In this episode of Matt Beall Limitless, we dive deep intoone of the most controversial and mysterious pieces of UFO footage ever released—the Alien Interview. Researcher and filmmaker Jon Stewart joins us to analyze the origins of the footage, its implications, and the enigmatic figure known as “Victor,” who allegedly leaked it from Area 51. Follow Matt Beall Limitless:https://x.com/MattbLimitlesshttps://www.tiktok.com/@mblimitlesshttps://www.instagram.com/mattbealllimitless/https://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Beall-Limitless/61556879741320/ Listen on:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mattbealllimitless Rumble:https://rumble.com/c/c-6727221Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/c/MattBeallLimitless Check out Jon Stewart:Email:[email protected]://huntingvictor.com/about/https://www.tiktok.com/@thealieninterviewcasehttps://www.instagram.com/thealieninterviewEpisode Timeline:00:00 Introductions12:41 Alien Interview Premier50:56 Analyzing the Video1:43:31 Who is Victor?2:06:03 Next Steps?2:22:11 ClosingThe views and opinions expressed on this podcast are not necessarily the views of the host or of any business related to the host.
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
You want to explore this video and figure out whether or not it's real.
I am telling you what I saw, what I witnessed, what I was handed, what I was physically shown. I went at this like a true scientist investigator to prove it was fake. And if I found out that it was real, to work backwards. Who I believe 99% the man who went as Victor is the ufologist. So the last six seconds shows six alien corpses on World War II era stretchers.
And she goes, I just want to tell you something. It's not the DIA that's stealing your emails. It's the NSA. The abbreviation DNI slash 27. The number 27 is the bombshell. So this was filmed April 22, 1991 at 315 in the afternoon in a facility run by the Defense Intelligence Agency. The medical staff has chosen more for their ability to keep secrets than their medical knowledge.
Not one human being has ever come forward to say, I worked on that alleged hoax, a three-minute alien interview.
Tell me about college, early life. You did some pretty interesting things.
Yeah, I grew up in the far northwest side of Chicago, upper middle class upbringing. My father was a local car dealer, a stay-at-home mom. I was very good at football. I was a high school football standout and got a lot of offers, but I took...
a walk-on, it's called an invited walk-on to Memphis State because my GPA wasn't high enough because I knew pro wrestling was popular down there in Memphis. And to get into pro wrestling, which was my ultimate goal, was like getting into the mafia back in the 80s. And even the 70s and 60s, it was a clothes shop. and it was like actually entering the mafia.
You had to finagle your way in, improve yourself, and lo and behold, six months at Memphis State, I met a promoter at a grocery store who was on TV, and I'm like, I know you, and I'm down here to be a pro wrestler, and he... Sized me up and said, okay, if you want to try and do it, do it.
I left the Memphis State football team in the spring session and became a pro wrestler freshman year in college, traveling around the Mid-South while still in class and on TV. I was kind of like the big man on campus to some degree. And that was a great experience. And I've been a pro wrestler, or I was on and off from 86 to 2012.
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Chapter 2: What evidence supports the reality of the Alien Interview?
People would call up my mom at like 10 to 4 after watching me and going, Carol, I saw Johnny. He's got blonde hair, and he looks like he's got one of your nightgowns on, you know, with the boa feathers. So we got a big kick out of that.
Nice, nice. So your peak time then was the AWE?
AWA.
AWA.
On ESPN from 88 to 91. Nice, nice.
Okay, okay. That's awesome, man.
Yeah. Oh, boy. There you are, yeah. You ain't going to bed looking at these photos. Good for you, man. That's awesome. And this was hard, you know, to have people take me seriously all of a sudden. You know, I went to the New York Times, which we'll get to, to present my investigation.
And it was a little difficult of a hurdle at times when people went on the Internet to see me, and I had blonde hair and the boa robe and... And although a lot of people said, oh, this is cool, you used to be a pro wrestler at times, it was a little difficult. But it was more good than the military insiders that helped me got a great kick out of it. It actually did work.
But talking to the New York Times and having them going back to their office, Rolf Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, or before we met, I'm sure they Googled me, must have been like, what? What year did you talk to this? I talked to Ralph and Leslie in 2022. Okay. So, yeah, so it worked sometimes, and I had a little bit of a hurdle.
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Chapter 3: Who is Victor and what is his significance?
I don't know how to get away from that.
It's not just a problem with you. It's not just a problem within the UFO community. It's a problem... globally, worldwide with everybody. It's just everybody judges, everybody labels, everybody's criticizing individuals and people, and it's just, yeah.
So you come to Florida and you get therapy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a part of the human condition right now. Well said, sir. So what we're going to do, though, is dive deep into the facts and into the data and into what we know about the video and try to figure out
What I want to do is try to paint a picture of everything that we know, all of the facts that you have been able to collect, everything that you've been able to analyze, because you've got a lot of really valid points and reasons why this thing could be real. And if it is real, obviously that's game-changing, but I don't think that it's been...
explored like in a linear fashion from start to finish, you know, with every major point that on any specific one podcast that I've seen. So I want this podcast to be about that. Yeah, I want this to be the most compelling evidence, the most compelling evidence conversation that exists on the internet today about this topic so that we can really push it forward.
