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#142: Alex Hormozi: Why you're still broke // Next Level Pros Podcast
Wed, 26 Mar 2025
Welcome to a new episode of Next Level Pros! In this episode, Chris, Daryl and Levi discuss the principle of taking decisive action and addressing pain now versus later. They explore insights from Alex Hormozi about business growth, commitment, and the power of making quick, focused decisions that can transform both personal and professional life.Highlights:"The most successful people that I know are decisive; the moment they measure out the information, they make a decision, they move forward.""If you're hesitating, all you're doing is prolonging pain, prolonging suffering.""There's so much power in just being decisive.""If you make a bad decision, and you're decisive in that decision, your ability to make other decisions to get out of it is a lot easier."Timestamps:00:00 Intro01:52 Business Pain: Different Strategies for Different Ventures05:00 Avoiding Revenue Generation: Common Entrepreneurial Pitfalls10:00 The Power of Being Decisive: Transforming Business Mindset15:00 Pivoting During COVID: Staying Decisive Under Pressure17:22 Alex Hormozi's Mastermind Revelation19:44 Partnership Dynamics: Supporting Decisiveness20:46 The Importance of Having Hard Conversations21:52 Overcoming Mental Barriers25:00 ConclusionWant me to teach you how to grow your business? Text me! 509-374-7554Want access to more of my content? Click the link below for all of our latest updates and events!https://linktr.ee/nextlevelprosWant to be a guest on our show? Apply here!https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YlkVBSluEKMTg4gehyUOHYvBratcxHV5rt3kiWTXNC4/viewform?edit_requested=trueWatch my latest PodcastApple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/next-level-pros/id1687030281Spotify- https://open.spotify.com/show/1e0cL2vI1JAtQrojSOA7D2?si=95980cd4e55a437aYouTube- https://www.youtube.com/@NextLevelPros
Chapter 1: What is keeping you broke according to Alex Hormozi?
This one action is keeping you broke. In today's discussion, we're throwing it back to a interview that I did with Alex Ramosi. Alex shares with us a little known secret that actually changed the trajectory of his career. Have you ever been focused on a certain aspect of your business, but found yourself distracted looking at other opportunities in the way you can make money? Don't worry.
This is what every single entrepreneur goes through. In this episode, we'll talk about the principle that launched Alex into his personal brand and the success that you know him as and what made a huge difference in our two nine-figure exits. All this and more on today's episode.
Chapter 2: How can comparing growth affect your business strategy?
growth that your company had in the last year is probably more than it did in the first five years right and so like that's the thing yeah like and and it's a it's a tough gear shift probably i mean like oh this is me just to share i know you're you're in in the process of this too but like when you go from comparing your your seven to your eight growth of a business that you owned to your two to year three growth of a newer thing that you're doing
like we can't compare the two like this is this is i'm just telling this is what's been hard for me that i've had to like wrap my head around is that like oh my god like it's so it'd be so easy for me to add another like 10 million in ebitda uh you know to the solar business right versus like or or in gym watch like add another like six or add another ten whatever it is right like adding that kind of like ebitda like that can happen pretty quickly right whereas uh you know when you're the new thing like you have to think in percentages
rather than in absolute amounts. Because otherwise you'll just get way too bogged down. Like you'll get way too sad about how things aren't working as fast as you want them to. And so that's been helped too. So shifting from absolutes to percentages to relative changes. And also just, at least for me, thinking that like different businesses have different pain at different times.
Chapter 3: What are the different types of business pain?
And so like, I'll give you a quick extreme example. It's like on one extreme, you've got like info businesses, right? There's lots of people who have those. The pain that you experience is when you wanna get past a million a month, two million a month, three million a month.
So you basically pick a vehicle that's easy to start, easy to make money fast for, but you're not gonna make massive money, right? It's very hard to do it. Not that you can't, it's very, very hard. On the flip side, you start a software company, And like, if you do it the right way, you're probably not going to make any money at all for a long period of time. And so all your pain is front loaded.
But once you achieve critical mass, then the things just starts compounding on its own month over month over month, and at no incremental cost to you, and the thing becomes a profit monster, right? And so it's like, those are completely opposite sides of the spectrum. And it's really just like, where do you want your pain?
And if you know, if you know, ahead of time, this is where the pain is going to happen, not being surprised when the pain comes.
Let's dive in, Chris. So Levi, pain now versus pain later. How have you experienced that in your life? When have you tried to avoid pain now just to experience it later?
