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Impossible Precision: A Scientific Study of Ancient Egyptian Stone Vessels | #45 Dr. Max Fomitchev-Zamilov
Thu, 20 Mar 2025
How did ancient Egyptians achieve mind-blowing precision in their stone vessels—thousands of years before modern technology? Dr. Max Fomitchev-Zamilov, scientist and founder of Maximus Energy, joins us to break down his latest research paper, Astonishing Precision of Predynastic Egyptian Stone Vessels: A Metrological Study.We dive deep into the results of cutting-edge 3D scans, theimplications of his findings, and the next steps in uncovering the truth about these enigmatic artifacts. Could an advanced ancient technology be hiding in plain sight? Could nuclear machines have played a role? And what does this mean for our understanding of ancient megalithic sites? Follow Matt Beall Limitless: https://x.com/MattbLimitlesshttps://www.tiktok.com/@mblimitlesshttps://www.instagram.com/mattbealllimitless/https://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Beall-Limitless/61556879741320/ Listen on: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mattbealllimitless Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/c-6727221 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/MattBeallLimitless Check out Dr. Max Fomitchev-Zamilov:https://x.com/MaxZamilovhttps://www.youtube.com/@MaximusEnergyhttps://www.researchgate.net/profile/Max-Fomitchev-Zamilovhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/maximusenergy/ Episode Links:https://maximus.energy/index.php/2025/01/03/astonishing-precision-of-predynastic-egyptian-stone-vessels-a-metrological-study/https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53296-xhttps://maximus.energy/ Episode Timeline:00:00 Introductions11:56 Ben & Russ Vase Scan35:32 Vase Report Review1:32:45 Report Summarized1:40:00 Next Steps2:01:50 Nuclear Machine Hypothesis2:17:56 Ancient Megalithic Sites2:33:26 ClosingThe views and opinions expressed on this podcast are not necessarily the views of the host or of any business related to the host.
Chapter 1: Who is Dr. Max Fomitchev-Zamilov?
My name is Max Fomich of Zemelov. I am the founder of Maximus Energy Corporation. I've been doing my own research at my home lab, primarily focusing on nuclear science. The first thing you see when you walk into our house is a germanium detector, high voltage power supplies, vacuum system, gas analyzers, particle size analyzers. Did you say you had a nuclear reactor at your home?
Yes, yes, I'm working on a nuclear reactor, yes. How many hours did you spend studying, analyzing, measuring, and reporting on these vases?
At least 200 hours, maybe even, you know, 400 by now. I've developed this analytical technique that can help date archaeological artifacts. Whatever was used to make it was not a primitive tool, a primitive technique.
All this nonsense about these being able to be made with a stick and a rock is just garbage. It's just pure, pure garbage.
You know, with these hard stones, you know, copper is useless. And you really need other stones to cut it. So I know, you know, a lot of people who listen to this may say, oh, this is all bullshit. And the pseudoscience, well, it's pseudoscience unless you apply scientific technique to it. And then it becomes real science.
the museum stuff, we don't freaking know if that's real. Like, and people are paying money and people are going to visit museums and going to look at objects that like they think is ancient Egyptian, but is it?
And to give you an example, like I spent a year learning how to measure, actually more than a year, how to measure viscosity of crude oil. You know, it took me that long to figure it out. And then I spent, you know, another year or two and I'm still learning how to measure neutrons and gammas. And I'm just getting started, you know, with metrology.
It's just, you know, a never-ending learning process. But that's only, you know, one facet of what tells, I think, amateur apart from scientist. And we're talking about idealistic scientists, because, you know, scientists are people. Some are better than others, but, you know, what I consider an ideal for a scientist. A scientist would always remain in doubt.
And most people, you know, when they measure something, They want to prove something. There is like a certain point they want to prove. And that's the point they're invested in. And once you are invested in a certain point, you are very subjective about it. you want it to be true and you will be upset if it is not so.
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Chapter 2: What were the key findings from the vase scans?
So if you take a piece of granite, you'll find, you know, uranium and thorium in it for sure, but you will also, you know, find iron and you might find, you know, titanium and good knows what. So you need a control. And that's, you know, a very well-known thing in science. You need to have a control and do a comparative analysis. So...
So what could account for the cleanliness that you observed in these? Because these fragments were, according to Ben and Russ, they were found beneath the step pyramid. And so they've been sitting there since the step pyramid was sealed in 2650 BC, so 4,600 years ago. It's not as if people have been rubbing, cleaning these things.
They were placed there, they were left there, they were forgotten for thousands of years. What could cause that to look so clean?
Well, I have two ideas. First of all, I would start by saying I don't believe that pyramids were religious objects or religious structures. I kind of find it funny when historians or archaeologists don't know what something is, they say, well... Ceremonial. Yeah. If it's a building, they say it's a shrine. If it's a tool, they say it's a... religious artifact.
