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Ep. 2196 - A New Pope…Plus Will Trump RAISE Taxes?!

Fri, 9 May 2025

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The College of Cardinals selects the new Pope, and we examine his record; we analyze the details of President Trump’s trade deal with the UK, and consider the rumors that Trump wants to raise taxes; and the White House selects Casey Means for surgeon general. Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://bit.ly/3WDjgHE Ep.2196 - - - Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings - - - DailyWire+: Now is the time to join the fight. Watch the hit movies, documentaries, and series reshaping our culture. Go to https://dailywire.com/subscribe today. “Parenting” with Dr. Jordan B. Peterson premieres May 25th. https://bit.ly/3RXTL07 Get your Ben Shapiro merch here: https://bit.ly/3TAu2cw - - - Today's Sponsors: Perplexity is an AI-powered answer engine that searches the internet to deliver fast, unbiased, high-quality answers, with sources and in-line citations. Ask Perplexity anything here: https://pplx.ai/benshapiro PureTalk - Switch to PureTalk and start saving today! Visit https://PureTalk.com/SHAPIRO Silencer Shop - Thank you, Silencer Shop, for sponsoring this video! American Investment Council - Learn more about the American Investment Council and private equity at https://investmentcouncil.org Byrna - Thank you, Byrna, for sponsoring this episode! - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3cXUn53 Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3QtuibJ Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3TTirqd Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPyBiB - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy

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Chapter 1: What are the key details about the new Pope?

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But Jill would likely be required to review details surrounding the fact that Joe Biden was, you know, losing his mind and also the terrible debate he had with Trump that basically forced him out of the race. While the Bidens were doing the tour yesterday, they showed up on The View where Joe Biden explained that actually he could have won.

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Well, Mr. President, you had previously said that you thought that you would have won. Since then, Donald Trump won all the battleground states and made inroads with almost every major demographic, from working-class voters to Hispanic men to black men. Knowing what you know now, do you think you would have beat him?

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Yeah, he still got 7 million fewer votes.

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A lot of people didn't show up, number one, number one. Number two, the... They're very close in those toss-up states. It wasn't a slam dunk.

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So he seems like he's in the best of health. He seems like things are going really, really well. He was asked why he didn't get out earlier, and here was President Biden's explanation.

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Well, Mr. President, some have even argued that leaving the race and endorsing your vice president, Vice President Harris, over 100 days before the election hampered her campaign. What do you say to those critics?

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I say, number one, that there were still six full months. She was in every aspect, every decision I made, every decision we made. And I don't think... I hope I didn't sound the wrong way. I don't think anybody thought we'd be successful as you were.

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Oh boy. Oh boy. The worst part of this interview with The View, by the way, came when he was asked about all these books that are now coming out, including Jake Tapper's new book about his cognitive decline. And Jill literally had to step in in the middle.

Chapter 2: How does the election of Pope Leo XIV impact global politics?

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So apparently the Trump administration is now thinking of giving away the store to the Saudis without involving Israel in an Abraham Accord. I don't really see the upside of this for the United States. I'm not sure why exactly the United States has an interest in, for example, giving civilian nuclear capacity to the Saudis without requiring anything from the Saudis in return.

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That seems strange to me. The Abraham Accords were largely predicated on the idea that the United States would help broker a broader regional peace. This is what the Camp David Accords were about in 1978 with Egypt and Israel. This is what the Abraham Accords were originally about between the Israelis, the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco. The United States played broker.

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The United States now seems to be under President Trump trying to speed run the process by basically forcing Israel to do what the Saudis want by giving the Saudis everything they want and then saying that Israel can either jump on board or not jump on board. According to Israel Hayom,

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Washington has now abandoned its insistence that Saudi Arabia established diplomatic ties with Israel before nuclear cooperation talks can proceed. Reuters reported the U.S. has dropped its demand for Saudi to normalize relations with Israel as a prerequisite for advancing civil nuclear cooperation talks, according to two sources with knowledge of the matter. So here's the question.

