, Democratic political consultants in particular are going to have a close ear to when it comes to their interest in extending tax cuts for billionaires, etc. So we'll be doing that this afternoon as well.

00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

And we're back normal schedule next week. We will be taping Monday morning with Bill talking a lot about the coming. I'm not going to say it, but also Trump's rally on Sunday and then a full schedule next week. So stick with us. I get it. If you don't want to turn on the tube next week, I get it. But you can still hear my dulcet voice.

00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

And, you know, I'll give you a trigger warning before I play any voices that you don't want to hear. Up next.

00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

ron brownstein this guy understands data and and what is happening with the electorate better than anybody i love having him on the pod we're going to do a little bit of look back to the 2024 election but also look forward on kind of this demographic the coalitions and and how things are shifting as well as uh he comes from he's uh coming from california so we'll talk a little bit more about the politics of the fires and everything happening out there and uh how climate change is going to be affecting all of us so it's a good convo hope you guys enjoy it up next ron brownstein

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