Passion Struck with John R. Miles
Eric Zimmer on Why Surrender Is the Secret to Your Best Life | EP 569
Thu, 6 Feb 2025
What if the key to unlocking your best life isn’t about control—but surrender? In this powerful episode, Eric Zimmer, renowned coach, podcast host, and behavioral change expert, shares why letting go is the ultimate catalyst for personal growth and transformation. We dive deep into the paradox of surrender—how embracing uncertainty, releasing resistance, and trusting the process can lead to greater clarity, resilience, and fulfillment.Eric opens up about his own journey, the science behind surrender, and practical strategies to apply it in your daily life. Whether you're facing a career crossroads, struggling with self-doubt, or seeking deeper meaning, this conversation will challenge you to rethink success and redefine strength.Tune in to discover how surrender can unlock new opportunities, reduce stress, and empower you to live with purpose and freedom.Link to the full show notes: https://passionstruck.com/eric-zimmer-surrender-is-the-secret-to-best-life/Sponsors:Rosetta Stone: Unlock 25 languages for life at “ROSETTASTONE.com/passionstruck.”Prolon: Reset your health with 15% off at “ProlonLife.com/passionstruck.”Mint Mobile: Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at “MINT MOBILE dot com slash PASSION.”Hims: Start your journey to regrowing hair with Hims. Visit hims.com/PASSIONSTRUCK for your free online visit.Quince: Discover luxury at affordable prices with Quince. Enjoy free shipping and 365-day returns at quince.com/PASSION.In this episode, you will learn:Feeding the Good Wolf: Eric Zimmer's Journey from Addiction to Intentional LivingThe Power of Surrender: How Eric Zimmer Overcame AddictionFrom Darkness to Light: Reclaiming Identity After AddictionNavigating Recovery: Practical Strategies for Feeding the Good WolfMoments of Clarity: Eric Zimmer's Path to SobrietyUnderstanding Mattering: The Connection Between Identity and AddictionThe Slow Unraveling: Eric Zimmer's Story of Addiction and RecoveryTransforming Pain into Purpose: Lessons from Eric Zimmer's JourneyThe Role of Sensitivity and Creativity in Addiction: A Conversation with Eric ZimmerBuilding a Life of Purpose: Eric Zimmer on Intentional Living After AddictionConnect with Eric Zimmer: www.oneyoufeed.netNext on Passion Struck:In the next episode of Passion Struck, Shige Oishi shares his incredible insights on how to build a life of resilience, clarity and intentional growth. It's an episode filled with actionable strategies for overcoming adversity, cultivating mental strength and unlocking your fullest potential.For more information on advertisers and promo codes, visit Passion Struck Deals.Join the Passion Struck Community! Sign up for the Live Intentionally newsletter, where I share exclusive content, actionable advice, and insights to help you ignite your purpose and live your most intentional life. Get access to practical exercises, inspiring stories, and tools designed to help you grow. Learn more and sign up here.Speaking Engagements & Workshops Are you looking to inspire your team, organization, or audience to take intentional action in their lives and careers? I’m available for keynote speaking, workshops, and leadership training on topics such as intentional living, resilience, leadership, and personal growth. Let’s work together to create transformational change. Learn more at johnrmiles.com/speaking.Episode Starter Packs With over 500 episodes, it can be overwhelming to know where to start. We’ve curated Episode Starter Packs based on key themes like leadership, mental health, and personal growth, making it easier for you to dive into the topics you care about. Check them out at passionstruck.com/starterpacks.Catch More of Passion Struck:My solo episode on The Science of Healthy HabitsMy episode with Jason O’Mara on Finding Strength in the Face of SetbacksCan't miss my episode with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor on Loving and Leaving AlcoholCatch my interview with Dr. Elisa Hallerman on How You Reconnect With Your SoulListen to my solo episode on 7 Reasons Why Acts of Kindness Are More than Meets the EyeIf you liked the show, please leave us a review—it only takes a moment and helps us reach more people! Don’t forget to include your Twitter or Instagram handle so we can thank you personally.How to Connect with John:Connect with John on Twitter at @John_RMiles and on Instagram at @John_R_Miles. Subscribe to our main YouTube Channel here and to our YouTube Clips Channel here. For more insights and resources, visit John’s website.Want to explore where you stand on the path to becoming Passion Struck? Take our 20-question quiz on Passionstruck.com and find out today!
