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Destination Citizenship: Navigating Global Mobility and Tax Benefits with Jeremy Savory
Tue, 29 Apr 2025
Right About Now with Ryan AlfordJoin media personality and marketing expert Ryan Alford as he dives into dynamic conversations with top entrepreneurs, marketers, and influencers. "Right About Now" brings you actionable insights on business, marketing, and personal branding, helping you stay ahead in today's fast-paced digital world. Whether it's exploring how character and charisma can make millions or unveiling the strategies behind viral success, Ryan delivers a fresh perspective with every episode. Perfect for anyone looking to elevate their business game and unlock their full potential.Resources:Right About Now NewsletterFree Podcast Monetization CourseJoin The NetworkFollow Us On InstagramSubscribe To Our Youtube ChannelVibe Science MediaSUMMARYHost Ryan Alford chats with Jeremy Savory from Millionaire Migrant, about the future of global citizenship, remote work, and living without borders. From his upbringing with deaf parents to building a global business, Jeremy shares insights on multiple residencies, tax-friendly jurisdictions, and how technology is reshaping how—and where—we live and work.TAKEAWAYSThe concept of global citizenship and its evolving nature.The impact of technology on business operations and travel.The importance of being proactive in seeking opportunities in a changing world.Personal experiences influencing views on migration and nationality.The idea of destination citizenship and its benefits for individuals and businesses.The challenges and complexities of taxation in different countries.The role of technology and remote work in redefining employment.Cultural differences in lifestyle and cost of living across countries.The implications of high taxation on wealth and innovation.The potential for investment opportunities through global mobility.You can check & subscribe to Millionaire Migrant's YouTube channel: @MillionaireMigrantSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: Who is Jeremy Savory and what is his background?
None of this would have happened if I just stayed in the UK.
There's so much out there that people don't realize because, you know, they want to have the, they say that their state has the best pancakes or the other state has the best burgers or, you know, we go out to the local bar and sometimes there's an amazing life full of crazy stories you could have if you just travel the world and see that there's ways also to make money as well.
It's really interesting, Jeremy. I didn't until – I've read all about you coming into this, read your story. But not until you kind of said it out loud did I sort of frame – thinking about the way you grew up and not experiencing the norms that most people do and having to frame your own. So in a way, it made you a free thinker because you didn't have those voices.
You know, your parents' voices are always in your head, right, if you grow up. But having two deaf parents that probably clearly did not speak or – Yeah, there weren't really that many voices. Yeah, no voices. I'm thinking, do you have any brothers or sisters? Yeah, I've got one brother, yeah. Okay.
But, I mean, the TV had subtitles on all the time, right? So, you know, we... My parents couldn't hear anything. So we could just play any music we wanted, even like rap music. They couldn't hear, you know, don't listen to that type of stuff.
The only time that... But there were a few times, like if you were really mad at your parents, you would just cover your mouth and be like, yeah, you know, F you and all that type of stuff.
I also remember... Was that tough though?
I mean, there had to be some... I'm just... I know you're not here to tell how poor things were, but I didn't want to do justice to that. That would not be easy.
Yeah, it wasn't tough. I mean, kids are brutal, as you can imagine. Kids just want to blend in. No one wants to be the tall guy because then you get teased. Nobody wants to be the fat guy. Nobody wants to be looking like this. So you just want to kind of blend in and hope that no one spots you. So I just don't want anyone knowing that I was different or my parents were different.
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Chapter 2: How did Jeremy's upbringing influence his worldview and business approach?
But what was really weird is when I got to university, it was actually the opposite. In the university, you would tell people because no one knows you. You're just all strangers in a different part of town and no one knows where you're back home. And then when you tell people, you're really cool. You're like this, like...
interesting fascinating person but i think that tells us a lot about society is that one of you you need to conform and you need to blend in and then just like a year later you can be purple haired and calling yourself whatever you want and everyone loves that type of variety but i think that's a that's more about society than ourselves but yeah it was it was different and looking back now now that i'm starting to raise my my public profile because i work in industry that is quite um
low profile, should we say, because we help people to obtain second nationalities. But now I see that I started this YouTube channel. It's getting a lot of traction. The feedback I'm getting is that people understand me in any part of the world. And the reason being is that I don't really have an accent, and I'll come to that later. But also the way I talk is with my hands.
But that's because I've always had to talk with my hands. And so a lot of people, you know, this type of thing, when you're in this part of the world where I am, which is Dubai, but I do business in Africa, South America, Asia, You're dealing with people that English is not their first language. But the fact that you can use your hands is actually a bit of a superpower.
Do you still know sign language?
I know the alphabet, but I think a misconception that a lot of people have is that we all know sign language. Like I'm Koda, you know, there's that movie that came out. I mean, it glamorizes a little bit life in the deaf household. But we don't actually, I don't know sign language. And you don't actually need to know sign language. You just need to be able to express yourself clearly.