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Chapter 4: How does avoiding short-term pain impact long-term success?
Oh, I mean, I think the easiest thing that I can relate to is just fitness, like fitness and nutrition. Like it's so easy for me. Oh, like I want to wake up in the morning and work out now, but I can always go later. But then when I wait to go later, I can always say I could go tomorrow or the next day and whatnot. And I think a lot of times we like I'm 27 years old. Yep. I'm still pretty young.
I'm taking advantage of my youth by not setting myself up for the future of when I could be experiencing more pain of like joints or whatnot by not being in shape and doing what I should be doing now to prepare myself for the future.
So Chris, actually I wanna ask you differently because we work with a lot of business owners and you see companies at all different levels who've been there for a different period of times, timeframes. What do you see as like a business owner? What are some of the short-term things avoidances that people do so they don't have to go through the pain now, but they pay it later.
I mean, so the pain matrix is pretty simple, right? Like you experience pain regardless. Pain now, pain later. There's no choice in experiencing pain. Now, the cool thing about like anything that we choose now will be only for a very little time. It's not a long duration. So we have a choice of do I want the fake fruit now or do I want the short pain now? And both are short, right? So like...
The fake fruit is I got out of the work. So to answer your question, a lot of guys, when they need to get sales in the door or revenue isn't hitting the road, they're going to convince themselves that they need to spend time bookkeeping. They need to spend time... cleaning up their offer.
They need to spend time working on their management team, everything to avoid the pain of going out and generate revenue or generating the actual issue that is causing like the financial. And so what they get in that little time, they get a nice little fake fruit, little dopamine hit of like, Oh, I liked what I was doing, right? Like I enjoyed doing the bookkeeping.
I enjoyed doing this and I avoided that. But obviously the long-term pain of that is what shows up in the financial statement or ultimately hits the bank account versus the opposite. where it's like door knocking. Door knocking is a painful activity that most people want to do everything to avoid.
And really the initial pain is getting out to an area, getting out of your door and actually making that first knock, whether you're going business to business, business to consumer, to home to home. These are all just very short-term pains that you're going to experience because the second you're in that conversation with the customer, all of a sudden it's rewarding.
You're starting to see the benefit. You close down a customer. You at least have conversations. You make some progress towards that thing. And so I think the important thing to understand wherever you're at is like… The thing now is very temporary and later is always going to be lasting. So like waking up at 5 a.m., going to the gym, that took five minutes of pain.
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Chapter 5: Why is decisiveness crucial in entrepreneurship?
But yeah, to your point, it's the pain, right? Like if I know I need to go out and knock doors. I'm thinking about it all the time. It's in the back of my mind. It's causing me energy suck while I'm trying to focus on all these other things instead of just going and biting the bullet, doing the thing now and then moving on and taking advantage of the next step.
And going back to hesitation, how many people, I see this all the time where it's like people who are like wanting to improve their business. For example, like our courses or our community, the people that hesitate are
to join our community are the ones that are stuck and never change and then you see people who join our community they're like yep this is what i want they go and you see them they're able to make change way faster and then you see them have results that the other guy wants but won't make the changes to do and so i think
if you realize like if you're hesitating, all you're doing is you're prolonging pain, you're prolonging like suffering, and you're probably putting more energy into that than it would take to just have the success you're looking for.
Yeah, so it's actually just like the power of decisiveness. In fact, we were at Funnel Hacking Live a couple weeks ago, and we were sitting down with a guy that was considering joining our program. And he was like, man, I just really need to think about it. I need to do this, this, and this. And then I explained to him this principle. I said, look... You don't need to buy our course.
You don't need to join our community. You don't need to do any of these things. Just learn this one principle from me. And I explained to him the power of being decisive. Right. And like when you make a decision, you can move on. You don't got to continue to think about it. You're not going through this pain. And like.
And the thing I've seen over the years is like the most successful people that I know are decisive in the moment. They measure out the information, they make a decision, they move forward and they don't no longer think about it. They no longer have to dwell on that pain. And the crazy thing is, is like after I taught him that principle, he immediately switched and is like, all right, let's do it.
I'm in. And then later remarks how much that has changed just the way that he has improved his business making decisions. And so not only has he gotten a ton just from being a part of our community, but just that mental switch of being decisive. And I think it would actually be cool. Let's just switch over to a little clip from him.