Chapter 1: How did addiction shape Eric Zimmer's identity?
It took everything away from my identity that wasn't about being an addict. That was it in the last couple years of my addiction. That was all I was and all I lived to do, and it consumed every waking moment of my life. How am I going to get the next fix? That's it. That was all there was. It took every part of my identity away, any part of me that was anything different.
And ultimately, I think the thing about addiction that really becomes the thing is this belief that I can't do anything else. I'm never going to do anything useful or important or interesting because this thing owns all of me.
Welcome to Passion Struck. Hi, I'm your host, John R. Miles, and on the show, we decipher the secrets, tips, and guidance of the world's most inspiring people and turn their wisdom into practical advice for you and those around you. Our mission is to help you unlock the power of intentionality so that you can become the best version of yourself.
If you're new to the show, I offer advice and answer listener questions on Fridays. We have long-form interviews the rest of the week with guests ranging from astronauts to authors, CEOs, creators, innovators, scientists, military leaders, visionaries, and athletes. Now, let's go out there and become PassionStruck. Hey, PassionStruck fam. Welcome back to episode 569.
If you're new to the show, thank you so much for joining us. You have just joined a community that's all about igniting passion, living intentionally, and creating a life of purpose. Let me ask you, have you ever felt like your life is being pulled in 100 different directions, leaving you unable to focus on what truly matters? What if I told you...
that the key to living a life of purpose and focus isn't about eliminating distractions, but understanding and managing them in a way that helps you take back control of your attention. That's exactly what today's guest is here to help us with. In this episode, I'm sitting down with Eric Zimmer, a behavioral coach, certified interfaith spiritual director,
and host of the award-winning podcast, One You Feed. Eric has an incredible story of overcoming addiction, rebuilding his life, and now helping others live intentionally by feeding the good wolf in their own lives.
Eric's journey from facing personal challenges to becoming a source of inspiration for many offers a powerful reminder that no matter where we start, we can transform our lives through small, intentional actions.
In today's conversation, Eric shares his personal journey of overcoming addiction and rediscovering his purpose, the power of small, deliberate actions in creating lasting change, how we can shift our mindset and cultivate habits that align with our values, practical strategies for overcoming shame and finding resilience, and lastly, how to create a life of purpose, even when the road feels overwhelming.
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Chapter 2: What does mattering mean to Eric Zimmer?
That's a really good question. I've never thought about that in that way. So I would say that mattering means that everybody has for each individual, we have an interior world that is really important to us. And we have a tendency to see our internal world is really important. And everyone else is not that important because we're not living it.
But when we can invert that and think about the fact that everybody's internal world is as important to them and their lives are as important to them as they as mine is to me. we realize then there's no way that anyone doesn't matter because it matters deeply to that person. And so I think it's really a matter of seeing that everybody wants the same basic things.
One of the things that has been really helpful for me over the years is to think about how every person wants some version of more enjoyable, good experiences and less bad experiences. Or said differently, they want to experience more pleasure and have less pain. That's true for every single human. And that's a commonality that is underneath all of us. And that matters.
Everything up from that ends up being strategies. It's the strategies that people employ to bring those things about. And I think when we can see things that way, we're better able to connect with somebody at the most deep level, which is that to them and the people around them, they matter a lot.
And so it's a way by thinking about mattering both for ourselves, but also for others, we can decenter ourselves as the center of every single story.
Well, Eric, that was really profound. And you were one of the first people I've ever had on the podcast who gets my vision of mattering. So I love that you brought our sense of self-mattering and its impact on helping others feel they matter and the reciprocal nature that it has. So what a profound way of describing it. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Well, thank you. It took me a few minutes to get there, but hopefully it made sense.
Absolutely. I always, in these interviews, love to give the audience some backdrop of who you are so they understand where we're going. And I think you do the same thing in your interviews. Looking back as a child, you struggled with kleptomania and were really acting out. Looking back
tying to this concept of mattering, do you think those behaviors were connected to a deeper sense as a child to feel seen and to feel that you mattered?
