Know Thyself
E138 - Veda Austin: The Hidden Intelligence of Water: Structure, Memory & Healing
Tue, 11 Mar 2025
Crystallographer Veda Austin unpacks the mysterious intelligence of water and what she's learned from 15 years of researching it's design. She reveals the freezing method she uses to study 4th phase water, capturing fascinating images of water reacting to photos, words, music, and more. She shares the molecular difference of tap water and spring water, the memory and consciousness of water, and how she reacts to claims of pareidolia and repeatability in her work.Try Alive Waters & Save 50% on your first order: https://alivewaters.com/ Use Code KNOWTHYSELFAndrés Book Recs: https://www.knowthyself.one/books___________0:00 Intro1:06 Water as an Intelligent Designer8:23 Powerful Phase Between Solid & Liquid14:24 Her Favorite Examples of This16:31 Addressing Criticism, Pareidolia & Repeatability 31:05 Structure of Spring vs Tap Water34:41 Ad: Alive Waters35:44 Impact of Water Quality on Our Health39:44 Spiritual Side of Water & Tears41:53 To Become Like Water44:16 What Water Reveals to Veda48:33 Memory & Water's Eternal Nature52:21 Energetically Charging Your Water57:25 What Water to Drink1:01:26 Coming Into Right Relationship with Water1:04:41 Conclusion___________Episode Resources: https://www.instagram.com/vedaaustin_water/https://www.vedaaustin.com/https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4wglCWTJeWQC0exBalgKghttps://www.knowthyself.oneSpotify & Apple: https://open.spotify.com/show/4FSiemtvZrWesGtO2MqTZ4?si=d389c8dee8fa4026https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-thyself/id1633725927
Chapter 1: What is the hidden intelligence of water?
We can see the voice of water in picture form, and it can get much more complex than that. I've seen water override what I'm thinking to show me what I'm feeling. Water shows me reflections of myself that are so beautiful, and yet sometimes I find that hard to see. Water is not to be taken for granted. Water is the house of God.
To see water as a representation of something divine, and then we could start seeing ourselves as something divine.
Ada Austin, thanks for being here.
Thank you for having me.
What was the shift for you from seeing water as a substance to a living intelligence? When was that shift for you?
Well, I've been a crystallographer for so long, 14 years. And after seeing water respond rather than react to conscious expression, that's when I really started to see water in a completely different way. I mean, I was in a horrendous car accident and I had a healing experience with water.
But until I was working in the realms where the unseen becomes seen, where thoughts literally are being crystallized in ice, I don't know that I fully comprehended that water was an intelligent designer. And I would say that some examples might be helpful. When I was curious, is my consciousness impacting the water or is water conscious?
And so I started working with words that are conceptual words, words that I don't have a picture for. And one of those words was ego. So we don't buy ego at the store and we don't know what ego exactly looks like. So with the word ego, I wrote it down on a piece of paper, put my petri dish of water on top of it for 30 seconds, removed and froze using my short-term freezing method.
And what water designed, I could never have even thought of myself. It had big shoulders, this little neck, a little face and a giant balloon head. And it was such an incredible representation of an outward expression of ego. And I couldn't only think, gosh, you know, I never thought this. I never projected that thought. This is water designing something from its own, from a unique place.
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Chapter 2: How does water interact with conscious expression?
There is this memory of water being sacred and something that houses the divine.
There is something really unique in the perspective of us entering earth, being through amniotic fluid and in water and gestating in that period for a while. So there's a lot of really philosophical understandings that I'm excited to dive into. I love how you said the study of water is the study of self. And it's very on brand for this podcast. And what I'm very much so passionate about.
But when you started crystallography and taking photos of water in a certain state, right? Would you say it's not quite ice, but it's not liquid yet? How do you describe what is the stage in which you're taking photos of water that are infused with different intentions and stuff?
It's more of a plasma stage. So the stage between liquid and ice, water is more like a plasma. Sometimes it's called the fourth phase of water. There's a liquid solid gas and then a type of gel or plasma. And that type of water is actually H3O2. It has an extra hydrogen and oxygen atom. and is more viscous. So a good example of a fourth phase water is aloe vera or equite, things that stretch.
