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The Arsonist Next Door | 5: The Confession

Thu, 29 May 2025

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Chapter 1: What happened on the morning of April 20th, 2001?

88.413 - 89.234 Vicki Deworth

I couldn't believe it.

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89.699 - 92.18 Lee Benson

We were all so flabbergasted.

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92.48 - 107.468 Sam Anderson

The neighborhood thought the arson spree was the work of CSP, the Coalition to Save the Preserves, a group of radical eco-terrorists. Now, Mark Sands has been arrested and questioned by the police. Could their friendly neighbor be a serial arsonist?

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107.988 - 111.991 Lee Benson

My first reaction was, you got the wrong guy. That's not Mark.

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112.571 - 114.672 Rob Handy

No one thought he would be capable of doing that.

115.014 - 124.4 Lee Benson

You know, he's Mr. Bible Study. He's a very talkative, very friendly guy. I'd see him walk. I'd wave, and he'd wave back. Mark and I would carpool our kids.

125.0 - 125.961 Sam Anderson

What did he seem like to you?

Chapter 2: Who is Mark Sands and why was he arrested?

127.161 - 127.522 Unknown Speaker

Normal.

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Chapter 3: What was the community's initial reaction to Mark's arrest?

128.762 - 131.744 Sam Anderson

The folks whose houses burned down learn about the arrest from the news.

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132.304 - 135.346 Unknown Speaker

They said his name was Mark Sands, and they showed a little news clip of him.

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135.847 - 143.091 Sam Anderson

That's Danielle Sink, the woman whose house was torched right around Christmastime, leaving behind nothing but a tiny Santa Claus figurine.

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143.666 - 149.547 Unknown Speaker

That's the guy who did all this stuff. He looked like such a little mediocre, you'd never look at him twice guy.

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150.187 - 172.672 Sam Anderson

And Lee Benson, the owner of the house that burned twice, he feels vindicated. I remember just thinking, oh, so it is somebody in the neighborhood. Lee believed from the jump that CSP was one of his neighbors. But for Mark's closest friends, their reaction is total disbelief.

175.583 - 179.007 Peggy Sands

We were all shocked, just shocked. I couldn't be Mark.

179.607 - 186.674 Sam Anderson

This is Vicki Deworth. I tracked her down to get a sense of the reaction in Mark's inner circle. She'd known him for years before the arrest.

187.035 - 194.102 Peggy Sands

We had Sunday activities. We had picnics. We had children's activities and things. We just did life together.

194.622 - 209.509 Sam Anderson

They're even part of the same Bible study group. When Mark is arrested, at first, Vicki just cannot accept the fact that her close friend could be behind all those fires, evading the police for a whole year. So instead, she goes into support mode.

Chapter 4: What evidence did investigators find in Mark's home?

445.814 - 450.438 Rob Handy

There was a book in the house, Helping Your Loved One Overcome a Pornography Addiction, something like that.

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451.659 - 459.146 Sam Anderson

Of course, there's nothing criminal about viewing pornography. But Rob suspects there might be something more serious tied up in Mark's porn obsession.

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459.639 - 463.303 Rob Handy

There was a theory that developed during the search that somehow there was a connection.

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463.323 - 466.946 Sam Anderson

A connection between the arson spree and the pornography.

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467.587 - 477.076 Ken Williams

One of the things with just generic profiles of arsonists is oftentimes they do get a sexual gratification from the act of starting the fires.

477.676 - 481.14 Terry Kearns

We very well might be looking at an excitement-based arsonist.

482.17 - 500.361 Sam Anderson

It's not unheard of that arson attacks might have a sexual component. And judging by the fact that Mark was in his underpants on the night of the arrest, it's not much of a stretch for investigators to suspect that this might be part of the story too. On top of that, Mark has an extensive VHS collection, including a bunch of home movies.

501.082 - 518.503 Sam Anderson

The investigators think maybe they contain something related to the fires. Could he have filmed his targets beforehand? Or taken trophy footage of the burned homes? They confiscate every single tape and bring them back to the station. Trent Crump assigns a couple of investigators a new task.

519.104 - 525.506 Terry Kearns

I told him, hey, grab some popcorn, go down to the basement, pull up some TVs, I want you to go through frame by frame, and there's no fast-forwarding.

Chapter 5: How did the investigation shift toward Warren Jeroms?

645.53 - 648.791 Delia D'Ambra

I had no choice but to say yes. I mean, I couldn't say no.

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649.652 - 660.817 Sam Anderson

It didn't take long for the investigators to figure out that Warren is Mark's closest friend. Now, they're hoping he will give them the information they need. But Warren has his own ideas about Mark's character.

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661.417 - 670.481 Delia D'Ambra

He was a nice man. I liked Mark a lot. He was outgoing and easy to be around and sincerely interested in spreading the word of the Lord.

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671.561 - 676.603 Sam Anderson

Mark's daughter and Warren's daughter are close friends. They hang out together, sing in the church choir together.

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677.183 - 681.185 Rob Handy

He kept talking about what a great guy Mark was, like a second dad to his daughter, that kind of stuff.

