In this special bonus episode of SEQUESTERED, co-creators Sara and Andrea sit down for an honest, behind-the-scenes conversation about the making of the podcast, the aftermath of the trial, and the growing impact of Jasmine Pace’s story. They reflect on what it was like to turn ten intense days of jury duty into a nationally recognized podcast—while honoring Jasmine’s memory every step of the way. From the emotional weight of courtroom testimony to the surreal experience of appearing on Dateline NBC, Sara shares what surprised her most—and what still haunts her. You’ll hear new insights from prosecutors Coty Wamp and Paul Moyle, theories that never made it into trial, and the eerie connection between an unsettling art piece and the crime itself. The episode closes with gratitude, love for Jasmine’s family, and a promise: more stories are coming. 🔎 Got a case we should cover next? Email us at [email protected] or send us a DM on Instagram @sequesteredpod. If this story moved you, please rate and review the show—it helps more than you know! Here is the blog for this bonus episode on our website. On our website, you can see more photos, videos, and blogs about each day of the trial, organized by episode. Go to SequesteredPod.com Website: sequesteredpod.com Instagram: @sequesteredpod TikTok: @sequesteredpod Thank you for listening. SEQUESTERED is a BP Production.
Chapter 1: What is the special focus of this bonus episode?
Hey, everyone. Welcome to this special bonus episode of Sequestered. I'm Sarah, and this is my co-producer, Andrea. Hey, everyone.
Whether you've been with us since the very beginning or just found us thanks to Dateline or the Apple podcast feature, we're so glad you're here.
Yes. This has been a wild few months, hasn't it? It has. We've heard from so many of you, listeners and journalists and survivors. Yes. Yes. Even people connected to the trial. And we've realized there were still a few stories left to tell. Things that didn't quite make it into the main episodes and moments we just wanted to sit with a little longer.
So today's episode is a bit different. Just the two of us having a candid conversation. And we'll reflect on the making of the podcast. We'll share some behind the scenes moments. And we'll talk about what it was like to be a part of Dateline. We'll even explore a few case details that didn't make it into season one. Yes.
And a heads up, you'll also hear us refer to Jasmine as Jazzy throughout the episode. That's what our friends and family called her. And in the courtroom, we really only knew her as Jasmine. So now that we've spent so much time with her story, we want to think of her as Jazzy, too.
So grab a coffee, take a walk, settle in, whatever you do while you listen, and join us for this behind-the-mic conversation about sequestered and jazzy and everything in between.
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Chapter 2: How did the podcast evolve from the trial?
Okay, let's start at the beginning. How this whole thing came to be.
Yeah, so while the trial unfolded in the courtroom, another story was quietly being formed in the background. And that was the story of how we'd eventually tell it.
Right. Okay, and to be honest, I didn't exactly set out to become a juror or a true crime podcaster for that. But here we are. But here we are. OK, so let's talk about how sequestered came to life, like what surprised us most while creating it and how it's changed us along the way. OK, great.
I mean, it's one thing to say like this should be a podcast and another thing to make it as quickly as we did. That's the first thing that comes to mind. Right. Like what made this really so unique was that we had to move fast. Yeah.
We committed early on to the writing and producing of the podcast in real time in order to capture the details and emotions of your experience while it was still fresh. Right. So we started basically as soon as you got back.
Right. Yeah. And what surprised me was how much I was still carrying like after those 10 days in Chattanooga. Right. I saw and heard things in the courtroom that I hadn't obviously not even begun to process yet. Yeah. But once you and I started mapping out the episodes, it became super clear that this wasn't going to just be about the trial. Like I wanted to tell Jasmine's story.
Yes, yes. That was something we committed to from the very start. We didn't want this to feel like any sensationalized true crime thing. Right. We wanted to honor Jazzy's life first, but we also wanted to show what it feels like to carry the responsibility of a juror on a murder trial deciding someone else's fate.
Yeah, and that's a tricky balance, I would say. Yeah. We wanted to be honest, obviously, but not exploitative. Yeah. We wanted to be detailed, but not graphic just for the sake of it. Right. Like there were a lot of moments where we, where you and I had to pause and say, is this respectful? Yeah. Does this serve the story or is it just our curiosity, you know?
Right. Like that, that was something we came across a lot of times is how do we tell this part of the story?
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Chapter 3: What emotional challenges did the juror face?
But again, if I turn my head to the left, he's going to see me looking at him. So I just didn't want to do that. Yeah. So I didn't know until after the trial was over, I texted the bailiff kind of while making this podcast. And that's when he confirmed that every time an image was projected on the screen, it would also be projected on the screens in front of him. In front of Jason Chen. Right.
