
Joe Hudson is a coach, entrepreneur and a podcast host. Before you try to change the world, make sure your own “bed is made”. It's often the most crucial first step in any personal growth journey. But how do we navigate the thoughts, feelings, and emotions that inevitably arise as we work to become better versions of ourselves? Expect to learn why it might be a problem to become too self-reliant, what people get wrong with obsessing over productivity as they grow in their careers, how can we deal with painful emotions more effectively, how to move past resentment and feel less defensive, if it is possible to be world-class and enjoy the process at the same time and much more… Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Get $350 off the Pod 4 Ultra at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D, and more from AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/modernwisdom Get the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Joe's website: https://view.life/modernwisdom Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why is self-kindness crucial for personal growth?
I love everything that you do. I genuinely can't believe it took me as long as it did to find your work. It's Charlie Hooper from Charisma on Command that said you'd been a gateway drug for him to a bunch of other stuff. And I get the sense you're kind of an underground hero in sort of the self-work world who's now becoming increasingly less underground. Because of you.
and open ai you're now the head of what at open ai no not head um i just i'm working there maybe like 25 days this year but i'm um working with the compute and research teams so basically the management of the of the folks who are creating the technology yeah it's uh it's great work the the
The cool thing is that when I think about generally like the creation of technology or the creation of art or the creation of this podcast, it's a reflection of the consciousness of the people who are creating it. And so to be able to be in there and work about with consciousness and how the culture's consciousness is and how the people interact with each other and how they view themselves.
To me, it's a complete honor to be able to work there with them.
Because you're further up than all of the things that are going to come after that. All of the products, the branding, the way that they deploy this stuff. Yeah, that's interesting.
And they're just sweethearts. I can't tell you, once that news came out, so many people came to me with a lot of fear. There's a lot of fear in the AI space. And I understand why people have the fear. Not the... both the people on the outside and the inside. Like, oh, this is a revolutionary technology. What's going to happen? We don't actually know. So fear arises.
And I think what surprised me about it is just like, especially open AI, just the folks are just sweeties. Like they're just like such lovely humans.
Yeah. What drives you? What are you trying to achieve with your work?
Yeah. So what I would say is that Generally, we have this epidemic of stress and lack of enjoyment in our society right now. And the thing about that is that it's corrosive both on an individual and on a societal level. So individually, it means that we do not learn as well. It means that we make bad decisions. It means that we don't get the world that we want.
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Chapter 2: How can emotions and stress affect our well-being?
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So the idea that to be defensive against it is, it's just, you know, it's almost like admitting when you're defensive, you're almost admitting like, yeah, I'm really ashamed about that. Which is actually a really cool thing.
If you're working, if you're like, if I'm with my wife or I'm with my kid and I see them get defensive, I see what actually is happening is they're in shame and I address the shame. So in a relationship, if I see somebody getting defensive, I'll say like, oh, there's nothing in me that wants you to feel bad about this thing that I just said.
There's nothing in me that wants you to feel like you should be ashamed or that you've done anything wrong. Thank you. Thank you.
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,, So oftentimes the people who are searching for enlightenment, they think once they get the enlightenment, then it'll be done. That's just the ego talking. That's just, oh, there is going to be this end point where then I'm going to be happy. That is an ego thought process so you can whip yourself and beat yourself up to get to that place.
And it is just a way to convince yourself that what you want can't be found right now. So if I said to you right now, without going into the past, without going into the future, you can't find any evidence from the past or any evidence in the future to find a problem with you. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, there's none. You can't find it.
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Chapter 3: What role does the inner voice play in our lives?
When I'm asked by people about, is this the right person for me? My answer is almost always the same, which is two things. One, are they working on themselves? And do they see the relationship as a way to work on themselves? Two is when you have conflict, how's the repair? And if you have those two things, it'll work out. It might not be pretty.
It might be hardcore for a while, but it will work out.
Well, I kind of think about it like trading in a way that, you know, your stock can move fast. Intra-day, intra-month, intra-year, it can move an awful lot. But as long as you don't bottom out, as long as you don't actually end up getting kicked out the bottom of your trade, you're like, I'm still in the fucking market, baby.
But if it decides to go to zero, and that is a we, we actually can't do rupture and repair particularly well.
Well, we can do rupture well, but we can't do repair well. Yeah, and then it just turns to resentment, and then resentment to disdain, and then it's over.
Talk to me about resentment. Where does that come from?
There's a couple of things that typically in a relationship, one of the main ways resentment happens is that traditional say someone has the male role, the female role, the male role often is like, my job is to try to make this person happy. That's going to create resentment. Just that action right there.
My job is to make this person happy because what you're saying is you can't make yourself happy. You need me. Fuck you. I don't need you. That's the underlying thing that's happening. Yeah. So you'll see, oh, the man is like, and it happens both ways, don't get me wrong, but the man is like, oh, I need to, I need to, like, I've done everything I can to make her happy and she's still not happy.
I mean, how many guys have you heard that from? It's like, right, she's not happy because you're not treating her like a full-grown fucking adult who knows how to take care of herself. And that is one of the main things that resentment comes from. The other thing that resentment comes from is that I'm not speaking my truth. So I don't say the thing because I'm scared of the conflict.
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