Guest host Michael Steele outlines the ways in which Donald Trump sees himself as a king, and what it means for the country. He is joined by incoming MSNBC Senior Washington Correspondent Eugene Daniels and Former Representative Joe Walsh to discuss the clashes between un-elected co-president Elon Musk and Trump's top officials. Next, Michael is joined by Former Air Force Intelligence Officer Denver Riggleman and Retired USMC Lt. Colonel Amy McGrath to react to Trump signaling that a minerals deal with Ukraine won't be enough to restore US aid and intel sharing. Then, Michael is joined by former Social Security Administration Commissioner Martin O'Malley to discuss his concerns about DOGE's meddling in social security, which may put payments at risk. Later, Michael breaks down the recent MAGA vitriol directed at conservative Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett for simply looking at the president the wrong way. Former U.S. Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal joins the show to discuss Trump's relationship with the Supreme Court ahead of some consequential upcoming rulings. Finally, Michael shares a preview from the latest episode of Jen's podcast, "The Blueprint with Jen Psaki," where she sat down for a fascinating conversation with DNC Chair Ken Martin. Check out our social pages below:https://twitter.com/InsideWithPsakihttps://www.instagram.com/InsideWithPsaki/https://www.tiktok.com/@insidewithpsakihttps://www.msnbc.com/jen-psakihttps://bsky.app/profile/insidewithpsaki.msnbc.com
Chapter 1: How does Trump view his presidency?
Okay, folks, Jen is on a well-deserved vacation, but boy, do we have a lot to get into today. We all know Donald Trump wants to be a king, right? So this week, he sat back and watched his court jesters fight it out. Plus, after the White House stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine, Vladimir Putin was ready to take full advantage.
And later, MAGA World turns on Amy Comey Barrett, all because of one ruling and one sideways glance. Donald Trump has been president for almost two months now, but we all know he really wants to be a king. He's not subtle about that fact, not at all.
Take Exhibit A on Tuesday night, when he used his joint address to Congress to tell the tale of an American empire where he runs it all, rules it all, controls it all. Or Exhibit B, when the White House shared a drawing of Trump in a crowd with the caption, Long Live the King. Or Exhibit C, when he said, He who saves his country does not violate any law.
Or Exhibit D, when he told the governor of Maine, we are the federal law. Folks, I could probably go through the whole damn alphabet listing exhibits of how Trump aspires to be a king. But I'll give you just one more because it's Sunday. This one happened behind closed doors at a cabinet meeting this week when Trump officials clashed with unelected co-president Elon Musk.
According to the New York Times, Musk lashed out at Secretary of State Marco Rubio, saying he fired nobody. Rubio, of course, shot back, saying Musk was not being truthful. Musk countered that by saying, ho, ho, Rubio was good on TV, of course, implying he's not good for much else. And here's the kicker.
Throughout all of this, the president sat back in his chair, arms folded, as if he were watching a tennis match. Because of course he did. Because Trump loves to pit people against each other. He loves to create internal conflict. He loves to see who will fight harder for him, who will be the most loyal to him. That's how he ran his businesses. That's how he ran the apprentice boardroom.
And folks, that's how he's running his presidency, because he sees himself as all-powerful, like a king. And he sees the people around him as court jesters, just there to serve him. Praise him. Entertain him. And they sure are living up to that name in true royal fashion. All the king's horse's ass and all the king's men have been lining up to pay tribute.
This week, a Republican congressman introduced legislation to put Trump's face on a $100 bill. But not to be outdone, another Republican lawmaker wants to go even higher than $100, proposing legislation to design a $250 bill featuring Donald Trump. OK, it gets even crazier.
There's also a push to make Trump's birthday a federal holiday, rename Dulles Airport after him and carve his face into Mount Rushmore. But, of course, the biggest jester of them all may be Senator Lindsey Graham, who posted this after Trump's joint address. Trump 2028. Yes, that is Senator, United States Senator Graham, jumping on the unconstitutional bandwagon and endorsing a third Trump term.
