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The case for Fed Independence in the Nixon Tapes
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You know Watergate, but do you know Fedgate? The more subtle scandal with more monetary policy and, arguably, much higher stakes.In today's episode, we listen back through the Nixon White House tapes to search for evidence of an alarming chapter in American economic history: When the President of the United States seemingly flouted the norms of Fed Independence in order to pressure the Chair of the Federal Reserve Board into decisions that were economically bad in the long run but good for Nixon's upcoming election.The tale of Nixon and his Fed Chair, Arthur Burns, has become the cautionary tale about why Fed Independence matters. That choice may have started a decade of catastrophic inflation. And Burns' story is now being invoked as President-elect Trump has explicitly said he'd like more control over the Federal Reserve.Help support Planet Money and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: What is Fedgate and why is it important?
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This is Planet Money from NPR. secretly recorded audio from the White House. Specifically, 1,527 hours of secretly recorded audio.
Yeah, by 2004, 1,500 hours of Oval Office visits, cabinet meetings, phone calls were now available for the public to listen to. The full, unfiltered dump of the Nixon tapes.
Do you remember where you heard the announcement?
It was on the news. This is economist Burton Abrams.
It was probably a newscast that talked about the Nixon tapes. And I said, this is what I've been waiting for.
Because obviously everyone wants to know about the dirty details, Watergate, the nonsense, the corruption.
Well, everyone else was interested in Watergate. I was interested in monetary policy.
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Chapter 2: What role did Nixon play in Fed independence?
37th president, elected in 1968, famously claimed to not be a crook. He's been dead for 30 years, and I would wager most Americans can still do a passable Nixon impersonation.
Do you have in your repertoire like a Nixon impression that you could do?
Pretend I'm Richard Nixon.
Yeah, yeah.
Full disclosure, it did take a little convincing, but of course our intrepid economist Burton Abrams can do a Nixon. Well, Nixon would have said, Arthur, goose their money supply.
The economy needs to be rolling. Yeah, you had it.
See? Pretty good. Now, our other main historical figure today, Arthur Burns, leading expert on monetary policy at the time Todd at Columbia died in 1987, obviously far less well-known than Nixon.
I'm sure you could do an Arthur Burns impression. We wouldn't know if it was good or not. But if you were casting Arthur Burns in a movie, who would you have play Arthur Burns? Hmm.
You have to have white hair, spectacles, and a pipe. Apparently, Burns would use the pipe to emphasize statements that he was making. Oh, how does that work? When he was asked a question, he would take time to restuff the pipe, make it more dramatic before he spoke. So that's a good trick.
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Chapter 3: Who was Arthur Burns and what was his significance?
You feel as far as our money supply, we've got that about as far as we can turn it right now, have we? I mean, as far as my influence on him, that's what I'm really asking. Well, you know, he said that they voted to increase it. I know. And he said, what was his words? He said, and I'm on the line on that. I'm on the line. That it increased, and that's what he said. I put that in my little note.
All right. Well, you watch it and then remind me if I have to talk to him again, and I'll do it. Well, I'm sure next time I'll just bring him in. What? I'm sure we'll have to keep after him, huh? Yeah.
We'll have to keep after him. Next time, I'll just bring him in. This is not Fed independence.
No, this is as close to a smoking gun in the tapes as you will find for Fedgate. It lays bare that Nixon thought of the Fed as a tool at his disposal. The regular phone calls, the Oval Office meetings, like none of that, Burton Abrams says, is what an independent Fed looks like.
The Federal Reserve should not be treated as a branch of the administration.
Are you saying the fact of the meetings alone is troubling?
Yes.
I see.
When you get a personal conversation between the president and the Fed, there's too much possibility for a manipulation to take place.
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Chapter 4: How did Nixon pressure the Fed Chair?
Both the discount rate and the federal funds rate now begin their decline. Exactly what Nixon had hoped for and wanted.
I wonder if a favorable interpretation with burns is He knew that this was not the optimal way to run the Fed during this time But if he didn't do a little bit of it He was gonna somehow be ousted somehow be run out of town and someone else would be put in place who would do it even worse Well, I think that's fairly accurate Here's why I ask.
He doesn't comment on this stuff literally in the diary, but he does sound tortured. It doesn't sound like he enjoys being a Nixon hack. I mean, there's a quote specifically in his diary from November saying, where he says, the president's preoccupation with election frightens me. Is there anything he would not do to further his reelection? I am losing faith in him. My heart is sick and sad.
That doesn't just sound like a crony to me.
No, he was a person that really wanted to do a good job with monetary policy. But he was being pressured by Nixon. Nixon wanted Burns to be afraid that he was going to lose control of his board. So now all of a sudden Burns is worried that he is the odd man out.
This brings us to the final Nixon tape that Burton Abrams found that we're going to talk about. February 14th, 1972.
Nixon is in the Oval Office with George Shultz, that cabinet member from the smoking gun phone call. Nixon is impatiently waiting for Arthur Burns to arrive. He's got to get his butt in here, but not butt.
Picture Nixon and Shultz in the Oval Office preparing for a meeting with Burns.
They're fixated on the election. They need a strong economy. And they're kind of panicking that Burns hasn't given it to them. Burns has done the things they want. Like, what do they want exactly? Well, he was trying to parcel out a bit of benefit, but hadn't taken the full step yet.
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Chapter 5: What were the implications of Nixon's actions on inflation?
Well, I'm disappointed in Arthur Burns. Unfortunately, as soon as Nixon was reelected, he started looking at the next two-year election coming. And so I kept the pressure on. He could not be stopped.
Well, Art, midterms are coming up in two years. Better get it moving again.
You know, it's a little bizarre because, you know, he won in a landslide in the election. But anyway, I think we could have avoided the 10 years of problems.
Burton Abrams took his investigation and wrote the paper, The Bomb Drop, on how Richard Nixon pressured Arthur Burns. It is titled, How Richard Nixon Pressured Arthur Burns.
Boom.
Evidence from the Nixon tapes.
Burton says there are people who will defend Arthur Burns. He is not one of them. Was Burns pressured? Yes. Should he have known better? Also yes.
The legacy of Arthur Burns... is that he is now shorthand for a failed Fed chair, for a Fed chair susceptible to manipulation.
He has been invoked recently with the Trump administration taking over. And Trump having explicitly said he'd like more control over the Fed. You will hear the question, does current Fed chair Jay Powell want to be an Arthur Burns or a Paul Volcker?
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