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Nuggets shock Warriors without Jokić + Knicks surviving without Brunson
Tue, 18 Mar 2025
Aaron Gordon had 38 points and Russell Westbrook had a triple double to lead the Denver Nuggets to an improbable, shorthanded win over the Golden State Warriors. Dave DuFour and Law Murray breakdown the overtime finish between the Pacers and Timberwolves, the Rockets scrappy win, and the Warriors loss to the Nuggets without Nikola Jokić and Jamal Murray. Then, the Athletic’s Fred Katz and Dave discuss Fred’s latest article on the Knicks’ approach without Jalen Brunson, how it prepares them for the playoffs, and the disorganization of the Phoenix Suns.Host: Dave DuFourWith: Law Murray & Fred KatzExecutive Producer: Andrew SchlechtAudio Producer: Grayson MoodyRead Fred Katz on the Knicks: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6207882/2025/03/17/knicks-offense-jalen-brunson-injury-nba/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chapter 1: What happened in the Nuggets vs. Warriors game?
Good morning and welcome to the NBA Daily. Coming up, we got Law Murray here filling in for us. We're going to talk a little bit about the games last night. Warriors blow it, even though Nikola Jokic wasn't out there. So did the Wolves, even though the Pacers were missing four starters. And we got Fred Katz to talk about how the Knicks are surviving without Jalen Brunson. Good morning, everybody.
Good morning, Law. Appreciate you staying up with me and filling in for us here on this Tuesday morning. Weird night last night, Law. Weird night. You go into the night and you say, oh, OK, the Nuggets don't have Jokic. They don't have Jamal Murray. They're playing the Warriors. The Warriors are hot right now. Surely, Warriors going to pick up another win with Jimmy Butler.
We've got all these things we can say about how, wow, they haven't been tested yet because no one was out there. Out the window because the Warriors lose that game. The Wolves, they're at home. They've got the Pacers. Pacers missing four starters. Talk about how the Wolves, you know, they've been on this hot streak. They're getting business done. They come out flat, Law.
They blow the game to the Pacers. Let's dig in a little bit because I think this is – they're bad losses for both teams, but both teams were hot coming in. And I want to start with the Warriors side of this. I think that you can say – For the Nuggets, they got incredible performances from Russell Westbrook and Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon puts up 38 points. Russ gets a triple-double.
And this is the sort of stuff that you have come to expect from Russell Westbrook especially, right?
That's right. when Russell Westbrook was with the Clippers his first season and they go into the playoffs, Paul George is already out for the season, which, you know, we might talk about that later. And Kawhi Leonard didn't play after game two because he tore his meniscus.
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Chapter 2: How did the Nuggets perform without Jokic and Murray?
Remember that year in the middle of the year, there are people saying Russell Westbrook's time in the NBA was coming to an end because of his toxic time with the Los Angeles Lakers. And what they didn't realize was that put Russell Westbrook in position to succeed and he's going to do something.
He might not win you the game, but he's going to produce and put other people in position to produce as well. And we saw that in 2023 playoffs against the Suns. We went to Phoenix last year towards the end of the season when they needed to clinch a playoff spot. And Russell Westbrook put up a big time triple double, a historic triple double for him in Phoenix.
That was a late season performance quite like this one. Guy's not playing, right? And everyone has this thing where it's like, I'm going to watch a game because the star is playing. And if the star doesn't play, you think it's not worth watching that game. If you miss the game because of that... on Monday night, then shame on you.
And you have a month to make up for it because there's going to be a lot more games where you don't know what's going to happen. I was very interested in seeing the game. I saw how the game Saturday night ended in Denver when the wizards, Jordan pool, former warrior pulls up in front of Russ and games them. Right. And Michael Malone was upset. Nicole was like, ah, you know,
We're not good at certain aspects of the game. And then he doesn't play. Guys who are playing, that's where the focus needs to be. We always say, without this guy, without that guy, shorthanded, whatever. Who's playing? Who's lining up and who's got to actually play well? Because these guys are all pros. I thought their energy was awesome.
I mean, it starts with Russ, right? But even MPJ was active on the glass, active defensively, and obviously Aaron Gordon scoring 38 points. You tip your cap if you're the Warriors to that, but I think they flat out got outplayed. The Warriors were sloppy. The Warriors' offense, they couldn't make shots outside of Steph, and even Steph struggled to get going for a bit. Look...
Again, the Warriors have yet to play anyone with this new addition and still haven't played anyone yet. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say they came out flat. It was a veteran team that maybe was saying, oh, we got an easy night. We'll pull this out. But I think that there's some glaring issues there with them. Law, what did you see, especially in the struggles down the stretch?
Well, you mentioned playing, you know, flat. I mean, I don't think the Nuggets play particularly smart in this game. I mean, A.G. They also threw the 14 turnovers between them. You're supposed to lose a game if you give up 27 points off turnovers on the road, no matter who's playing. But the Warriors just got outworked like crazy. Denver had 18 offensive rebounds.
I think a lot of it just came down to Denver. Their defense has been embarrassing, and they finally played with some pride on that, and they made things hard. You know, like Steph missed 10 out of 14 threes. The rest of the Warriors, man, they made only four out of 19 threes, and jump shots are a little bit harder to come from when you got guys making your catches tough.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of the Warriors' loss?