In front of Jason Chen at his desk. Wow. So he was actually seeing the images that we were seeing the whole time, probably more defined than even what we were seeing. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
That is crazy to realize that. Right. From the live stream when I was watching the trial, you could only see that his head was down. I didn't realize there were monitors. So I thought that maybe his defense had said, you know, make it look this way. Yeah. Convenient. Right. Yeah, that's the thing most people don't realize is being on a jury. It's not just facts and timelines and things like that.
It's about human behavior. I mean, right. Yeah. Obviously, you want to make decisions based on the evidence. But, you know, things like that, noticing the eye contact, the body language, you had to kind of keep track of all of it.
Chapter 4: What unique experiences did they have on Dateline?
Right. Absolutely. And and they were they were keeping track of our energy, our eye contact, our body language, you know, everyone else in the courtroom. Yeah. And for them, we had to keep track of that every day, not just because we had to make a decision. But once you're in that room, you feel the weight of that responsibility. So you just you just want to get it right.
Yeah. And I think you did. I think we did, too. You know, talking about Jason and how he interacted with those crime scene photos in the courtroom leads us into something we've been sitting with for a while. And honestly, it's haunted both of us since we learned about it.
Yeah, this is something that didn't come up in the trial, but we found out about later. And that is that investigators discovered several photos on Jason Chen's phone of a very specific art piece that he took while he was on a trip in D.C. visiting the Smithsonian. So I looked it up. The piece is called The Birth of Eve, and it's by an artist named Judith Schechter.
She's a stained glass artist from Philadelphia who's completely redefined the medium. It's actually really beautiful. Her work uses the visual language of Gothic cathedrals, like stuff you'd see in old churches. But instead of saints or angels, she explores pain, emotion, and isolation. It's really raw. Mm-hmm.
So this piece is part of the permanent collection at the Smithsonian if you ever find yourself there. It depicts a nude woman suspended upside down and is curled tightly in the fetal position. Her arms and legs are pulled in close, almost like she's being held or confined by something invisible. It's deeply unsettling. I agree. So here's how this whole art piece connects to Jason Chen.
And again, this was never part of the trial, but once I saw it and knowing Jason had several images of it saved in his phone, it was really hard not to compare it with the crime scene photos we saw.
I mean, that's crazy if that's true.
I know. So whether it was conscious or not, it's something I've not been able to stop thinking about, like the positioning, the stillness, the compression of her body. It mirrored the art piece so closely and seeing it just still makes my stomach turn.
And we want to be clear, this is speculation, but when we found out about this art piece, it was so hard to not make that connection. Right. And it wasn't a part of the trial, and we're not saying it proves anything, but it is one of those details that just feels too strange to ignore.
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Chapter 5: What was the significance of Jason Chen's art connection?
Chapter 6: How did jurors interact with witnesses during the trial?
But she really was able to explain the panic that a mother or a parent would have when they're trying to find their daughter, which helped explain why they broke into Jason Chen's apartment.
Right. Yeah, I know. It reminded me that everyone in the courtroom was carrying something with regards to this. Yeah. And like for them, it wasn't just about putting Jason Chan on trial. Right. This was about making sure Jasmine's voice didn't get lost in the legal process.
Yeah. And I feel like both General Womp and DA Paul Moyle, they saw you and the other jurors as part of that process. And they were counting on you guys to hold that weight alongside of them. I totally agree.
And we felt the weight of that every day.
Yeah, I imagine.
Okay, the last thing we talked about with DA's Womp and Moyle was the appeal Jason Chen's legal team filed to challenge the verdict. The appeal was filed on the grounds that the verdict was, quote, contrary to the evidence, with claims that Chen was denied a fair trial due to alleged evidence being tampered with by Jasmine's family.
As of the release of this episode, there have been no publicly reported updates regarding his appeal, which was scheduled for April 11th, 2025.
Yeah, there's a lot of confusion around what an appeal actually means. So we asked them to explain it in plain terms and to share what this particular appeal might involve.
A motion for new trial is filed in every single case after every single trial. Standard, yes. Standard. You have to argue the motion for new trial before you can go through the actual Court of Appeals process. Very standard formality. There are some cases in which there can be significant issues.
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Chapter 7: What insights did the District Attorneys provide?
And before we go, we just want to send so much love to Jasmine's family. You are the reason justice happened and we're holding you close in our hearts.
It's true. So many of the comments from listeners are sending your family their love and reassurance that Jasmine's name will never be forgotten. Thanks to all of you for being here, for listening and for remembering Jazzy with us.
Stay safe, stay curious, and we'll see you next time.
This is a BP production. The show is written, edited, and produced by me, Sarah Reed, with co-production by Andrea Clyde. Music and sound design are curated to reflect the gravity and sensitivity of this story, and with the intent to honor Jasmine, her family, and the community affected by her death.
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