And you'll be fine. I did make one mistake when I lived in France. It was my first time living overseas and I saw a French deaf family. So I thought, I got this. Hey, I got this. So I started doing sign language to them in English, like the English way. And the guy just looked at me and was like, are you making fun of me right now? And I was like, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, like this.
And he's like, I think you're insulting me. You're insulting me, aren't you? I was like, no, no, wait, I didn't mean to do this. So I realized that not all sign languages work in different countries. For example, in the United States, the American sign language uses one hand, whereas British uses two. So, you know, these are some of the things that I have learned. Are your parents still alive?
My father passed away some years ago. My mother is still having a great time in the UK. And she's a great personality. Like I brought her to my office annual party and they all love my mom. Like she's a wonderful woman. Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What inspired Jeremy to enter the global citizenship and migration industry?
Yeah, man. What got you into the migration thing? I mean, obviously, you like to travel, which you have to if you're going to do that. Last time I checked. But what drew you into this industry specifically?
It was actually a confluence of factors. So the first was I obtained my French nationality by descent. So I traced my ancestry and I thought, okay, I can get a French passport. So I traced my ancestry. It was very painful exercise. It was very difficult, but I managed to get the French nationality, which is a grade A passport. It's a European passport. So even when the UK, we did Brexit.
I would like to take credit that I knew 10 years in advance that we would leave the European cooperation, but at the same time, it became one of the reasons why all my clients do second passports. They realize the value in having another nationality. Americans are the last ones to the party, but even Americans, are considering seriously.
And the numbers are really big, like the numbers in Portugal, the numbers in the UK, the numbers in other jurisdictions. Americans are now in the top two brackets. And America is a bastion of safety. If Americans are doing it, what does that tell us about where the world is going? And I think you can see from the last two weeks, we're in a bumpy ride right now.
So I got my French nationality and then I also met my wife in South America, in Colombia. So I visited Colombia and I met this lady and I said, right, come back to Dubai with me. It was really tough for her to get a residency status in the UAE, which by the way, is probably one of the easiest countries to get a residency status now.
And then afterwards, I wanted her to meet my mother and tell her, my mom, like, I want you to meet this lady. I'm going to marry her. And her visa to the UK got rejected. So these three things taught me about the power that not all nationalities are the same. Not all of us are equal. The power of passwords, the power of residency.
The challenges of applying for visas, which some of us take for granted being American and British passport holders. And then I was like, you know what? I think people, I think there's a business here. I think there's, you know, that's where the business is. And it started off with a tiny little desk and a secondhand Jeep Wrangler, which I paid 2000 bucks for.
It was a 1998 Jeep Wrangler with a big speaker that took up the whole of the trunk. And the speaker didn't work. So it just took up a lot of space and didn't really give anything else. Take it out. But, you know, this is how these business stories start. And that's how it started. I got one client and then I got three clients and then I got five.
And we process now in excess of 200 families a year. We've got about 60, sorry, almost 70 people across eight offices. And we look after a lot of the ultra high net worth and high net worth people everywhere from the US to Asia. We just got some passports today from a Spanish company. Spanish and Chinese families. So these people are super happy.
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Chapter 4: How does technology enable global mobility and remote business?
But you have these lines drawn up by countries from wars and situations hundreds of years ago. And I don't want to say they're arbitrary, but as long as you're a free country and we're not at war over something stupid – There should be like free passage and all that, but it's not that way. So you have to explore these routes. I don't know. It's a fascinating thought process. And how hard is it?
I mean, you know, I'm sure that's why you have a corporation with eight offices or whatever you said, like, because it must be, you know, it's not the easiest thing to do. But talk to me about the process of it.
Yeah, so I think there's a book that is a really important book that anyone who's interested to know how the world is going to be because of technology and how governments are really going to struggle to be able to contain us. And that's called The Sovereign Individual. It's written by William Rees-Mogg. And this book talks about how...
Over as societies have changed over the years, how governments or the state or the church or whatever it may be, has tried to be able to confine people. And now obviously there'll be people who can and can't do this. So if you're doing manual labor or physical labor, this is going to be tough for you. But technology is coming to every part of our business. It's everywhere.
It's invading the whole of society. But knowing that you can go and be in one country, you can obtain a nationality from one country, you can obtain a residency from another, you can be a tax resident in a third or incorporate a company in a third country. And you can do business. It's like all these companies like Amazon and Google are doing.
Starbucks, for example, makes tons of money from the UK but pays almost no tax because they are able to charge the franchise fees and loyalties to a third-party country, which allows them to mitigate their taxes. But people are doing the same. A lot of people are moving to tax-friendly jurisdictions and running their business there.