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Chapter 3: How did Eric Zimmer's upbringing influence his emotional development?
And then the problem with that, though, is that feeling numbed and deadened is a really awful feeling. It feels terrible. So then you're seeking some way to then feel alive. And so I think for me, that's stealing made me feel alive. It had an energy to it and it had a the danger had some adrenaline. So I think that's a lot of it.
But yeah, I probably some of it also was simply trying to say, yeah, I matter or in a strange way, finding what is the thing that. that I could be really good at. Like, I was athletic, but not great athletic. I was never going to be a star. I was really good in school, but not, again, not exceptional. It seemed like in some way this was this thing that made me different or special.
Not a great different or special, I now recognize, but I don't think I knew that at the time.
Okay, and I think we all have... these upbringings that shape who we are today. And my parents, when I look back, were extremely different in their styles. My father really grew up with a father who was an alcoholic and who was removed. And so he tended to more lash out in anger. And my mom was more perfectionist to say that.
And in your case, you had two parents who had different manifestations of depression, your father's anger and your mom's withdraw. If my research is correct, you've done good research.
I'm impressed.
How did they impact your emotional development and your coping mechanisms?
We know from a whole lot of study and experience at this point that our early years shape a lot of who we are, both in our personality development, but also just in how our brains are actually formed and wired. So it's really important.
And I always find this an interesting topic because on one hand, there's a lot of studies that really show if you've had difficult early experiences, you may have a difficult later life. And I think that's helpful to know so that we understand who we are and maybe why we are some of the ways we are, but ultimately that is not a very empowering mindset either.
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Chapter 4: What contributed to Eric Zimmer's path toward addiction?
And my mother's was much more just a very pessimistic way of looking at things. Her depression took the shape of anger. deep withdrawal from the world. I have one memory of my mom before about 18 and it's her sitting at a table playing solitaire for hours. That gives you a sense. So I think the ways that shaped me are don't make a mistake.
don't have needs that are going to be difficult for somebody to meet because then they're not going to like you and then just this withdrawing nature of that my depression and my depression when it shows up it actually gets both those I get the irritation and I get the sort of deadening
Yeah, thank you for being vulnerable and going into that. It sounds like your parents' struggles added such a layer of complexity to your upbringing and really impacted your sense of self and your ability to be seen and navigate your life as a young person. I think that backdrop really builds on where I want to go next.
And I've heard you mention in other conversations listening to you that addiction doesn't always stem from when dealing with trauma, but can result from chronic stress or a sense of, as we've been just talking about, disconnection. What do you think contributed most to your own path toward addiction?
This is, again, where I think we're speculating, right? Addiction is a very complicated thing. Why is anybody addicted? We know some things. We know, for example, as you said, that trauma or adverse childhood experiences make you way more likely to become an addict, right? That's just a pretty well-documented fact.
But we know lots of people who had terrible childhood experiences, far worse than I ever had and did not become addicts. And we know lots of people who seem to have had a pretty good childhood and end up being an addict. So it's really multifactorial in the different things that causes it.
So when I say why I think I became an addict, I'm stating a working hypothesis because we just don't know for sure. But I do think for me, it comes back to that sense of feeling alive. When I first really started getting into drugs and alcohol, Some of it was probably pain escape, but a lot of it was that the world came alive for me in a way that it wasn't normally.
There's an old movie called Days of Wine and Roses, and it's about an alcoholic couple and the husband gets sober. And at one point he's trying to get his wife sober and she's not, and he's talking to her about it. And she says something along the lines of life is normally in black and white for me, but when I drink all the colors come on.
And that's, for me, the best description of what the early journey into addiction was. It turned all the colors on. Now, the problem with alcohol or problem with addiction is as you go, you start behaving in ways that you don't feel good about. which then means that the only way you know how to deal with an uncomfortable emotion is to drink or get high.
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Chapter 5: How does Eric Zimmer view the role of sensitivity and creativity in addiction?
I want to go into something because I loved when I was doing my research that you were a software developer and you got into that because much of my career was spent in information technology. I started on the network side, information security. I've been a developer myself. and then ended up taking on more management roles over at eventually becoming a CIO.