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Chapter 2: What does Trump's relationship with Elon Musk reveal?
We haven't just, we have not imagined how bad and how low he'd go. He tried to overthrow an American election four years ago. I have no doubt that he could try to stop the midterm elections. If he's physically able, he may try to run again in 28. This is really scary.
It is scary, Eugene, and you've covered Trump for quite a bit. Contrast your... understanding, appreciation, if you will, of Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0 in light of what is now put on the table, this imperial presidency that he's trying to create.
I think what folks are seeing, what you saw on Tuesday in his joint address, is that Trump 1.0 was being stopped from doing some of these things, right? The people that were around him, the Republicans who had grown up in the RNC, who had been a part of your agency at one point. All of those folks saw an end to Trumpism.
They saw, okay, at some point, whether it's four or eight years, we're gonna have a Republican party that looks like what we're used to. That's not the case anymore. So that means people get on the Trump train, and the Trump train includes Nowadays, people who are either true believers that work with him in the White House or don't see their jobs as trying to stop him from doing anything.
They're not going to take things off the Resolute Desk like happened in Trump 1.0. They're not going to stop him from doing things. If he wants to do something, they're going to find ways for him to do it, right? That is something that you hear over and over and over again from folks.
And I've talked to a lot of people, and one thing that stuck out to me was on the 19th, before they got in, someone who was going into the DOJ and is now there— said that they're ready to test the boundaries and stretch them, right? And I said, well, which boundaries? And they said, all of them, right? And so it is about all of those things. And so that's the difference between 1.0 and 2.0.
The people around him don't see themselves as needing to stop anything. They want to go.
They're there to advance it. They're there to give more meaning and purpose, sort of making it more official, Joe, in many respects. And you see that, I think, In this in this cabinet meeting where at one point Trump, you know, just has to sort of check, I guess, Elon Musk and says, oh, you know, the cabinet members, you guys are in charge. You get to decide. He just gets to advise.
How much of that—what does that say to you about how Trump is looking at—to what Eugene just said, looking at how he wants these scenarios to play out in these various agencies? That pitter-pat between Marco and Elon really was just, you know— sort of sling him between the two men. But at the end of the day, I think Trump is going to allow Elon to sling a little bit more than Rubio.
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Chapter 3: How are Trump's actions affecting Ukraine?
The king will defy a court order.
That's the next piece of this. Michael, the king's going to defy the Supreme Court. And then what does the Republican Party do? I mean, the king. Not the party. What the hell does the country do? Right. Right now, the king is standing with Putin and standing against the free world and the party's quiet. When the king defies the Supreme Court, what does the country do? Eugene Walsh? Eugene Walsh.
I feel like it, Eugene.
I just merged the two of them, people. I literally just merged the two.
Because they look so much alike. They look so much alike. It's the hair.
It's the hair. I'm envious. Same hair. Joe Walsh and Eugene Daniels. Thank you both. Coming up after the Trump administration stopped sharing intelligence with Ukraine. We'll get into that. We got more news this morning. That was music to Vladimir Putin's ears. We'll be right back. First, Donald Trump invited President Zelensky to the Oval Office so he and J.D.
Vance could try to publicly humiliate him. Then Trump froze all military aid to Ukraine. And now, well, he's cut Ukraine off from U.S. intelligence. And right on cue, Russian forces launched devastating attacks on Ukraine, striking Ukrainian troops and crucial supply lines. U.S. officials have told NBC News that Ukraine continues to get U.S. defensive intelligence.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of Trump's intelligence sharing policy?
But one Ukrainian official said as a result of this pause, there are hundreds of dead Ukrainians. And what's Donald Trump had to say about all of this? That the U.S. is doing very well with Russia and Putin is doing what everybody else would do. And as if we needed any more evidence about which side Trump is on, He's now moving the goalposts even further for Ukraine.