So by the same token, you walk into a metal, metallurgical plant, you have no idea what it is, it will look damn impressive, you know, pretty high beams and fire, and you say, well, of course it's a shrine. And all this, you know, tweezers and hammers and something else, you know, those will be, you know, religious tools. So that's I don't know, maybe because scientists tend to be atheists.
Not that I am an atheist, but, you know, a more rational explanation is closer to me. So I'm thinking of those are, you know, some utilitarian structures and these are all, you know, utilitarian tools that are not like magical artifacts. So it was used for something. And because I'm a scientist, I'm familiar with plasmas and I'm familiar with sound.
And the two things that are unique about sound and plasmas, they have pretty darn good cleaning effects. In fact, the way we do microchips, plasma etching and plasma cleaning is used all the time. It's like a go-to technological method for ensuring purity, getting rid of surface contaminants, you know, stripping layers, it's plasma etching, plasma cleaning.
So if you have a dirty vacuum chamber, you know, you create some plasma and pump on it and it's gonna be clean. So plasma comes to mind and sound. So we use ultrasonic cleaners, you know, sound just shakes stuff. And if you have anything on the surface and you shake it long enough, it's going to dislodge everything.
So from the scientific perspective, I think you can achieve the same level of cleanliness with plasma or with sound. I'm not saying that's how those were cleaned. Because I don't know how dirty they were in the beginning, it's also possible that I don't know, if they were like found in the desert, I would say, well, maybe just sand blowing, you know, with just a blade and clean it.
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Chapter 3: Could ancient Egyptians have used advanced technology?
So you take a vase, you scan it, So I don't know how precise it is. So what you need to do, you need to scan a metrological standard, you know, then scan the VAs, and then scan metrological standards periodically, you know, to make sure that, you know, your thing stays in calibration. And that was, you know, one of the things I discovered in some of the scans.
Some of the CAT scans had artifacts in them, looked like ripples. And, you know, when I look at it, I don't know whether it's like a genuine feature of the object, or whether it's like aliasing. You know, we're all familiar with aliasing. You know, when you watch a video, it becomes grainy, so that's aliasing. So was it aliasing, or was it something else?
So I talked to the technician, and yeah, sure enough, it was, you know, one of those things. It wasn't a genuine feature, it was an artifact. But, you know, because the... It was.
Yeah, it was an artifact, yes.
But it was, you know, rather small, unimportant, so I quit focusing on it. But because the metrological standard was scan, I was sure, you know, the rest of the scans, you know, were good and solid. And the resolving ability of CAD scanner is at least, you know, 10 times better than optical, optical instrument.
And I'm not qualified to discuss pros and cons and limitations of optical scanning, but it's pretty clear. You see more with x-rays. and you see smaller features with x-rays. And you're seeing the inside.
Yeah, and you're seeing the inside.
That's supremely important. Because one of the things I've done in my analysis, I added the analysis of the inside, because we all agree it's far easier to work the outer surface. And you can fool maybe somebody, kind of like Olga Vdovina did by working on one of her vases meticulously. She achieved some remarkable precision. but she couldn't do the same for the inner surface.
Yeah, one of the pros of the optical scan versus the CT scan is the cost.
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Chapter 4: What is the nuclear machine hypothesis?
It's, you know, when my lovely wife paints, sometimes when she paints something over and over, it tends to slide because, you know, that's what happens to us. You know, you think it's close, You put an X stroke, but it's not quite at the same place. You put the next stroke, and the thing drifts.
And every so often, she comes to me and say, curse this eye I was painting for so long, and now it's in a different place. And that's what we see here, you know. It's just what happens. Yeah, it's another vase, just for example, the other vase. It's not quite as precise as this one, but it's still pretty amazing.
So we have six, ten thousands of an inch centering error for the outer surface and little worse than, you know, one thousand of an inch for the inner surface. So it's on par, you know, with this vase, but I would say maybe like two times worse, roughly.
All right. So, so far, we're just looking at the couple that we've looked at. It seems like there's two very distinct classes of artifacts. Right.
That was the main conclusion. So this is scatterplot on the horizontal axis. We have, I believe, the... So the vertical axis is the deviation from the center. It's the concentricity error. Yes. And the horizontal axis is the circularity error. it's a two-dimensional plot. We have circularity error horizontally and concentricity error vertically. And this is a logarithmic plot.
Logarithmic means it's not linear. Because it was linear, we would have just two dots in it. And because if we had two dots, we cannot see the points through individual vases, I chose a logarithmic plot. And a lot of scientists do it when you have data that's very different in size. You cannot fit it like on one page comfortably.
And I think this is good because green vases here are what, you know, I deem precise, and I'll explain why. And blue is what I deem imprecise. And you can see that the red dots are the vases that are made by Olga. They fall into the imprecise class. versus orange dots are the contemporary machine made in a vases that fall in the precise class.