I understand the development world well. Here's where I wanted to go with it. Oftentimes I found developers to be some of the most creative people I knew. I also found them oftentimes to be sensitive. And do you think there's any connection between sensitivity and creativity and the vulnerability to addiction?
So first I'll say I'm not a software developer. I was just around software development for my whole career. Software startup companies, then leading large software products and then doing, being product manager. So I was everywhere around development. So to clarify that, the second part of the question though, about sensitivity and creativity and vulnerability to addiction.
I think the answer seems to be yes. I wish the answer was no. I wish that there was no linkage there, but there does seem to be. And so I think that people who are more sensitive are likely to be more creative. And I think being more sensitive means you might be more likely to succumb to drugs and alcohol.
And then there's the fact that the scene, particularly when you're young, the scene around creativity is, has alcohol and drugs often baked into it? My thing was rock music, right? And of course, I mean, sex, drugs, and rock and roll, right? It's all embedded into one package. But I think you see that with writers.
I know a number of fiction writers who've done very well at New York Times bestsellers, and they talk about, and a couple of them have gotten sober, and they've talked about how hard it is to disentangle that notion of the idea creative writer who's also a drunk, right? Hemingway sort of set the archetype for this among modern writers.
So I think it's a combination of yes, those personality traits make you a little bit more likely. And I also think that the creativity world, even more than a lot of parts of the world do have, there's a romanticization of substances that can be very problematic. And then I'll just end that by saying my experience is also, you can be creative.
If you're somebody who's felt like your creativity comes from drugs and alcohol, you can be creative without them. It's a transition. My experience is it's a transition and the way of creativity changes a little bit, right? I think I got more ideas when I was still like drinking or smoking marijuana. I think more ideas just came out of me. But so many of them were terrible.
They were terrible ideas, right? And so now it's a little bit different. And then I think there's also something about the prolificness of young artists compared to older artists, particularly in the music and writing space.
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Chapter 6: What lessons can be learned from Eric Zimmer's journey to recovery?
And I went to treatment because I was going to be really dope sick. I was a heroin addict. And I went to treatment because I just needed a couple days to have somebody help me detox a little bit while I figured out what the hell am I getting? Where am I going to get the money to keep doing what I'm doing?
And I went there and at one point they did the intake and they sat me down and they said, look, you really need our 28 day treatment program. And I said, I don't think so. I don't think that's a good idea. Now, why I would, what I possibly thought was so important. I had to leave for cracks me up today. But I went back to my room and we, I had what we call in sobriety, a moment of clarity.
I had a moment where I realized. If I go, if I don't, if I don't do something different, if I go back out there, I'm either going to go to jail for a long time, right? I've already got potentially 50 years of jail sentences hanging over my head. And I'm going to go back and start stealing more again, because it's the way I'm going to get drugs. So I'm either going to jail or I'm going to die.
I weighed 105 pounds. I had hepatitis C, like I was dying. And I had that moment of clarity where I thought, okay, I'm going to go. And I went back and I said, okay, I will go to treatment. So that is the defining moment. If we were to film my life, it's a defining moment.
What I think is interesting about it is a, that moment wouldn't have meant anything if it weren't followed by thousands of tiny choices that actually allowed that moment to stand out there. And there were all sorts of other things that led to that moment.
Me trying to going into a different detox for a couple of days and that not working and me trying narcotics anonymous and that not working and me trying to move to another state so I don't buy drugs and that not really working. Like all these other little things that we go through. So I think we can pull out defining moments.
But I think that if we isolate them from what comes before and after, we miss part of the bigger picture, right? We miss part of the fact that those moments are created out of something and they only stand out because of what comes next.
I think that's a fabulous answer. And you ended up going into the 12 step program, which has a whole underlying philosophy of service. Yes. My question around this is one of surrendering. How did surrendering both to the process and more importantly to the need for help become a critical part of your recovery?
This is a really interesting thing to talk about because the first step of a 12-step program is, like you said, we admit we are powerless over alcohol and our lives have become unmanageable. This seems to be an idea that works for certain people. And it seems to be an idea that for other people feels profoundly dispowering, unempowering, right? I'm powerless.
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