He had been pursuing, as you recall, right, that mineral deal with the Ukrainians as a condition to military aid. Remember that? Well, NBC News today is reporting that Trump has privately made clear that a signed mineral deal, quote, won't be enough to restart aid and intelligence sharing. Denver Riggleman is a former Republican congressman and a former Air Force intelligence officer.
Naomi McGrath is a former Marine Corps fighter pilot. Both of them join me now. Denver, the news this morning from NBC News is problematic, troubling. troubling, but in many ways not surprising, that Ukraine has to give up natural resources, but that's now not enough to get a deal for peace. What's your reaction, sir?
My reaction is always, you know, you're stunned, but not surprised. You know, it's the opposite. And I think part of it, too, is why isn't Donald Trump so strident in his negotiating path with Russia? Why does it seem to always be about Zelensky? And we look at what's happened over the last week or two with our withdrawal of intelligence support. It's not just that, right?
It's the fact is that we've taken away commercial imagery over there, right? We have issues with that. We're taking away every single step. We're almost stacking our priorities against Ukrainian defense. So it's really that much of a surprise.
Then you have the double whammy, right, Michael, this morning, where Elon Musk all of a sudden comes out and says, hey, we need to withdraw from NATO, and Europe needs to take care of their own defense. What are we seeing here? We're seeing messaging that really goes to the heart of the matter, is that this looks like...
pro-Russia stance by Trump, especially when you see all of the intelligence apparatus that's been taken away, whether it's Cyber Command, whether it's CIA standing down, whether it's the Pentagon standing down on deprioritization, whether it's CISA being cut, the CISA.
All these things seem to point to me, based on negotiating tactics, that Trump likes to be tough on people other than Putin, which leads some to believe in the intelligence community and maybe an analysis like here that maybe he's really not a great actor in this.
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Chapter 5: Why is Trump's behavior concerning for democracy?
Yeah, that's putting it politely, I think. Amy, I think one of the aspects of this that certainly, given your training and background, has to be very concerning and disturbing is taking away the ability to do the imagery, to get the access to the information. What does it mean in practical terms for Ukrainian forces to lose access to our intelligence?
Yeah, and make no mistake, there really is no defensive and offensive intelligence. It's just intelligence. Because what you're doing when you take that away is you're taking away the Ukrainians' ability to see and understand the battlefield, to see what's going on.
So, for example, Michael, you're taking away their ability to see when the Russians are launching their bombers against the Ukrainians or missiles. You're taking away their ability to target those bombers on the ground. You know, the best way to to to stop a bomber or a missile coming at you is to hit it before it even launches. Right.
And so what you're seeing right now is is that Donald Trump is trying to tip the scales. You know, when he says to Vladimir Zelensky, hey, you don't have the cards yet. What he's trying to do is take the cards away. And that's just one piece of that. And it has real effects on the battlefield.
You know, Denver, one of the more damning aspects of this for me is Elon Musk and the role that he's allowed to play. Last night, he issued what seemed like a thinly veiled threat about shutting Starlink off for the Ukrainians. He said, quote, my Starlink system is the backbone of the Ukrainian army. Their entire front line would collapse if I turned it off.
I'm going to repeat it again so everybody can understand with a high degree of clarity. When you say something like that in the position that he's in and given what we know about his, you know, tech stuff and what he's done, he is every Bond villain rolled up into one. Because when you have that attitude, right, I'm looking for James Bond at this point. Right. How do you what do we do?
What does that mean? And certainly what does it mean for the Ukrainians that we have one individual who has control over the information links that they're going to need?
Well, you know, it's interesting, you know, Starlink has contracts all over Europe, right, Michael? So if they break this, what happens to some of their other partners, like, you know, say contracts in Poland? The other thing, too, if he removes Starlink, what happens to things like Udalsat, right? You have French competitors out there or other types of competitors who's going to fill that void.
