Modern Wisdom
#917 - Vanessa Van Edwards - The Art Of Effortless Confidence & Social Persuasion
Thu, 20 Mar 2025
Vanessa Van Edwards is a behavioral researcher, speaker, and author. How do you make a great first impression? How can I become more charismatic? How can I stop feeling awkward in social situations? We've all wondered about these things at some point. Luckily, Vanessa is an expert on human interaction and has the answers you're looking for. Expect to learn what we should do without hands in social situations, the 4 key things you should do when prepping for a speech, the do’s and don’ts when you’re sitting down, how to detect a liar & how to become a better liar, why so many smart people struggle to be charismatic, how to get better at small talk, how to seem more attractive when dating, how to make the best first impression possible and much more… Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get up to $50 off the RP Hypertrophy App at https://rpstrength.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get the Whoop 4.0 for free and get your first month for free at https://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom Get a 20% discount & free shipping on Manscaped’s shavers at https://manscaped.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM20) Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: How can you make a great first impression with hand gestures?
Talk to me about where we should put our hands.
Oh, my goodness. They should be first things visible. In fact, every time you say hello, you should be, hi, I'm Vanessa. So good to see you. We love a gesture. It's funny because there's a primal part of our brain that knows that our hands are our deadliest weapons. So even though we think, we look at the face. Like when I ask people, where do you look when you first see someone?
People always say, same, eyes or face, sometimes mouth. And that is the second place we look. But the first place we always look, especially when we're seeing someone for the first time or in a meeting or for the first interaction, is we want to see what is your intention. And so as humans, we will do anything to avoid the most awkward thing in humanity, which is, are we going to hug?
Are we going to handshake? Are we going to high five? Are you withholding anything? And so part of our brain is always just looking to see if you're going to handshake, high five. And on Zoom, it's even more confusing because our brain knows that we should see hands, but when it can't, it worries.
And that is because part of our brain and our amygdala begins to fire when we can't see someone's hands, especially when we're trying to understand them. And so the best thing you can do is have your hands visible. That helps with trust. And the second, if you want to get fancy, is to actually have them be explanatory, which we can talk about if you want to.
Yes, tell me. Explain.
So really, really good speakers. They know their content so well that they can speak to you with two different modes. They can speak to you with their words, but they can also use their gestures to emphasize, underline, and outline. So the best TED Talks, you know, I love TED Talks. And my team and I analyze thousands of hours of TED Talks looking for patterns.
I didn't understand why everyone who gives a TED Talk is good, right? You're not invited to give a TED Talk if you're not good. And I wondered why do some go viral, like millions and millions of views, and others, by relatively unknown people, they get thousands. And we looked for all these variables, gender and color and smiling. We clocked the amount of time they smiled.
The biggest differentiator was gestures. The TED Talks that had the most views use an average of 465 gestures in 18 minutes. We coded all a chunk of TED Talks. The least popular view TED Talks use an average of 272 gestures in 18 minutes. What's happening is a really good speaker is making themselves easy to understand by saying if they have three ideas, they hold up three.
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Chapter 2: What makes a TED Talk go viral?
But yes, as humans, we see someone touching their face as untrustworthy. Why? In the lie detection community, research has found that liars are literally trying to hold things in. So liars will often cover their mouth because like instinctively they're trying to like, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it.
You might even see like if you watch Bill Clinton's testimony during the Monica Lewinsky trial, which I've coded in depth, he literally does a shush gesture to himself as he's waiting for his question that he's about to lie on. Like literally he's holding a shush gesture up. Also, we tend to mouth block is like, shh, it's going to get me in trouble. Do not say it.
We also, and this also happened in the Monica Lewinsky trial, I believe Alan Hirsch is the researcher, he counted the number of times that Clinton touched his nose, and he found that it was like 8x times when he was lying versus his truthful answers. This is because there is a little bit of a Pinocchio's nose. They found that we have tissue in our nose that tingles sometimes when we feel guilt.
And so they kind of like, liars will often... They feel that tingling in their nose. So they touch their nose. So we instinctively notice. And the last big one is eye blocking. When we don't want to see something like, oh, I'm embarrassed. I don't like it. We will try to cover our eyes, close our eyes because we are ashamed of it. So shame or guilt, they're very close. They're not the same thing.
We'll often cover our eyes. So I'm pretty against face touching only if it's still. You know, if you're pensively... Holding a chin pose, okay. Otherwise, I would say do not make someone think you're a liar, right? Do not accidentally do that. Oh, I should make a note. There is no Pinocchio's nose. There's no one cue that makes someone a liar. And so these are like one-off cues.
Like if someone you're talking to someone and they haven't touched their nose once, but all of a sudden you're like, so what do you think of the new girl? And they're like, yeah, you know, she's great, right? that's when I would be like, why did that just happen around that weird verbal?
So you're looking for clusters of red flags when we're talking about lie detection that are signals of shame or guilt or fear.
What were the other three actions?
Okay, so touching the face, touching the stomach. So rubbing or touching your torso or your stomach, again, a blocking behavior, right? Like instinctively, we know that. Wringing or rubbing hands. So knuckle cracking, wringing hands, movement around hand self-touch, which makes us nervous. Okay. And blocking behaviors, right? So like any kind of like sudden crossing or blocking.
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Chapter 3: How can you be a charismatic listener?
That hypervigilance, I imagine that a lot of introverts and people that pay attention, maybe smart people have as well, where the micro movement of everybody that's in the room and they're paying attention to it all. How can we become sort of more resilient to that fear of social rejection and maybe actual social rejection?
Yes, this is, I think, the mission of my life is helping people feel braver because what's fascinating is we tend to overestimate our abilities in all areas when it's not correct. We tend to think we're smarter than we are. We contribute more than we contribute. The only exception to that is in conversational awkwardness.
We tend to think that we're bad at conversation when actually we're better than we think. So the first thing I would say is you might be harder on yourself than you need to be. And a lot of this can also come from our past bad experiences.
Like if you struggle with social anxiety or if you had a narcissistic parent, you often misinterpret neutral facial expressions as negative, which means that you have been in interactions where you think people are angry at you. You think people are disappointed or not happy, but actually because of your background, you're misinterpreting neutral as negative.
What were the, what, what are some of the sort of predictive factors for that?
That we, it's a cycle, right? So we, if we had a narcissistic parent, that that parent was overly critical of us and often was negative towards us. So we take that imprinting, we take it to social interactions. We see a neutral person who's like, oh, that's interesting. You do marketing. And we miss into- They hate me.
They think I'm boring.
They hate me. They hate me. I'm gonna excuse myself. Bye. We don't ask for their number. We don't think that we're clicking. We think that we're doing a terrible job. We go home early. And I know this so intimately. If this is you, we are together. It took me years of coming home from parties and me saying to my husband, well, she hates me. And my husband would be like, what are you talking about?
I'm like, yeah. She was so mad at me. He's like, no, I don't think so. And it took a lot of dissecting. This is why I learned microexpressions. It's because I was like, I have to know what anger looks like so I don't misinterpret neutral as angry.
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