I'm going to give you the devil's advocate. This is something that many UFO researchers will not do. I'm honored for you to have me here. To show my ultimate respect for you is I am also going to give your viewers and listeners the flip side of some of the evidence that why it could be a hoax or a fake. And I hope people respect that.
Perfect. Perfect. Good. And then in addition to that, there's some new information that you haven't put out onto a podcast yet. Is that right? Yes.
Well, I don't know specifically. Well, I put everything in my documentary, but there's still a couple of things at the end of my documentary that we didn't shove in that I will certainly talk about.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the Alien Interview footage?
On comes Victor the whistleblower, claims to be a government employee, and the fact that the government was hiding this technology and the fact that we had aliens bothered him to the point where he felt the need to prove to the world that our government has extraterrestrials in retention.
So who is Victor?
Okay, well, I don't want to say his name yet, but Victor is the whistleblower who went on camera who said he was the active agent of copying this film onto a VHS tape and then bringing it to Rocket Pictures.
So we're past the autopsy video. We're now talking about the video that you're bringing to this podcast. Correct. And Victor is the guy that originally had this video.
Yeah, let me go back a little bit. 1996, this is six months before Jon Stewart sees the video. A man is going around Hollywood trying to sell this VHS tape of this three-minute alien extraterrestrial interrogation, they call it. He's thrown out of Fox TV. which is even remarkable that he could even get a meeting with the head of unscripted television. His name was Mike Darnell.
He's a retired Hollywood producer, very famous. And he met with Victor. He said he was a pain in the ass. He was difficult to deal with. And they kind of shoot him out of the Fox office. Victor, the whistleblower with this tape, goes over to a newsstand, sees Variety magazine, opens it up and sees an advertisement for like a Rodney Dangerfield golf comedic VHS tape.
put by a company named rocket pitchers. And he calls them figures. Maybe this company will let me, or put my video on. Cause they're not so, you know, peculiar. And remember, this is coming off the alien autopsy, Fox, NBC, CBS. Don't want to have any egg on their face. Like Fox is having now that the producer said, yeah, it was a hoax.
So this was the climate that Victor was, was, was encountering. So rocket pitcher agrees. They get him a taxi. Wasn't, he didn't drive. Um, So they bring Victor into the office. They pop this VHS tape in, and that's important because I've established the provenance that Rocket Pitcher, the one that actually made this documentary around the three-minute film, did not produce the three-minute film.
I've talked to the director, the CEO, and three other production people that said, whatever you want to think about this film, we did not produce it. This guy did hand us this VHS tape. So the provenance of that tape is from Victor. If it's fake, Victor...
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Chapter 5: How does the Alien Interview challenge public perception?
It just sounded like a really delicate and, A very, a story that had a lot of moving parts in it that I just don't think somebody would have the guts to put out there. A food cart in this government high-tech facility is brought down on the elevator that is carrying a non-human intelligent craft.
And to be able to sell that, to tell that, I would think if I was lying about that, I don't think I would say something like that because how could I sell that unless it was true? And he cuts himself off from telling the rest of the story because he's afraid that any more of the food story, story about food, is going to pinpoint his identity. And I... And I'm thinking, something's not right here.
Something in the bean. I see a bean. We have an interrogation of a gray bean, but the bean's tan. Matt, if you and I were hoaxing this video of a gray alien being interviewed, the first thing we would do is make sure the gray animatronic alien is gray, right? It's got round eyes, not almond.
I can see in that documentary, when I first watch it, the eye, the skin around the ocular circle, the ocular cavity moves. It's moving, and it goes round to round on the top, a little flat on the bottom. And I was on my couch going... Geez, that's a very intricate animatronic doll if it is. Then you see the mouth open like this almost instantaneously.
Not like the Pirates of the Caribbean animatronic dolls with the bad mouth and facial movements. And then black foam starts coming out of this being. And I look at the neck, and the neck is so thin. I'm like, well, how could somebody have their hand up and the chin was so narrow? I'm like, how could a human being fit their hand in that head and then also have a tube with foam coming out?
I'm not saying it's not possible, and I hope you respect that. I'm not saying that it's not impossible, but it certainly didn't seem highly likely that that was at least a hand puppet. The documentary interviews special effects people who all say it looks fake. Looks fake. Doesn't look fake to me, but whatever. They said that whoever did it could have a job in Hollywood in a second.
But it looks fake.
But it looks fake. And then a couple of guys go, again, which you will hear in my presentation 50 times, but there's some movements that I can't explain how it's done. If you're a special effects expert in Hollywood and you can't explain to me how a schlocky video production company made an animatronic alien...