And it has an ordered molecular structure. It absorbs more light and it has negative charge. So all of those things are qualities of fourth phase water. And I discovered this freezing method through my own curiosity and learning about the fourth state of water and reading Dr. Gerald Pollack, The Fourth Phase of Water, and his book and his writings.
And so he said that in the stage between liquid and solid, in the freezing stage and also in the melting stage, this fourth phase water is there. So I was curious, like when are these structures starting to form and is it actually in this fourth phase stage? So I started to open my freezer earlier and earlier to see what was going on in there because I use a regular freezer.
I'm not using a microscope. I take all my photos on my iPhone. And at about five minutes and 20 seconds in my freezer, I saw there was liquid on top and ice underneath. So I took it out, naturally tipped the liquid away and photographed the ice that was stuck to the dish. And what's interesting about this ice is that it's not exactly ice. It's not exactly a solid. It's more of a plasma.
And a wonderful example that a friend of mine who also is a crystallographer who learned my method, Christina, she had done some crystallography using a glass baking dish. So you saw all the beautiful wave patterns there. And she's holding it up. And so what normally happens is that the water will just melt or evaporate.
But with her particular dish, the sheet of ice moved down the dish and then scrolled upon itself with all of the information still embedded on the ice. And when we showed that to Dr. Jerry Pollack, he said that most likely answer was that it was sheets and sheets and sheets of fourth phase water.
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Chapter 3: What is the structure of fourth phase water?
Chapter 4: How does water quality affect our health?
Chapter 5: What are Veda Austin's favorite examples of water's responses?
And the work that you've been doing and the possibility of water being more than just a mere substance or liquid, as we know, H2O from a molecular standpoint. Why do you feel like it's important to have these conversations about what water is right now? Why is now an important time to be talking about all this?
I think any time is an important time to be talking about this. But especially now, I mean, water has revealed itself. so that it can be seen and heard and understood. Certainly in this visual way, with my work and with other people's work, where we can see the voice of water in picture form. It's important because water essentially is teaching us about transparency, about a universal truth.
Wura is teaching us that not only just by the molecular count, but it's helpful to say this, by molecular count, not by volume, we're 99% water. There are more water molecules in our body than all the stars in the perceivable universe. The study of water is the study of self. The study of water is the study of spirit. And the study of water is the study of the divine.
So when is this not a good topic to talk about or focus on? And I think in ancient times, and certainly I know in indigenous cultures, water is still revered, is still considered holy. In ancient times, water wasn't even called water. It was called the waters because it was considered to be a sacred body of water.
When Romans brought plumbing into creation, people started to suddenly see the waters taking away their waste. So the waters was reduced to the word water. And now we reduce it even further to H2O. But in the English language where the waters or waters outside of biblically is used, the is when we say her waters broke.
There is this memory of water being sacred and something that houses the divine.
There is something really unique in the perspective of us entering earth, being through amniotic fluid and in water and gestating in that period for a while. So there's a lot of really philosophical understandings that I'm excited to dive into. I love how you said the study of water is the study of self. And it's very on brand for this podcast. And what I'm very much so passionate about.
But when you started crystallography and taking photos of water in a certain state, right? Would you say it's not quite ice, but it's not liquid yet? How do you describe what is the stage in which you're taking photos of water that are infused with different intentions and stuff?
It's more of a plasma stage. So the stage between liquid and ice, water is more like a plasma. Sometimes it's called the fourth phase of water. There's a liquid solid gas and then a type of gel or plasma. And that type of water is actually H3O2. It has an extra hydrogen and oxygen atom. and is more viscous. So a good example of a fourth phase water is aloe vera or equite, things that stretch.
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Chapter 6: How can water be energetically charged?
Chapter 7: What is the relationship between water and tears?
Yeah, I love that one because in each seed there is about 10% of water still in it and water is always in conversation with itself. So when I put the sunflower seed into the dish of water and then removed it, water didn't design the seed. It designed the outcome of the seed. It read the information of the seed and designed the sunflower. Same thing with a flax seed.
I see the flax pod, which is kind of like the fruit of the flax where the seeds are. And same thing with an apple seed. I see the apple. But I also see with the apple, for example, that I've let that water melt, then refrozen it three days later and seen the apple is still there. And then let that melt and refroze it seven days later and the apple is still there. So I love that.
