For a while, it seemed as if DOGE Elon and Tesla Elon could exist in the same space-time continuum. One of them carried out Donald Trump’s ruthless cost-cutting mission while the other pitched cars that appealed most to people who were highly likely to oppose that mission, or even rage against it. Then this week came Tesla’s first quarterly earnings report since Elon Musk started his work with DOGE, which showed that the company’s profits were down 71 percent from the same time last year. The Atlantic staff writer Charlie Warzel talks with Patrick George, editor in chief of InsideEVs, about how Musk found himself in this predicament. Further reading: Patrick George on how “Tesla’s Remarkably Bad Quarter Is Even Worse Than It Looks” Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What caused Elon Musk's downfall?
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Growing backlash against Elon Musk and his new role in President Trump's Department of Government Efficiency, also known as DOGE. Protesters taking out their anger on the Tesla car and owners were busy all over the country. Tesla, the car company Musk founded and runs, has seen its stock price fall dramatically, as you can see from this chart.
Chapter 2: How has Tesla's stock price been affected by Musk's actions?
The moment of reckoning for Tesla's founder has arrived. The company's earnings report showed that profits dropped 71% since this time last year. On a call with investors this week, Musk announced that he would spend a day or two per week on his Washington business, but that he would mostly turn his attention back to the struggling company.
Chapter 3: What is the significance of Tesla's recent earnings report?
As Patrick George, the editor-in-chief of Inside EVs, wrote in The Atlantic this week, luck runs out.
I think he thought he would come in and gut the federal government and be seen as this great crusader. And that everything would have worked out great just the way it always has. He's had all this success before, right? But now people are running away from this company. And that might be the greatest failure of all here.
I'm Hannah Rosen. This is Radio Atlantic. My colleague Charlie Worzel interviewed Patrick George recently about the tumultuous journey Tesla's been on, from darling of the environmentally conscious to target of tire slashing. And the two of them land on Musk's blind spot, which caused him to miss this coming crash.
Patrick George, welcome to Radio Atlantic.
Chapter 4: Why are Tesla owners feeling betrayed?
Thank you for joining me. Great to be here, Charlie. Thanks for having me.
Their conversation explains so well how we got to this moment.
Tesla in den 2010ern, die Art von Hate-Mail, die wir von Leuten bekommen würden, wenn wir die Firma kritisieren oder etwas Negatives in einer der Reviews der Tesla oder was auch immer, da waren so viele Leute damals, die so echte Glaubwürde in das, was er machte, ich meine, dass er die Welt rettet.
And I'm kind of sad for those folks now who really believed in this environmental mission of the company. Those are the ones who are dumping their Teslas. Those are the ones who feel abandoned right now, who feel betrayed by this guy they once believed in, who has very much gone to what they perceive as the dark side.
What has been going through your head over the last few months as we're watching, you know, Musk take this role in the government and have this interplay between his polarization and the stock?
You know, every now and then I have to step back when I read a sentence in the news or I even write a sentence on Inside TV or for The Atlantic, you know, something like... President Trump holds a White House summit full of Teslas, you know, amid widespread protests against Elon Musk, his chief advisor and government cost cutter that are happening all over the world, including vandalism.
And I just step back and I'm like... How did we get here? Is someone putting LSD in my coffee every morning? This is just such a baffling, bizarre outcome from the way that Tesla's trajectory has worked for the longest time and where it's at now. For lack of a better term, it's kind of insane, honestly. Ich war ein junger Schriftler bei Jalopnik. Ich habe am Ende des Jahres 2012 angefangen.
Und eines der ersten Dinge, die ich gemacht habe, war, dass mein danner Editor-in-Chief Matt Hardigree und ich Elon Musk aus dem Tesla-Factory-Floor interviewt haben, als sie versucht haben, den Model S aufzuhalten. Der erste Auto war der Roadster. Und das war ein bisschen ein Wissenschaftsprojekt, ehrlich gesagt. Es war ein Lotus Elise mit Laptop-Batterien, mehr oder weniger.
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Chapter 5: How is Musk perceived in the political landscape?
Und der Model S war ihr erster echter Auto. Und sie wollten es aufräumen. Wir haben ihn auf dem Fabrikflur gesprochen und ich erinnere mich an ihn, der damals sehr müde war, aber schmerzhaft, schmerzhaft, aber auch selbstverschmutzend war. Wir hatten Geschichten darüber, dass die frühen Model S alle Art und Weise Qualitätsprobleme hatten.
Und er sagte, ja, ja, wir arbeiten daran, aber wir machen diesen herculeanen Versuch, es hoch und runter zu bringen. Und, weißt du, ich denke immer noch, dass der Model S, der originelle, der wichtigste Auto des 21. Jahrhunderts ist, weil das war, was das Fall der elektrischen Fahrzeuge für die ganze Welt beurteilt hat. Because they were golf carts before that.
