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Ep. 2207 - Can Trump STOP World War III?

Tue, 27 May 2025

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Chapter 1: What are the key issues facing the Trump administration?

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Folks, tons to get to on today's show. memberships. Well, of course, this weekend marked Memorial Day, a grave occasion when we actually have the opportunity to honor our fallen warriors. And that means that it's time to take a look at where the United States currently stands in the world geopolitically.

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Chapter 2: What was President Trump's Memorial Day message?

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Well, the presidents of the United States, Donald Trump, did a couple of things over the weekend. One of them Great. One of them not so good. We'll start with the not so good. He put out a statement on Memorial Day, and he's fond of doing this, putting out these statements on sort of national holidays or national days off in which he rips into his political opposition.

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He did that on Memorial Day as well, which, again, isn't the best look because it's Memorial Day. He put out a statement saying, happy Memorial Day to all, including the scum.

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that spent the last four years trying to destroy our country through warped radical left minds who allowed 21 million people to illegally enter our country, many of them being criminals and the mentally insane, through an open border that only an incompetent president would approve, and through judges who are on a mission to keep murderers, drug dealers, rapists, gang members, and released prisoners from all over the world in our country so they can rob, murder, and rape again, all protected by these USA-hating judges who suffer from an ideology that is sick and very dangerous for our country.

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A Melvillian sentence there from the president of the United States. Again, on Memorial Day, it isn't a happy Memorial Day. It's actually not the proper greeting. But in any case, the actual good thing that he did was, of course, he gave a speech at Arlington in which he discussed our national heroes. Here's what he had to say.

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Every Gold Star family fights a battle long after the victory is won. And today we lift you up and we hold you high. Thank you, thank you, thank you for giving America the brightest light in your lives. It's what you've done. We will never, ever forget our fallen heroes, and we will never forget our debt to you.

132.042 - 154.636 Ben Shapiro

Okay, so again, that's the proper tone for Memorial Day. All of this part and parcel of a broader discussion as to what America's foreign policy should look like. And it is kind of unclear what the Trump doctrine is at this point in time. J.D. Vance, just before the weekend, spoke at the Naval Academy. At the Naval Academy, he spoke at length about what he sees the Trump doctrine as.

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And there's a lot of wiggle room here as to what exactly he means. I think that Vice President Vance likes to use the Iraq war as sort of the bugaboo to attack any ideology that he does not find particularly good for American foreign policy. That's fine, but you're going to be hard pressed to find anybody who, knowing all we know now, would go back in time and do the Iraq war again.

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So I'm not sure who he's arguing against here, aside from a very, very small coterie of people who refuse to acknowledge the reality, which is that we didn't find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that the occupation did not go the way that it should have gone and all the rest. In any case, Vice President Vance is laying out what he sees as the Trump administration's foreign policy.

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And so what he suggests is that President Trump's visit to the Middle East, in which he visited Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE, was designed in sort of recapitulating an American foreign policy that is based on a realistic assessment of what the world looks like. Here was the Vice President of the United States.

Chapter 3: How has J.D. Vance described the Trump doctrine?

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Now, again, he's arguing here presumably against the war in Iraq. The war in Afghanistan is a bit of a different story, since originally the war in Afghanistan was launched on the back of 9-11. So it was, in fact, a core American national interest to defenestrate the regime that had protected Osama bin Laden in the aftermath of the murder of 3,000 Americans.

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And obviously, there are many different iterations of American foreign policy, many of them bad, very few of them actually wonderful. Obviously, the United States got involved in a war in Libya and overthrowing the Libyan regime that I opposed and thought was wrong. The United States got involved in the war in Syria in sort of bizarre ways, the civil war in Syria.

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The United States has been involved in a wide variety of conflicts all over the world. And so this requires more specific definition. So J.D. Vance suggests, the vice president of the United States, that the American foreign policy has to be focused on our pure adversaries encountering them. Here's what he had to say.

