Nobody Should Believe Me
Case Files 20: Rady Children’s Part 4 with Dr. Mary Sanders
Thu, 29 May 2025
In the 4th part of our Case Files series on Rady Children’s, Andrea and Dr. Mary Sanders from Stanford University deep dive into the emotional and legal complexities of child abuse cases. They unpack how surveillance in hospital settings—while potentially life-saving—raises big questions around privacy and consent. The conversation also explores the difficult dynamics of teenage victims, how hard these cases are to diagnose, and why the trust between parents and healthcare providers is often the first casualty. Andrea and Mary also examine how conspiracy theories infiltrate the courtroom and public opinion, warping our understanding of child welfare. From the strain on therapists to the trauma carried by kids in foster care and legal battles, this episode is a raw, thoughtful look at what happens when the system meant to protect children is itself under pressure. *** This podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. *** Order Andrea's new book The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy. Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What are the complexities of child abuse cases?
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So I want to talk about this conspiracy element of this lawsuit, where I feel like this element is present in every one of these lawsuits that we've talked about. That's the thing it really leans on, right, when we talked about Sophie Hartman's lawsuit, my sister's various attempts at lawsuits. Certainly the Kowalski v. Johns Hopkins lawsuit.
There's this central idea that a bunch of people from the hospital are collaborating in this conspiracy to take the child away from the parent forever. for question mark reasons. This is particularly elaborate in this lawsuit where it's saying more than two dozen people, both named and unnamed, so they do this medical dose one through 10, so
10 additional people at the hospital that we don't get named um but you know it's like more than two dozen people from the hospital hhsa and even this residential treatment center that eventually gets involved in this thing are all conspiring against dana gaske and bill meyer the parents um to remove custody of this one teenage girl from these two people um
Number one, do we know of any situation where anything like this, like on this level of people, has ever happened?
No, and it never will. Because it's just nuts. Yeah, I can't even imagine.
Yeah, I know. It's really, I will tell you, especially because we have such limited information about what happened in this case. I'm trying to stay somewhat even-handed in the way that I present this, and yet... I try to, too, but... But this is nuts! I mean, you cannot pretend this is not nuts.
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