They're bumping you off the ball. Again, Denver, I don't think, played with any sense of we need to be smart about things. Like they sent the Warriors to the line 27 times. But the shooting wasn't just limited. The poor shooting wasn't just limited to the field. I mean, Golden State missed 12 free throws as well. Four of those mystery throws were by Jimmy Butler, right?
So I think when it comes down to it is Denver, they outworked Golden State. But I think any team that's going to play the Warriors, whether it's a regular season or a playoff series or a play-in game, you never know. Your MO to play that team is to not be intimidated. Don't be intimidated by Draymond Green. Jimmy Bullard is going to go to his way into fouls. He's a foul merchant too, damn it.
And we all know how Stephen Curry gets his. He is a guy who continuously works off the ball to get to where his – Best spots are if you turn the ball over against Golden State, it's usually instant death because of their ability to hunt threes off of the fast break. You have to be locked in enough to not be intimidated and play physical.
And now that they have Jimmy, not send them to the line a bunch of times. And I think that's what Denver did. They started big. And if you're going to have Russ, Russ is going to play at a 10 all the time. And if you can withstand the mistakes, the one way you withstand mistakes is to make mistakes hard too. Go after those offensive rebounds. Some of those fouls might turn into turnovers.
And that's kind of how they won along with Aaron Gordon going back to Archbishop Mitty for a night. Yeah.
And also, I will say this, you know, stuff that stood out to me for the Warriors, Kuminga, Draymond, Jimmy Butler, that's some spacing problem. I mean, that is a huge spacing issue.
They're not a spectacularly good shooting team.
No, and Kuminga is going to be the guy that has to figure it out. He's the guy that's going to have to figure out how to play around those guys or he's not going to be able to close games for sure. And that probably isn't an issue. Let's swing it to the Wolves losing to the Pacers. Look, this is a great win for the Pacers. Great win.
Obi Toppin was amazing, including hitting just an incredible bank three in overtime to keep him in it. And then for the second week in a row, we have a Pacers win on a fading out of bounds in that left corner three-pointer because Obi Toppin hits that shot and, you know, just with – Very little time left on the clock for the Wolves.
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Chapter 4: How are the Knicks surviving without Jalen Brunson?
Yes. That's a huge difference between him and Mikkel Bridges, right?
And he's long, and that's a huge difference between him and Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson's physical, but he's not as fast as Deuce McBride. He doesn't have the agility of Deuce McBride, and he doesn't have length. Deuce McBride isn't very tall. He's got a long wingspan, and he's good at chasing guys around screens. He's good at guarding at the point of attack.
He's good at guarding pick and rolls, and he's really relentless. The effort level is insanely high with him at all times, and he doesn't really gamble very much, which is what you like to see at the point of attack as well. And all of a sudden you go from the Knicks having two weak points defensively in their starting lineup. So you've got Deuce McBride at the top of it.
Mikael Bridges doesn't have to guard the other players, the other team's best player every single second of every single night, like he's been doing for most of this year. OG Ananobi can just wall off one side of the court. Josh Hart can do his Josh Hart things and get into passing lanes. And you've got four guys who are pretty good to excellent defensively.
on the perimeter depending on the guy you're talking about and that can insulate carl anthony towns a little bit better than when you have brunson out there they're playing well defensively they're two and two without jalen brunson they've mostly played well defensively they lost that warriors game it was really tight they could not find ways to score in the half court a lot of the time especially when carl anthony towns wasn't scoring but defensively they were really good i thought against a team that's insanely hot and is really good
Well, they can switch a little bit better now, right? Like they're just more flexibility. What about Mitchell Robinson? Like you feel like just having him out there has made a big difference for them yet?
I think it's made a difference. I think it depends on the night. There are some times where you see like, oh, he looks he looks really good. I don't think he's there as a rebounder right now. The healthiest version of Mitchell Robinson, like what he was before he injured the ankle when he was at full strength. That's the best offensive rebounder in the NBA.
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Chapter 5: What defensive changes did the Knicks make?
I mean, he is the single best offensive rebounder in the NBA right now. He's not the single best offensive rebounder in the NBA. There are a lot of balls that I've seen where he kind of gets a fingertip on it. And you're like, you know what? Fully healthy. Mitchell Robinson is, is, is tapping that up in the air four times and actually coming down on it.
Cause he's really quick when he's at full strength on his, on his second jump defensively. I don't think he's already all the way there either. That being said, um, There have been tons of moments where guys have come into the lane, he's rotated over promptly, and a shot just hasn't gone up. They've just chosen not to go for the layup.
And you know if Karl-Anthony Towns is that guy, that rotation might be coming a little bit later. Or maybe if Towns even hits it promptly, guys just aren't scared of him. They're still putting up the layup, and there's a decent chance that's still going to go in because it's a layup, and they're not going to feel deterred by it.
So I do think he's been a net positive in that sense, and I do think the Knicks... Are trying to get to a place to where if Mitchell Robinson can look like himself, even if it's for only 15, 20 minutes a game, I think they would love to be able to get to a place where they could play him and Carl Anthony Towns together somewhat regularly.