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296.866 - 325.419 J.D. Vance (quoted)

Our government took its eye off the ball of great power competition and preparing to take on a peer adversary. And instead, we devoted ourselves to sprawling, amorphous tasks, like searching for new terrorists to take out while building up faraway regimes. Now, I want to be clear. The Trump administration has reversed course. No more undefined missions. No more open-ended conflicts.

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326.445 - 355.783 J.D. Vance (quoted)

We're returning to a strategy grounded in realism and protecting our core national interests. Now, this doesn't mean that we ignore threats, but it means that we approach them with discipline and that when we send you to war, we do it with a very specific set of goals in mind. And consider how this played out in just the last major conflict we engaged in with the Houthis over in the Middle East.

356.809 - 375.158 J.D. Vance (quoted)

We went in with a clear diplomatic goal, not to enmesh our service members in a prolonged conflict with a non-state actor, but to secure American freedom of navigation by forcing the Houthis to stop attacking American ships. And that's exactly what we did.

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OK, we can pause it right there. Now, again, the vice president would go on to suggest that the shift in thinking from ideological crusades to a principled foreign policy restores the credibility of America's deterrence in 2025 and beyond.

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And the Houthi example is a very interesting one for him to use here because the reality is that the Houthis have not actually ceased their activities in the Red Sea. Originally, we did not define our battle against the Houthis as simply restoring deterrence with regard to Houthi attacks on American ships. The goal was to restore freedom of navigation in the Red Sea.

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The goal was to ensure that people could use the Red Sea and the Suez Canal again in order to ship things, including oil and LNG from the region. That has not, in fact, been restored. And let's be clear about this. The Houthis are still shooting a couple of missiles a day over Saudi Arabian airspace at Israel.

Chapter 4: What are the challenges of U.S. foreign policy today?

Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Houthis in U.S. foreign policy?

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The reality is that in a world in which the United States refrains from any long-term commitments and refrains from flexible policy, what you end up with is more red lines crossed, actually. And so the question becomes for the administration, how strong are the administration's red lines and what happens when those red lines are crossed?

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When it came to the Houthis, the United States drew a red line. Originally, it was about freedom of navigation. That was literally in the signal chat that got leaked to Jeffrey Goldberg. which was accidentally included in the signal chat. It's about freedom of navigation. That freedom of navigation has not, in fact, been restored.

Chapter 6: How does Trump's approach differ from past administrations?

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The same thing holds true with regard to China. So right now, China has been... withholding from some sort of blockade or attack on Taiwan. There are a couple of reasons. One, they're not quite sure what President Trump is going to do if there were some sort of blockade attempted against Taiwan.

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There are definitely members of the Trump administration who basically would abandon Taiwan to its fate, regardless of the consequences. One of the sort of strange statements about this was made by Elbridge Colby, who is a deputy secretary of defense for policy. He's been a big proponent of the idea that we ought to shift our focus from the Middle East to China.

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But then he's also made statements like, if Taiwan gets attacked, we do nothing about it. So I'm not sure how that shifts the focus precisely. Now, China is basically banking on the United States not doing a lot about Taiwan. And or they're hoping that the United States, through its own trade policy, is going to sort of self-defeat.

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That the United States is going to weaken itself with its allies and thus lead to further inroads for the Chinese in their race toward artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence. So the question for China is, is the window closing? If China believes the window is closing, then they absolutely could go for Taiwan.

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If they believe that the United States is weak and will do little, they could absolutely blockade Taiwan. And that would be global economic disaster. Again, the only reason for China to do that is if they actually believe that their window is closing. They're an aging country. They do have significant debt problems. Their economy has always been a bit of a paper tiger.

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And I don't mean here they don't have enormous manufacturing capacity. They do. But there is a vast income divide in China. A huge percentage of the population makes like 150 bucks a month. And those people live out in sort of the rural areas of China. China has done a sort of incredible job of ensuring that its cities are not swelled with these people. They force people to stay in their own areas.

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And then they artificially boost buying in tier two and tier three cities. A lot of what we see sort of publicly from China is not exactly what is going on in China. So it is certainly true that they're sucking in money from the periphery and then they are using it in a sort of fascistic and mercantilistic push for manufacturing supremacy.