They were, you know, the Nissan Leaf Kodas, things like that. And it became this it car in Hollywood. You probably remember this. Like everybody, all the celebrities were trading in their Prius for the Model S. And it was fast and it was sexy. I mean, it could smoke a Porsche 911 in a drag race. Like a Prius couldn't do that. And, you know, over time, we covered this guy and his company.
It's like, hey, here's this... quirky guy who's kind of breaking all the rules and he's doing some cool stuff and he's also clearly an asshole too and he's insane about some things, but what they're coming up with is this really interesting alternative to gas. And I can just say personally, you know, by the end of the last decade, like, I kind of realized that this is the future.
This is just a niche alternative to gasoline. It's the future and that wouldn't have happened without Tesla, but there are so many shades along the way of... What happened with him that kind of inform where we're at now?
Just the way that he treated the press, the way that he treated open access to his company, the way that he treated his own public image, the sort of vindictiveness against his enemies. He can be very vain, certainly. He's very obsessed with his own public image, very vindictive, obviously.
You know, calling that cave diver the pedo guy or getting in a huge amount of trouble for saying he had the funds to take Tesla private. He had this Kanye West-like trajectory. It's like, this guy's brilliant, but he's also horrible. And over time, kind of the horrible part of him sort of overtakes that.
But, you know, with this amount of wealth that he amassed came this tremendous amount of power. And I think he has gotten... wirklich in seinen eigenen Mythen und seinen eigenen Legenden über diese Macht zu trainieren. In unvorhergesehenen Wegen.
So, I've always been fascinated with the correlation between Tesla's stock price and Musk as a persona. There's an analyst at Moody's who said, quote, I do think fundamentally that a significant fraction of Tesla's value is due to the fact that Elon can command this attention continuously. Which sort of suggested to me, right, that Musk is almost like a human meme stock, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 6: What challenges does Tesla face in the current market?
Long before he owned Twitter, he was one of the central figures on Twitter and really used Twitter to get around traditional media and get around press releases and events and things like that to reach that audience directly and build up a following directly. And you said the phrase meme stock earlier. We hear that quite a bit now. And it's like, okay...
Ich glaube, diese Protestmovement ist extrem faszinierend. Ich war in der Bay Area letztens und ich war überrascht. Eine Person, die ich besucht habe, hat früher einen Tesla gewohnt.
Das war vor einiger Zeit. Aber die Person, der sie verkauft hat, hatte sie am anderen Tag geklopft. Selbst auf einer sehr kleinen Ebene, wenn es nicht ein Protest ist, gibt es viele Tatsachen von casual Evangelismus und so weiter. Und dann, wie letztes Jahr, im März, gab es einen Protest bei fast jedem Tesla-Verein in den Vereinigten Staaten.
Also scheint der Bewegung ein bisschen langweilig zu sein. And yet, you know, I think the very initial parts of this protest we watched coincide with a pretty substantial drop in the stock. So much so that you have, you know, Elon Musk and Donald Trump basically doing a Tesla infomercial, you know, on the White House South Lawn, right? You know, Teslas and EVs have always had a political valence.
Aber, you know, does Tesla have a clear idea of what its brand is now? Because I don't know, you know, if it's going to sort of reclaim that green progressive halo anytime in the near future.
I actually do think that the backlash against Tesla is the biggest crisis it's ever faced. Bigger than, you know, when it was a tiny startup trying to get its first real car out in 08, when the world was crashing. Bigger than when COVID happened and it had to shut down its factories. I think this is the biggest crisis it has ever faced as a company.
And you said at the beginning of our chat, Charlie, you said the word polarizing, right? And Tesla's interesting because it's always been a polarizing brand. Like, when it was embraced by liberals and Californians and the Hollywood crowd, you know, like the rest of America, hey, oh, you have a Tesla, you're so smug, you're saving the world, huh? And now it's kind of flipped on its head, right?
Now you have all of these folks in California who are trying and kind of everywhere. They're trying to get rid of their Tesla's like Democratic leaning, progressive leaning, even center leaning people who are done with the brand because of Elon, because of Doge. Meanwhile, you have Fox News defending him left and right, saying that he's an American hero who must be protected at all costs.
And, you know, Pam Bondi saying she's going to stick up for him. I mean, what a bizarre reversal this is. And at the same time, there is no evidence that we have seen that buyers in red states, more conservative leaning folks, are going to be flocking to Teslas en masse.
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Chapter 7: Is Tesla's brand still appealing to consumers?
You want Elon to succeed, but you're not going to buy his car. You know, like, I have family in deep red Texas. And, you know, when we were down there recently, everyone was saying, oh, Elon's the best. He's great. He's, you know, cutting government waste. Like, okay, well, would you buy one of his cars? Absolutely not. No. So, like, that is a problem.
That is a problem with them being able to sell cars. And my personal theory is, the ultimate test of this ist das neue Model Y, das gerade rausgekommen ist. Für diejenigen, die es nicht wissen, und ich wette, es gibt viele Leute, die es eintragen, die das Model Y eintragen, ist es der bestsellerste EV der Welt. Einige Metriken zeigen, dass es der bestsellerste Auto der Welt ist.