Let's say in South America, you've got Paraguay, you've got Panama. These are two very well-known countries where you have a lot of North Americans. I've been there and I visited them last year. They're down there saying, I don't pay any taxes here. My rent is a third to two-thirds sometimes less than what I'd be paying back home. I get to live very comfortably.
The cost of living is much less than it is in the United States. I mean, when you see that a carton of eggs is like a dollar an egg, right? It's like 13 bucks for 12 eggs. You go to South America. One thing I've noticed living and being married to a Latina is like the first time she met me and I started cooking and I use cooking inverted commas. She was like, I don't understand why you guys
use cook food from tints like it's it's a british thing we like cook food things like we're not known for our food by any stretch and she's like we get everything from the soil everything's fresh avocados mangoes um root vegetables and so imagine you can be from united states which by the way if you're saying the uk is pretty bad with food no offense but america
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Chapter 5: What are the benefits of destination citizenship and tax-friendly jurisdictions?
But the good thing is that there is a day of reckoning in big food in the United States, which is really good to see. So when you get to eat fresh food, affordable cost of living, pay zero taxes, affordable rent, and run a business, which up until about a week ago, you could get paid in dollars, which was a very strong purchasing power. Obviously, that's changed slightly in the last week or so.
But why wouldn't you want to leave? Like, I meet young guys crushing it in the crypto space or trading space and living in Vancouver or living in Toronto and, you know, what is it, minus 20 degrees, paying 50% taxes, 51% taxes. What are you doing? You can run that business anywhere in the world, and you don't have to be freezing your balls off either.
So that's the way the world is going, and it's only going to accelerate.
Yeah, and... It's interesting to think about how government and religion, you know, these institutions, we'll just call them the institutions that sort of of conformity. And, you know, I don't like to throw the baby out with the bathwater. That's that's my saying. Like, you know, we need some amount of laws and governing and like institutions.
But, you know, sometimes those institutions serve themselves better than they serve us. And I think that's the day of reckoning that you're talking about because it feels closer than it ever has.
Yeah, I agree with you. And I think Europe is one of those places that I can talk about very intimately. For example, recently I was looking to buy a property in France. So I thought, I have a good portfolio, I'm French, and the price of the property wasn't much. It was like... It was like 400,000 euros. It was an apartment near Monaco.
The amount of documentation they asked me, I was like, why do I need to do all this? Like, come on, man. Like, it's very straightforward. It was almost like they were trying to find a way for me not to buy. I spoke to someone... And they said, oh, yeah, that's just the way France is. They just see the you being in the UAE. It doesn't matter, but they're just not really interested in that business.
Oh, great. So you don't want anyone in sovereign oil-producing nations to invest in real estate? I mean, you've been to the south of France. Isn't it mainly people from oil-producing nations that buy most of the real estate down there? So it's going against their best interests. I looked at the UK. I was with my family in London last summer.
Every summer, we kind of travel around Europe and the UK. I bring my entourage, my tribe with me. So I usually bring a relative, couple of relatives, my family. And we were staying in this Airbnb house. And my cousin came to pick me up. He's British. He lives in the UK. We left and apart from the fact that in the UK, this is what you have to pay. You have obviously your income tax.
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Chapter 6: How do cultural and lifestyle differences impact global living choices?
Because now you take away meritocracy. Like, if you just know that the harder you work, the more taxes you're going to pay, we already have that as progressive tax rate.
But if it's really that, oh, but when I build a business, I want to sell it, you're going to tax me on my unrealized gain as well, or my realized gain, then do we just become probably the worst thing we can be, which is demotivated and unambitious, and just in a form of status where, like, who's going to build anything? Who's going to create anything? Who's going to grow a business.
Who's going to take risks?
That's, that's the motivation. Yeah, exactly. And I think, uh, with AI and everything else and the ability, like you said, I mean, it, it, Blue collar, you know, being the exception and, you know, needing, you know, skilled trade people and things like that. But like the rest of the world, AI is and where the job gets done doesn't really matter anymore.
I mean, you know, like COVID sort of forced a lot of people into this realization, sending people home. And a lot of companies are struggling with putting that genie back in the bottle. And, you know, I embrace it. I mean, it's like our company. I keep we run hybrid and I'm leaner than we've ever been while also, you know, working from wherever.
I think a lot of people are coming to this realization that place and company aren't necessarily tied together. Exactly.
Exactly. Exactly as you said. Now, obviously, we're going to miss home. You might miss the United States, but you can move to another state. You've got Puerto Rico. You've got Florida, for example. I miss home sometimes. I'm not all about the money, but I just had things that pulled me away to be in the Middle East, for example.
I lived in Portugal for some time as well, and I've lived in other parts of the world. I lived in Africa and Asia. But the pull to leave the UK was stronger than the reason to stay in the UK. It wasn't purely financially driven. I mean, I would never have met my wife in South America. My wife would be English if I stayed in the UK. My life would be like my friends back home.