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And that's particularly true when it comes to artificial intelligence. However, they do have some very serious burgeoning financial problems. Obviously, they have a big real estate problem on their hands. They have a demographic problem on their hands. There are folks like Kenneth Rogoff, the American economist,

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who teaches at Harvard University, who suggested that actually the Chinese rates of growth are likely to slow sometime in the near future. If that happens, are they more or are they less likely to make a move on Taiwan? The answer probably is more likely to move on Taiwan, which presumably is why, according to the Taiwan News, China has now strengthened its ability to rapidly attack Taiwan.

Chapter 7: What are the implications of China's actions towards Taiwan?

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in public statements, because again, the United States has spent the last 20 years being non-credible in its threats. The Trump administration was credible during Trump one. Joe Biden was not credible in his threats. Barack Obama set red lines and then immediately obliterated them as soon as they met with the light of day.

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So over the weekend, the president of the United States threatened Tim Cook, suggesting that Apple needed to manufacture the iPhone in the United States. It was sort of a bizarre statement, considering the fact that the United States is not going to be a salutary place to actually produce the iPhone. If you want the iPhone to cost you $5,000, that's a really good way to do it.

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Cook had tried to shift production away from China and toward India, which would be really, really good. The United States needs to foster better economic connections with India, a rising power that is a bulwark against both Pakistan and And so it would be good if Apple made more connections with Modi's India. That'd be an excellent, excellent proposition.

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President Trump, of course, has suggested instead that there needs to be a reshoring of manufacturer of iPhones in the United States. Apparently, on Friday morning, according to the New York Times, President Trump caught much of his own administration and Apple's leadership off guard with a social media post threatening tariffs of 25% on iPhones made anywhere except the United States.

Chapter 8: What is the current state of negotiations with Iran?

3400.606 - 3410.109 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

We need to do what Doge has done looking at these contracts. We need to go through more than 2,000 lines of the federal budget line by line. Again, you can exclude Social Security, Medicare, and even Medicaid.

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3410.829 - 3423.418 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

I think we need to fix Obamacare because that's really the Medicaid portion that we're concerned about for single-age childless adults that are really leading to all this fraud by state governments. But leave that aside.

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3423.738 - 3442.196 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

There's literally hundreds of billions of dollars in both other mandatory as well as discretionary spending that exceeds what we spent in 2019 fully inflated by population growth and inflation. You go back, by the way, to Bill Clinton's total outlays. I don't think we were spending too little in 1998 or Barack Obama in 2019.

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3442.676 - 3447.318 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

You can save even more hundreds of billions of dollars, but you have to do the work. It's going to take the time.

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3447.358 - 3464.567 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

That was always the flaw of the one big, beautiful bill is going to be rushed, is going to use the same old technique, exempt most things, focus on a couple of programs, come up with a bunch of fake savings, put them out to the out years, crack me and say, oh, look at what a great job we did. No, you completely missed the moment, completely inadequate.

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So when we look at those 2019 spending levels, just to get a little bit more specific, what kinds of things would have to, quote unquote, be cut in order for us to restore the 2019 spending levels? Because obviously to I think everybody else, we remember 2019. It wasn't a year when we weren't spending lots of money. We were still spending lots of money.

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And you're right, obviously, that if we continued with our current level of tax revenue stacked up against what the spending levels were in 2019, we actually would have a budget surplus. So what would that actually look like in practice?

3492.452 - 3508.109 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Well, it would look like the more than inch-thick budget that I've already produced that does just that. It goes line by line. It pluses up what we spent in 2019 based on population inflation, then compares it to current spending. Now, again, if you're in business, this would literally be a five-minute conversation with my manager.

3508.169 - 3523.839 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Say, listen, you guys, I told you you could increase your budget based on inflation and the number of customers you serve. You're 10% over that. Cut it. Literally, a five-minute conversation I'd walk away if they didn't do it, I'd fire them. We ought to be able to do the same thing now. There are some sensitivities there. There are some programs that you can't touch that one.

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