Es gibt ein neues Auto, es sieht ein bisschen anders aus, die Spezifikationen sind besser, es hat mehr Reichweite, sie fixieren das Interieur, es ist schöner. All things equal, this should be the best-selling car in the world. Again, this should pull a repeat. And if this thing doesn't sell, if it has lousy, you know, it just went on sale now. So we're not going to know in the first quarter.
But if a Q2, Q3, Q4 rolls around and this thing is sitting on dealer lots, unsold, that is an existential problem for Tesla. That's a disaster moment for them. I think that would be the ultimate proof that they have totally alienated any potential buyers or fans that they might have once had.
But at the same time, we just talked in this conversation about Musk's ability to buoy the company and the stock.
Do you think that that is under threat, essentially? Yeah, and that's where the disconnect is, right? It's because the stock price at Tesla is all predicated on future stuff. It's solving autonomous driving, it's robo-taxis, it's artificial intelligence, which Musk has gotten really into in recent years. Es ist auch ein Prädikat für Roboter. Sie sehen die Zukunft als Automation.
Es ist kein Fahrsales. Es ist kein Duken mit Nissan und Volkswagen über Marktsteigerung. Er denkt nicht, dass das die Firma zu ihrem Trillionen-Dollar-Wert füllen wird und ihn zu den Sternen bringt und ihn irgendwann in seine Mars-Kolonie starten wird, wenn er nur Autos verkauft. Wenn wir darüber sprechen, weshalb es so hoch ist, ist es nicht nur, weil Elon groß ist.
Es ist, weil Elon Musk in den letzten Jahrzehnten persönlich versprochen hat, dass selbstführende Autos, autonome Fahrzeuge, Robotaxis, etwa ein Jahr entfernt sind. Etwas, was er seit 2016 gesagt hat. Das ist der Wert der Firma. Das ist, wo all das Geld aufgeführt wird. Es ist die Idee, dass diese Firma spezifisch selbstführende Autos lösen wird.
Never mind the fact that, you know, Google's Waymo has, you know, years more experience, you know, many, many, many miles more experience actually deploying. Yeah, they're on the roads. They're on the roads, yeah. You can go to, what, half a dozen cities in America and use a Waymo.
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Chapter 8: What will determine the future of Tesla's sales?
Its revenue still comes from other car companies buying regulatory credits, meaning like... They pollute so much, so they buy credits from Tesla to offset their polluting. That's a huge source of their revenue. So he may have these grand dreams of robots and space and AI and everything else. But right now, it does need to sell cars. It does need to move metal.
And if it can't do that and the revenue tanks, you can forget AI and Robotaxis. And the other thing I think about, too, is supposedly they're going to be launching their Robotaxi service in Austin this summer. Wenn wir zurückkommen, habe ich Patrick George gefragt, warum Teslas Krise existierend ist, für Gründe außer Elon Musk.
So putting aside Musk just for a moment here. Yeah. The protests, as we've mentioned, have been noticeable. Yeah. I'm curious, what are the non-Musk related threats to Tesla, right? We have Tesla having this real genuine first mover advantage, especially in the United States. But it's not alone anymore. You've got Rivian, you've got Polestar, you've got a series of EV competitors. Yeah.
Taking the Musk and Trump out of it, What does the company have to worry about right now?
Yeah, let's start with competition, right? Because it's not just the startups you mentioned. It's the Tesla spark, this industry-wide shift towards electrification. When we say electrification, that means more hybrids and eventually a move to an all-EV market. This started in kind of the middle end of the last decade when all of these traditional automakers started chasing Teslas value.
Like when you're Ford, you're Toyota, you're looking at Tesla like, why the hell are they valued so much more than we are? Like we need to be like Tesla. We need to become tech companies. We need to electrify. And it took them years to do it. And I mean, let's be honest, like not all of them are pulling this off. This transformation from being traditional car makers to being...
die Software- und Batterie-Fahrzeuge machen. Das ist alles, was wir in den EVs schreiben. Es ist nur die Herausforderung, das zu tun. Aber sie kommen dorthin. Und einige von ihnen überraschen Tesla in vielen Fällen. Du kannst einen Hyundai oder einen Kia kaufen, der mehr Reichweite hat als ein Tesla und schneller fährt. Es gibt ein Volvo, das mehr als 400 Meilen Reichweite hat.
Es gibt bessere Leistung von Autos wie Audi, die auch elektrisch sind. Tesla hat also angefangen, But they haven't been able to keep up. And that's been a huge criticism of this company for a long time, is they haven't kept their product lineup fresh, as every company should.
Like, there was the Cybertruck, but beyond that, and then one update to the Model 3 Sedan, beyond that, there hasn't really been a lot. And meanwhile, you have other companies coming out with, like, three-row SUVs and more crossovers and just more different options in the EV space. And that's just in the West.
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