And on this particular chart, I just show a broad grouping. That's out of all vases that I analyzed, just looking at this two particular subsets of quality metric, how concentric the slices are and how circular they are. You have two blobs, you know, two distinct blobs. One is I call precise and the other I call imprecise.
And these, a couple of questions maybe on this slide first. So all of the three orange ones that are in there are the modern vases. Modern vases, yes. Olga's are the red ones. Yes. And they're in there with the imprecise class. And it doesn't look like the two classes are very far away on this chart.
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Chapter 5: How did Dr. Fomitchev-Zamilov analyze the vases?
And how you can do this without using some kind of measurement tool, I have no idea. And those are consistent, you know, with machining. The three orange vases are modern vases that we know were made on the lathe, you know, because when you watch, you know, these videos, they showcase this, you know, Pakistani, Bangladeshi,
shops where they... It's a primitive lace, but it's a mechanical lace nonetheless, right? So it has a motor, has a chuck. So this thing goes into the chuck and then, you know, the drill bit or the tool bit is secured on a table and they, you know, move it by turning the knob. Or sometimes actually hold the cutter.
So sometimes they hold the cutter and they still, you know, get pretty decent quality. But Not only these green bars are consistent with machining, they are somewhat better. And few of them like V4 or V18 are like 10 times better in quality than this run-of-the-mill machined. Which means if they were machined, they were machined
Chapter 6: What is the significance of the scanning technology used?
with extraordinary care, not just, you know, quickly, we need to make a $10, you know, give thing. You can hold the cutter by hand because no time to do it, but it was done, you know, with some extreme care, but it's consistent with machining. I cannot say it was machined. I can say it's consistent with machining and it's consistent with high quality machining.
I mean, if it was done some other way, you know, perhaps, but That's all I can conclude from this analysis. What else do we have there?
So that's incredible, first off. So it says conclusively that those 11 artifacts were machined.
Well, I would say, proper way of phrasing it, the quality of their fashioning is consistent with machining. So I cannot say they were machined, but I would say the quality of fashioning is consistent with machining, yes. Whereas the other one is quality of fashioning is consistent with manual labor.
Right, right, right.
And I think it's a defensible statement, you know, given the data that I presented.
Absolutely. Yeah. Could you make those ones in green with primitive hand tools?
I rather doubt that because, you know, that's not Olga's result. You know, she tried and her objective was to disprove.
Right.
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Chapter 7: How do modern vases compare to ancient ones?
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's interesting. And then that kind of does it for the report, I guess. Right. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So amazing job. Amazing report. Yeah. Really, really good. And we'll make it available on the link and it's on your website. So yes. Yeah, we'll link it to your website. And then I guess, Ryan, the last just couple of pages was kind of what we already talked about a bit.
We've kind of covered this, and then the thing with Olga kind of showing where she cheated. I mean, she's using a marker.
There's the— Yeah, that's the porter's wheel, which is a contemporary piece of technology because, as I said, it's ball-bearing supported. So if she wanted to be entirely true to her cause,
her potter's wheel should have been consistent with what they used in ancient Egyptian time, meaning either clay-based or wood-based, stick-supported as opposed to ball bearing, because that's how she was able to achieve the remarkable accuracy of her outer surface.
But even, you know, you mentioned chalk. Even if the Egyptians were using chalk and doing something similar to this, the chalk would wear down as the thing is being turned.
Well, I think what she was doing, she was marking the high spots. So she would turn it, mark the high spot, and then she would polish them away. And then she repeated.
Right.
So it's like temporary marking.
Right. And at the top, on the top quadrant above the handles on the bottom image, those lines, they make it look really good. But those are just marker lines, right? That's just from a Sharpie. Right. Going around there. Yeah. It looks like, oh, wow, that's amazing.
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Chapter 8: What conclusions can be drawn about the manufacturing techniques?
Wow.
But, you know, you can pick another model, and I don't pretend to be an expert on nuclear reactors of that type.
Yeah. So... But highly, highly unlikely.
Yeah, based on what I know and what it goes into building. I mean, look at Iran. They've been, you know, trying to produce a weapon for how long?
Yeah.
And they couldn't, you know, despite... their best efforts, it's difficult. And, you know, it took all of America's intellectual capacity organizing on their Oppenheimer and a bunch of national labs to do all of it. And hundreds of PhDs, thousands of people, and
it's a difficult process to maintain it's very for the chain reaction inside the reactor it's very easy either to turn into explosion and destroy the reactor or not go at all so it will either fizzle out or blow just keeping it going that's where the real trick is and then having it going like for thousands or hundreds of thousands of millions of years is just beyond credibility it's just um
And this couldn't be something that like the Germans or that nobody was like doing in the 40s. No, it was found underground.
So it's ancient. I don't think it's like a few thousand years old.
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