You know, Spielberg would be hiring them, and you can't tell me how the bean, because the bean at one point sits up at the same time it moves its head like this. It makes like five different motions, and that this special effects person said, I'm not sure how they did that. You know, I'm an automobile dealer. I can tell you why a Toyota is a Toyota. There isn't any ambiguity.
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Chapter 6: What role does the Department of Naval Intelligence play?
Okay. Yeah.
challenging the ufo community like you losers yeah no one's investigated me right you believe it's real how do you believe it's real face value that's meaningless to me go out and prove it's real if i'm fake find my identity if the if the the being is fake to all the fx world he said all these puppet makers these businessmen because which which is what they are that's his words
Build another alien and show us you can do it if it's so easy, but you haven't done it. Everything is words, words, words. He was infuriated at the special effects community, the UFO community, for just kind of like shrugging their shoulders and either discounting it or believing that it was authentic. And that did not strike me as somebody that felt that that film... was authentic.
Because there is an outside chance that somebody from the government handed Victor that film and maybe recreated it to look like it is authentic. So I have to, again, I hope you respect this, tell you the devil's advocate that that it might have been a recreation by the government, and Victor thought it was real.
But nonetheless, Victor comes back and acts completely the antithesis of a hoaxer, a guy that challenges people, find me out, find out who I am, research this video, and you'll know the truth. Did not catch me in particular as somebody that was leading a hoax.
But this is like 10 years later.
10 years later. Yeah. And that's very important to know that the 97 documentary, 10 years later, because we have provenance that Victor, when I release his identity at the end to you and your viewers, that you'll see that he has 10-year anniversary milestones that he releases information. That's another little something to remind her. So imagine me in 08, you know, thinking he's coming back.
I'm like, this is not what a liar does. This is not what a hoaxer does. You don't challenge your mother or father to prove that I didn't take the cookie out of the cookie jar. You don't do that. You just keep saying, I didn't do it, I didn't do it, I didn't do it. You don't say, well, investigate it.
It was remarkable, and it was something that really made me believe that something with Victor is not right. Again, I hope people can appreciate that I wasn't like, oh, he's real. No, but something was not right with all of this information that I've given you. But I wanted to go back very quickly to one little aspect.
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Chapter 7: How does the video production quality affect credibility?
We've got five stills of the creature's face, one that looks skeleton-like, one that looks very inquisitive, one with the eyes changing. And we've asked FX people, you could make an animatronic doll in one take, have five different facial expressions, a cheesy, schlocky video production company? Really? Okay. I mean, okay.
So he came out in 97, but when was this actually filmed?
So Victor tells us, and my research has shown that this was filmed, and this is great that we now know the provenance and I can talk about it. So this was filmed April 22, 1991 at 3.15 in the afternoon. in a facility run by the Defense Intelligence Agency, which we have proven through FOIA and historical documents that the DIA took over the Project Blue Book from the Air Force in 1962.
But the program is mostly run by the Department of Naval Intelligence. We have a whistleblower telling us that outside this interview suite was a conga line of other three-letter intelligence agencies waiting to get into the room to ask their specific set of questions through the telepath to this being. It's bizarre.
He said it was almost like an actor's cattle call, like people waiting in the hallway and And so the fact that it was filmed on behalf of the Department of Naval Intelligence, that's why you see the abbreviation, because that is a standard protocol for a government audiovisual documentation. Who is this being made for? And I'll give a little bit of the bombshell.
Number 27, that is the security level that you would need to have, Colonel Matt Bell, to be able to see this film. If you had number 24 security level, you'd have to leave the room. So keep that in mind. But the 27 is still the bombshell. And whenever you want to talk about the little monitor, it's a game changer.
Where is the monitor?
Monitor is to the right, the green blip to the right.
Okay, yeah, let's talk about it.
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Chapter 8: What conclusions can we draw about the authenticity of the footage?
Right.
And the money to do that, if it's even possible, he didn't even know the technique of how to do that, he said would be in Spielberg's stratosphere. Correct.
But if it's foam, it's not moving its head. It's not bobbling its head all around, right? So the neck isn't big enough for it to be somebody in a costume.
Right. And even on the back of the head, there was one photo that people show kind of the back of the head. You don't see any arm. I'm not saying it's not possible, but then it would have to be a hand.
A static puppet with a hand in the back of the head, and then we were told three to four people in the background with animatronic radio-controlled cables moving the skin around the ocular socket, moving the mouth open, and then somebody pumping the black fluid. You're looking at me like, come on. And somebody pumping black fluid into the mouth.
So you're talking about four or five guys controlling this being. Yeah. And that's why we say $60,000, $70,000, $80,000.
So where's the black fluid? What's the best shot of the black fluid on this home?
Well, we don't have one right here. It's at the end of the video when the medic grabs the gauze. Oh, he might be grabbing the gauze there. And if you bring up the video, you can see black foam. It's not easy on this video.
He's wiping away definitely a black foam, that foam, F-O-A-M.
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