My name is Paul Ace. I've got a company called Amplify Seacon and we help high ticket coaches, Scouts at Eight Figures. And I am based in the UK in Leicester. I'm at Levi and when I'm at Levi, like we talk for like half an hour, just like shooting the stuff, right? And talking about every kind of thing. And I was like, hey, we're at a part in our business where we want to scale.
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Chapter 6: How can joining a community accelerate business growth?
One of the only places in the world where the marriage certificates close at midnight from the city government building. We head over there. We get the certificate. We go to a local chapel, get married, do all this stuff, dude. It was like one of the craziest nights. I think we wrapped it up about 2 a.m. No alcohol, no anything. Like nothing's going on. And so...
So this is the, uh, this is the, the stuff we had going on. But the crazy thing was, is like how much their lives have changed since being decisive. I went and visit him. So that was in November. I just visited him last month down in Arizona and his wife comes up to me and she's like, I just want to thank you so much. Like our lives have completely changed. Like since we have become decisive.
Basically, that's what she was saying, right? We've become decisive. We've become committed to each other. And I think there's just so much power in commitment.
Well, the reality is if you make a bad decision and you're decisive in that decision, your ability to make the other decisions to get out of it are a lot easier. right? And so there's really like so much power in just being decisive because it can get you in a really good situation.
It can also get you in a bad situation, but you can get out of it a lot easier, which just teaches you the next time how to do it better and better.
Well, this goes back to back in COVID, right? So like when COVID hit, that was obviously a big deal over at our solar business. And I don't know if you guys remember the words that we were using, like we were
uh the the word pivot remember we say hey we need to pivot not panic oh yeah yeah and so because like dude that was a time of panic a lot of people were scared they had no idea what was going to be going on with their business and so we had to just be decisive to be able to get out of that negative situation that hey look we're going to pivot we're going to make some changes in the business and we're not going to panic about it and so yeah it works for both good and
You know, the good things, the bad things, the ugly gets you out of good situations, keeps you in the good situations.
It's funny. I think the only thing that can cause an issue is if you are decisive, you make a bad decision and then you go back to old habits of I'm not going to be as decisive anymore. Then you're in a worse position. But I think if you stay decisive, you always work yourself in the best situation possible because you're taking action.
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Chapter 7: What is the importance of commitment in personal life?
You know what I mean? If you just added up all the business, it might even been higher than that, but it was at least half a billion a year in revenue. And it was interesting from an experience for me because that meeting was actually one of the reasons I decided to sell Gemwatch.
Um, and the big takeaway for me, like, even though we talked about lots of stuff, yeah, we talked about lots of, you know, you know, strategies, tactics, hiring people, scaling, blah, blah, blah, that kind of jazz. But the biggest takeaway I had was I looked at everybody in the room who was doing more revenue than I was.
And, you know, I was like, okay, is it, is it their skillset that I'm lacking? Like, what, what am I missing? Right. And the biggest thing that I saw as my takeaway was. I was just in a pond and everyone else was going after an ocean. And I think, you know, if I hadn't sold, then I could have continued to go down that path. But I didn't want to be known as the fitness guy.
Like I already had felt kind of tired of being known as the gym guy. And you can make an argument that that would have been a better move because I've known the space and you just get deeper and deeper knowledge and that becomes your competitive advantage. Um, but in September of 19, I started making general business content and I stopped making content about gyms.
And so, um, and it was actually almost at that time that, um, things started growing for me. And so like my podcast, I went from talking about only gyms to talk about business. And then it started growing, even though I'd been doing it for like two or three years at that point. Um, And then I think a year later after that, I started making my first YouTube videos.
So you guys have learned this principle and I would argue even mastered this principle of taking massive action, being decisive and committing to it. Was there ever a catalyst for you guys that actually caused you to learn this principle? Because I'm sure at some point you probably weren't taking decisions seriously and putting off your pain for later.
So one thing you actually brought up was how to do that in a partnership. And what we had to learn in a partnership was if someone was like super into making a certain decision, the other person wasn't, you had to decide like who was going to charge it. And if the person who wanted that decision was going to charge forward with that, the other person had to fully be behind them.
And so we had to make a decision of like, okay, I disagree with you, but it's your decision and I'll fully back you. And that's the end of it. You never go back and say, I told you so, or anything like that. It was like a hundred percent support go forward.
And so I think in partnerships, actually what's really important is to support decisiveness because it can create so much power in a relationship versus trying to like, I told you so, or gotcha, or, you know, you should have done what I said.
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