And then all of a sudden you've got a rim protector behind Towns and that changes their defensive dynamic.
That's when he's been his most successful in his career was playing with Rudy Gobert and the run that they just had, you know, last season. And, you know, when I thought about him on the Knicks, it was one of the things I assumed they wanted to replicate was the double big lineup. You get him out there and Carl Anthony Towns can defend.
He just can't be your primary rim protector, and that's one of the limitations for him. But let's talk about the thing with Cat that he has no limit, and that's the offensive side. Because you bring a guy like Cat in to make Jalen Brunson's life easier and to cover when he's not there. So how do you feel like Cat has performed since Jalen Brunson's been out?
I mean, he is the number one offensive option now.
Without question. And I think until that Warriors game the other night, I would actually say he's been struggling of late. You know, he hurt his knee late in the game a few weeks ago, and he hasn't quite looked the same ever since hurting the knee. The shot has been off, finishing around the rim has been off. He's had stretches where he's kind of just not really touched the ball much during games.
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Chapter 6: What impact does Deuce McBride have on the Knicks?
Chapter 7: How did the Pacers manage to win without key players?
But if that dude can make shots and play with some, you know, just some hair on his damn chest, then he's going to be a problem in an X Factor, especially considering he's coming off the bench. Like, I think that... You know, he has determined that he's not going to start. Jabari is not going to start under any circumstances.
A man Thompson took his starting job and then a man Thompson sprays his ankle and he's not going to start Jabari Smith. Terry Eason is going to start. And you know what? If Jabari Smith Jr. can accept that role and determine he's going to crush whoever is in the second unit opposite him, that's going to be a difference maker because the Houston Rockets have good players in that starting lineup.
And they're going to have good players when a man comes back. And then Tari Eason, Jabari Smith Jr., they need one more reserve to really make you feel like they're going to win more than one playoff series. I think the Rockets, out of a lot of teams in the West that are quite mid-
they're going to make a case to, I mean, they might be the two seed if they handle their business over the last four weeks. And they have the head coach who's going to keep them accountable to do those things over these last, you know, just remainder of the month at the very least.
they're in the seat right now um uh quickly you mentioned it a little bit earlier paul george out for the season give me 30 seconds what's happening with him this summer just your guess um my guess is that paul's probably played his last game there i mean i saw daryl morey give a contract to chris paul that he probably didn't want to give him running back tweet and everything and then
James Harden said, we'll figure it out when they couldn't beat the Warriors in round two. And Chris Paul was sent with a first round pick in Russ or for Russ to OKC just to get off of that deal. This was a deal that we probably could have saw coming. I mean, it was a matter of really not even Paul staying healthy. It was Joel and both of those guys. They didn't even make it past St. Patrick's Day.
I have no, you know, no disrespect to Paul because that dude is year 15, you know, but his body and those years, that mileage is not going to look, make that contract look good for whoever has it for the remainder of the deal.
Yeah. It's a rough season. I'm powerful law. Murray go read the power rankings over at the athletic guys. Stick around after the break, Fred cats goes deep on the Knicks and also the disorganization of the Phoenix suns.
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Chapter 8: What are the playoff implications for the Wolves and Clippers?
Like, you're going to see Drew Holiday, like, guarding him. And that's if they get past Detroit, who is an incredibly physical defense, and a guy like Isaiah Stewart, who is strong as all hell, but Cat's got, like, five inches on. You know? A guy who is that much smaller than you, push him back, man. Like, push him back before you get the basketball. Do your work early, and you're good.
And that's something that I would love to see if I were the Knicks – Otherwise, I mean, he's an extraordinary.
What about getting back to some of that high post offense that they used to run, you know, with Hartenstein? And I mean, you know, that was something I expected with Kat. You know, this is this guy can score at three levels like he can shoot that that elbow jumper like that's in his game. But it seems like with Kat on the Knicks, it's his his offense either starts on the wing.
or down in that mid post. And they're leaving this space in the middle, just wide open. I understand Jalen Brunson operates there quite a bit, but this would be such a way to give Jalen a little bit of a break by having cat as this hub. I mean, he's such a great passer. You know, he's one of the better passers on this team.
I agree. I think it's a great point. It's something that maybe they could get to a little bit more. Ultimately. I think cat has his spots on the floor where he's the most comfortable and and he likes to operate out of those spots. You know, guys have their spots where they're the best.
And I think cat likes getting it on the wing and either being able to go up to shoot or being able to just catch and go and attack and drive from there. I think he likes being able to get, operate from the mid post and being able to go to whether it's a hook shot or a face up or a drive or back guy down or whatever it is.
I think those are the spots where he's generally the more comfortable or obviously he's screening in the pick and roll, which he's been doing way less since Jalen Brunson, um, since Jalen Brunson went down because there just weren't those pick and roll combinations. You know, there are some guys also who he runs pick and roll with. For example, you actually look at the numbers.
I think the Josh Hart, Carl Anthony Towns pick and roll is the fourth most efficient pick and roll combination in the NBA right now. Which is crazy.
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