But I happen to have now a life that is a little bit more exotic, a little bit colorful because I have a Latin wife. I have a lot of... I have a circle of business contacts, which is... really the envy of private banks. I mean, actually, I've had private bankers come to me and just say, like, you're sitting on something quite special here. None of this would have happened if I was in the UK.
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Chapter 7: What challenges exist with global taxation and obtaining multiple residencies?
I've had properties in... Oh, where are we going?
Is that for pleasure? I need to get a bigger apartment. You know, a number of people are like, yeah, I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm here, Jeremy. Don't worry, we'll have a lot of fun. I need to run it by my boss first.
She's not too hot with that idea. But yeah, so I mean, all of this, there's just so much out there in the world. There's investment plays, there's opportunities, there's businesses, there's tax plays. There's so much out there. And I think that this is just going to happen. I mean, I don't even need to advertise it.
People are young people growing up in the US or Canada or high tax jurisdictions, just seeing no opportunities for them, no scope for growth. The only thing they do is if they do take a risk and they do work seven days a week, 365 days a year, it's a great big tax bill and future tax bills to come. And I think because I've been working in the second passport business for so long,
I think that there is a genuine concern that once the government starts to – they've run out of all the taxes they can come up with, income tax and capital gains tax and property taxes, annual property taxes that keep going like they have in California. Once they start to look at this, and then afterwards, they will wipe out the tax exemptions.
And then afterwards, when they will introduce taxes on those people who are leaving and try to implement exit taxes, which they did in Norway, for example, not too long ago. And now they're talking about it in France. Once they've done all the exit taxes, which, by the way, also stops people coming to your country because it's going to scare people away, what's the only tax that you have left?
As of today, there's only two countries that tax their citizens, and that's the United States that everybody knows about, and you have Eritrea. But Eritrea doesn't have the ability to enforce it. The United States does, which is why every American has to sign a FATCA form when they open an overseas bank account.
But what happens when the rest of Europe starts to say, well, you know, we don't really have any more money, so let's tax for you guys because use our embassies, use our consulates. You've got a pretty strong passport. That's going to be worth some money. Then you need to pay every year for that. I mean, we're not far away from that day coming, right? I mean, it's coming.
That's why people need to have a second nationality. That's why they need to take advantage of it.
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Chapter 8: What is the future outlook for global citizenship and migration trends?
Okay. So my citizenship and residency company, Sabrin Partners, has been doing this for 15 years. We've been helping hundreds of families. We've actually helped 2,100 families obtain a second nationality, sometimes a third nationality. And so what happens is that business takes care of it. Millionaire Migrant is my personal channel where people can get a consultation call with me.
They can speak to me directly, which you don't really, nobody really gets that. But it also allows us to provide a guidance on tax and and residency, as well as citizenship by descent. So maybe we see that, Ryan, your surname looks a bit British. I think you could have a good shot at trying to get some, becoming a fellow Brit like myself. Could be Irish, actually. You could do that, Alford.
So you've got those options. But if you wanted to obtain a second nationality, there's no restrictions being an American national. You can have any other passport you have. You can get it through investments. You can do it by descent, as I mentioned, by tracing the ancestry. You can do it by residency. You just live in a country for a certain period of time.
And afterwards, there'll probably be a language test and you could get that passport. There's countries like, well, pretty most countries in Europe, after five years, you'll be able to apply for the nationality, provided you speak the language. But let's say you wanted to do by investment. You've got the five Caribbean jurisdictions, which are St. Kitts and Nevis, Antigua and Barbuda, St.
Lucia, Commonwealth of Dominica, and Grenada. All those countries there, within a period of about six to, unfortunately, some are taking a bit longer, but let's say six months, you'll be able to obtain a second nationality. Now, that won't relieve you of your fiscal contribution to the United States unless you were to renounce. Renunciation can be done. It's lengthy.
It's lots of paperwork around your financials, but it can be done and people do do it. And if you look at the data, renunciations have been going up year on year considerably for American nationals. But in order to commence the enunciation, you need to have a primary nationality. You can't just give up your one and only passport. You need to have a passport already.
So, you can do that if you want to do that, but you don't have to. But if you can keep both passports and just keep one in your back pocket for emergencies, that's also an option. In terms of moving to Paraguay or any other country that has a zero tax or close to zero tax territorial tax, you just have to move there. My team will take care of everything.
you move there and you just have to be able to make sure that you can show enough ties to that country and less ties to the country where you're actually coming from. So you want to do the 183 days, you don't want to be spending more time in the US, that clearly will show that you have ties to the United States.
But if you can show more ties to that second country and less ties to the United States, you will be able to show that you're a fiscal resident in Paraguay for the purpose of this conversation. Invest in a company there, invest in a property there, have a very merry life down in Paraguay.
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