I mean, I have over 64,000 photos of water responding in an intelligent way. It's really so hard to choose.
That's incredible. Yeah, there's so many. And just flipping through some of the imagery in your book was really cool to see. It's so artistic and feels so creative, which I know is obviously like you see yourself also as a co-creator and lover of art in this whole process too. And I think that in pursuit of... I guess, total materialistic validity.
We kind of lose the metaphorical, poetic, and beauty of a lot of these things too. But how do you address head-on the criticism of pareidolia and the lack of potential repeatability with these things? Like ideally, we should be able to put a sunflower seed there every time and see this same result, right? So what do you say?
If water was a machine, maybe. Maybe. That's not what we're working with. We're working with something quite different. I do get a lot of more scientific attention for hydroglyphs because of the vast amount of repeatability I have. And what are those? So essentially what I have is three ways that water shares information.
a signature pattern that allows us to see the type of water it is, and that's also very much seated in repeatability. So I see a repeated pattern for rainwater, for example, which is like a fanning pattern. It always is the same kind of pattern. Spring water that's frozen within half an hour of collection from a spring forms what I call a star fern hexagon.
It's like a six-pointed star with ferns off each leg that would form a hexagonal pattern. Municipal tap water has a lot of disorder. Filtered water has a lot of compacted lines that are kind of stuck together. So you can identify the type of water you're working with based off repeated patterns. So that's a very scientific approach. kind of way of viewing that because repeatability is there.
The repeatability is there.
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Chapter 8: How can we come into a right relationship with water?
Well, to address that, Dr. Jerry Pollack, in my earlier part of doing this work, he said, why don't you put 25 of your photographs together, make a survey, circulate it through social media or something, and simply say, what does this image look like to you? Not leading anybody on in any way. And so that's exactly what I did. And I gave it to other people. So people didn't know that it was me.
They didn't know what they were looking at. And 298 people did the survey. And 85% of those people were able to recognize the ice imagery for what the influence was prior to freezing. And there were three images where 100% of people were able to recognize the image. That's a kind of a big deal. So the images are recognizable.
And then you talk about repeatability as being like the gold standard for science. Well, a nice example, even with the art, and then we'll get to hydrocliffs, which is where all the repeatability is. But even within the art, people often ask me, yeah, but can it repeat that? Well, actually, it can do something quite complex. In my talks, I often show this picture.
So I have my friend Wendy, who was the first face I ever saw in water. And I used her photograph as an image because I was in the early days wondering, well, you know, is this just some random thing? And what if it starts to show me different people's features and maybe it's not random? And so I put the dish of water on top of her photo and sure enough, I see her face.
So then I took the face of the ice face and I printed that out and used that as the influence and water designed a negative of her face. Side by side, you can literally put them one over the top of each other. There's repeatability even in imagery. So when it comes to hydroglyphs, Essentially what I'm using is words as my Rosetta Stone.
I noticed that if I put something in the freezer and it was on top of like, this is an example of like a pizza box and it had pizza on it, would it design a pizza? Like I said, oh, that's really unusual. That's interesting. And then I noticed that words seemed to affect the way water behaved. I had a Petri dish of water on top of a wedding invitation, and the main word was marriage.
And it showed this amazing ring. And I'm like, huh, that's really interesting. Mm-hmm. But hydroglyphs evolved from music. So my son had read Emoto's book, Messages in Water, and he had looked at all the pictures. And he came to me and he said, Oh, Mom, I think water hates me. I'm like, why, honey?
And he said, but look, look, water only likes classical music and John Lennon, and it hates heavy metal. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know you liked heavy metal. He said, I don't. But he said, it also suggests that water doesn't like swearing, and I like Tupac, and Tupac swears, therefore water must hate me. And he said, even I swear sometimes when you don't know about it.
I'm like, my baby, water is not in judgment. Let me make that clear. Water is not in judgment. I said, let's see what water will do. I said, I'm pretty sure whoever did the heavy metal probably just didn't like it. So we did this whole exploration over a very long period of time with different genres of music, simply playing a song, leaving the room, coming back and freezing.
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