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Why exactly is it in America's interest for Saudi to have civilian nuclear capacity if we don't get anything and the region doesn't get anything in return? What is the upside, precisely?

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Meanwhile, the Trump administration has now openly announced that the United States is negotiating with Iran over a nuclear deal without Israeli involvement, which seems like a pathway actually toward conflict because if the United States were to sign a bad nuclear deal with Iran and Iran were to continue to develop nukes, Israel's not going to sit by idly while that happens.

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So that's a strange move as well. And of course, the Trump administration announced earlier this week that they were no longer going to be fighting the Houthis at all, as long as the Houthis weren't attacking American shipping. Meanwhile, the Houthis are firing missiles at Israel. Now, again, it's not the United States' obligation to act on Israel's behalf in Yemen.

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Anymore, that's Israel's obligation to act on behalf of the United States in Yemen. However, opening daylight before you go into a fourth round of negotiations with the Iranians, in which the Iranians almost certainly will attempt to play for time, stall for time, gain, quote unquote, civilian nuclear capacity that is aimed at weaponization. This seems like very strange.

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These are strange policy moves to be certain. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth has also said, announced that he is no longer going to be going to Israel next week. President Trump, of course, is traveling only to the Gulf nations. He is traveling to Saudi. He is traveling to UAE and he is traveling to Qatar as well.

Chapter 5: What are the challenges of parenting in today’s society?

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Beyond that, the media are running around claiming that this Pope is woke. Again, this is, I assume, linked to the fact that he was very close with Pope Francis and With that said, the evidence so far suggests that he is extremely conservative on issues, including social issues, that he is very liberal on guns, that he is very liberal on immigration.

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Like if you were going to gauge him as a political candidate, not as a pope, which I understand the problems with that. I understand Catholics don't see this the same way that everybody else does. I'm talking about his political impact because that's one of the reasons he matters to the rest of the world who's not Catholic.

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If we are looking at what he has said, for example, about culture and about social issues, this is a direct quote from him, quote, Western culture often seeks to promote sympathy for beliefs and practices that contradict the gospel. For example, the homosexual lifestyle and alternative families made up of same-sex partners and their adopted children.

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Another quote from him, the promotion of gender ideology is confusing because it seeks to create genders that don't exist. And so they're indistinguishable from what would be rote Catholic doctrine. It was always funny to me that when Pope Francis would express support for the unborn, the media would run it as though it was a story. Nothing has changed would be the story there.

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Or when the Pope said that he was not in favor of same-sex marriage. Then suddenly that was run. It's like a front page story. Now, the problem with Pope Francis politically is that he would then kind of play around the edges. Pope Francis had suggested that same-sex couples could come and be blessed. It was kind of unclear whether he meant as individuals or as a couple.

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It probably was the former. It was treated as the latter. Obviously, he was making some sort of overtures to the LGBTQ plus minus divided by sign activists. Whether this new pope is going to do that or not is absolutely unclear. People are pretending that he is some sort of wild lib. I don't see the evidence for that at all.

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Apparently, he's a registered Republican because, again, he's from Chicago, so we actually know where he's registered. He's voted in some Republican primaries as well. He's also retweeted a bunch of material that is anti-J.D. Vance and President Trump with regard to immigration. So, for example, according to Mediaite, he joined Twitter in 2011 saying,

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And apparently he tweeted on April 14th, a retweet of a Catholic blogger named Rocco Palmo that denounced the White House's illicit deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia and quoted Bishop Evelio Menjivar. Do you not see the suffering? Is your conscience not disturbed? How can you stay quiet? Other recent tweets from Pope Leo XIV take issue with J.D.

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Vance's comments about Ordo Amoris, the Catholic theological concept on the order of charity. Vance, you'll recall in January, had suggested that this should be interpreted as love your family and then your neighbor and then your community and then your fellow citizens. And after that, prioritize the rest of the world.

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