682.025 - 688.771 Sam Anderson

Warren tells the investigators that he doesn't believe his friend set those fires. He answers all their questions as best he can.

689.772 - 701.722 Delia D'Ambra

At the end of that, they asked me if I would cooperate with them and provide any information to them about Mark. And I said, no, I would not participate in anything like that.

702.803 - 717.985 Sam Anderson

But this won't be the last time Warren hears from the task force. They keep trying to reach out to him. They speak to his wife, Mia. And even though Warren still believes that Mark is innocent, Mark is growing distrustful of Warren. At one point, he confronts Warren.

718.625 - 722.707 Delia D'Ambra

Are you talking to Mia? No, I'm not. Hell no, I'm not talking to Mia.

Chapter 6: What disturbing evidence was shown to Warren?

1094.735 - 1103.698 Sam Anderson

It suggests something sinister about Mark, a side of him that's extremely upsetting to Warren, who just spent weeks defending his character.

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1104.798 - 1106.858 Rob Handy

He was emotional and upset.

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1107.999 - 1116.981 Sam Anderson

When I ask Warren about this moment, he struggles to remember this part of the story. He doesn't deny that it happened, but it's almost as if he's blocked out the details.

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1117.79 - 1120.953 Delia D'Ambra

I could have very easily said, I don't want to see anymore. I've seen enough.

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1121.954 - 1130.982 Sam Anderson

Rob and Trent admit they feel guilty about the position they've put Warren in. We kind of felt like villains. But from their perspective, the ends justify the means.

1131.403 - 1135.827 Rob Handy

We decided we were kind of running out of room, and let's see what we can get.

1137.568 - 1143.634 Delia D'Ambra

I came to realize there were two sides to Mark Sands, one that everybody saw, and then there was another side that was much deeper.

1149.443 - 1175.391 Sam Anderson

I haven't seen the video myself, but the investigators described it to me in detail. It's shocking and upsetting. I can understand Warren's reaction. all this sexual stuff is hard to wrap my head around. Is it related to the arsons? Or just some kind of twisted sideshow? For Warren, after all the pressure he's been under, this is the final straw. He agreed to help us.

1175.871 - 1195.365 Sam Anderson

From that point forward, he worked with us as diligently as he could. It's worth noting that even at this moment, Warren is still wrestling with feelings of loyalty to his friend Mark. He tells the investigators that'll help them to find out whether Mark is truly the arsonist. But he's hoping they'll leave the porn and home videos out of the case.

Chapter 7: How did Warren's perspective on Mark change?

1262.315 - 1268.099 Sam Anderson

Every time it seems like Mark might be on the verge of telling Warren the truth, their hike comes to an end.

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1268.819 - 1278.645 Delia D'Ambra

Mark and I were kind of playing a strange game of he wouldn't tell me anything about his secret, and I wouldn't tell him anything about my secret.

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1279.804 - 1296.298 Sam Anderson

The task force want Mark to feel like he can really trust Warren. They know that Mark is a marketing professional, but he's struggling to find a stable job. So they give Warren some money to hire Mark at the small startup he owns, developing software for nursing homes.

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1297.179 - 1303.204 Delia D'Ambra

My two IT guys were going, what the heck are we hiring him for? And I'm going, oh, we're trying to market our stuff, so...

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1304.676 - 1311.983 Sam Anderson

Mark now has a job, or he thinks he does. But for Warren, his full-time job is now hanging out with Mark Sands.

Chapter 8: What role does Warren play in the ongoing investigation?

1312.963 - 1321.171 Delia D'Ambra

There wasn't a minute in the day when I wasn't thinking about Mark and what was going on. It was all-consuming.

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1325.995 - 1337.513 Sam Anderson

Six weeks go by since Mark's arrest at the fake construction site. By June 2001, Warren realizes that if he's going to get a confession out of Mark, he'll need to shake things up.

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1338.234 - 1341.415 Delia D'Ambra

That's when I came up with the idea of going to the Grand Canyon.

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1344.597 - 1351.181 Sam Anderson

Warren knew that hiking the Grand Canyon was always on Mark's bucket list. So he tells the task force he has an idea.

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1352.502 - 1364.368 Delia D'Ambra

I said, I think if we're in a very remote place, I may be able to ask him something that I may not be able to ask him if we're just in the backyard of some of these houses on the preserve back here.

1365.589 - 1377.013 Sam Anderson

The plan is to hike the South Rim Trail, which goes all the way to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. And they want to do it by the light of the full moon, which means they'll be setting off that evening at sunset.

1377.494 - 1380.875 Rob Handy

Basically, we had the one day to put it together. It was a scramble.

1381.823 - 1393.77 Sam Anderson

the task force rushes to prepare. This operation is gonna be expensive, but the police and the FBI bigwigs are anxious to finally nail this arsonist. Rob heads into his boss's office.

1394.511 - 1399.554 Rob Handy

Five minutes later, I'm leaving with a $10,000 check made out to me, and my boss is like, just bring me back receipts.

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