So now he's got an issue. Right. He has a country like Russia that it seems like he's in support of that has a GDP lower than three U.S. states. Think about that. You know, California, Texas and Florida, California, Texas and New York with Florida almost as high. So what does he do now? Right. So is he going to take Starlink away just to make Trump happy?
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Chapter 6: What role do the courts play in limiting presidential power?
And Donald Trump right now is hurting that power. He's hurting it for future generations. And that is also what's so scary here.
All right. Denver Riggleman, Amy McGrath. Thank you both. I really appreciate your insights. Coming up, folks, cutting Social Security is the third rail of American politics, at least it used to be. But Donald Trump and Elon Musk, well, they don't seem to care about that much.
Martin O'Malley is the former commissioner of the Social Security Administration, and he joins me next to talk about the Social Security system. In his speech to Congress on Tuesday, Donald Trump set an ambitious goal, balance the federal budget. But as a Fox News anchor, Maria Bartiromo, tried to explain to him in an interview this morning, he can't do that without going after entitlements.
When you look at where the spending is, 76% of the spending going to the mandatory programs, don't you have to really cut into those mandatory programs in order to really make a dent? You say you're going to balance the budget.
You can't balance the budget just by doge cuts, right? We're going to have growth like you've never seen before.
Oh, that's true. Yeah, you said that.
We're going to have growth. I'm not going to touch Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. No, we're going to get fraud out of there.
Put a pin in that one, folks. Yeah, OK. Because the Congressional Budget Office ran the numbers and they found that to balance the budget, Republicans will have to cut from Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, that safety net, those benefits. And Americans don't want that, especially when it comes to Social Security, the single largest program in the federal budget.
A poll from January found that more than two-thirds of all Americans think we're not spending enough on Social Security, and only 6% think we're spending too much. Here's the deal. There's a reason it's the third rail of American politics. But that's not stopping Republicans from wrapping their hands around it. Elon Musk has been repeating the line that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.
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Chapter 7: How are allies responding to Trump's foreign policy?
Wow. Do I call you lieutenant governor, chairman, excellency? Friend words. Yeah. There are several things they're doing, Michael. It appears they're doing everything they can to break this agency, to degrade customer service. And these acts are also... And to drive employees out of this agency. Keep in mind, you know, the...
The Republican House was reducing staffing and cutting Social Security before the Doge Bros even had driver's licenses. So this agency was serving more and more people every single day because of us baby boomers with staffing that was reduced to a 50-year low.
So, the biggest threat to the agency is the way they're driving experienced, knowledgeable employees out of it, including those who are about 30% to 40% retirement eligible that run the IT systems. What we're going to see is more and more intermittent shutdowns of the processing apps and also, yesterday for a time, the portal that allows people to check their MySSA account went down.
You're going to see more of that for longer durations. You're already seeing the wait times, the lines, all going again in the wrong direction. After they were made to go in the right and more timely direction by the end of last year, they're all going in the wrong direction.
And then you're going to see all of those things having a cascading effect, because just because that base of the IT system, that old COBOL system is old, doesn't mean that it doesn't have to be maintained. get this, are being paid for an entire year if they will leave now and not let the door hit their backside on the way out. That's the waste.
And I see that, you know, as sort of the linchpin to a lot of this. It is not about the functionality of the system. It is about a clearing of the decks. We want these people out. If this system collapse, certainly that's that's going to be a devastating thing. How then do you get things up and running again?
I mean, at some point when when your cousin, your aunt, your mom, your dad, yourself don't get that check that you need to cover your expenses, whether it's health care, whether it's other things you may use. Right. the Social Security payments for, what do people do? And how do you get the system back online?
40% of seniors living alone over the age of 65, Michael, depend entirely on Social Security. It's the difference between living under a bridge, living in poverty, or living with dignity. I suspect just like after they fired the people that knew the nuclear codes, they're going to realize
that they fired some really talented, experienced IT people that understand how to get these systems back up and running again, especially if, as I believe they are, if they drive this to a system collapse and an interruption of benefits within the next 90 days.
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