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So I don't want to interrupt too much, but it's interesting.

So I don't want to interrupt too much, but it's interesting.

So I don't want to interrupt too much, but it's interesting.

I think about how societally we're always building on the knowledge we have from our predecessors and how we often really inherit the axiomatic worldview of previous brilliant thinkers, which is amazing. And yet we are always in many ways limited working in a line of questioning that we started working on.

I think about how societally we're always building on the knowledge we have from our predecessors and how we often really inherit the axiomatic worldview of previous brilliant thinkers, which is amazing. And yet we are always in many ways limited working in a line of questioning that we started working on.

I think about how societally we're always building on the knowledge we have from our predecessors and how we often really inherit the axiomatic worldview of previous brilliant thinkers, which is amazing. And yet we are always in many ways limited working in a line of questioning that we started working on.

Yeah, I think on the path and pursuit of truth, anyone has to honestly ask themselves what is it they truly know versus what are beliefs, presumptions, and exploring the nature of reality. Consciousness is the one thing we're truly intimate with. It's like the one thing that I can actually be certain of in this moment is that I am, that I exist, that I am having an experience.

Yeah, I think on the path and pursuit of truth, anyone has to honestly ask themselves what is it they truly know versus what are beliefs, presumptions, and exploring the nature of reality. Consciousness is the one thing we're truly intimate with. It's like the one thing that I can actually be certain of in this moment is that I am, that I exist, that I am having an experience.

Yeah, I think on the path and pursuit of truth, anyone has to honestly ask themselves what is it they truly know versus what are beliefs, presumptions, and exploring the nature of reality. Consciousness is the one thing we're truly intimate with. It's like the one thing that I can actually be certain of in this moment is that I am, that I exist, that I am having an experience.

And many of the things that we seem or claim to know in our external reality are really our relation to it is separate in the sense of I have an icon or an image or a projection of you inside of myself. And so it is interesting that consciousness is the one thing not publicly observable. And on the flip side, the one thing that we have direct access to.

And many of the things that we seem or claim to know in our external reality are really our relation to it is separate in the sense of I have an icon or an image or a projection of you inside of myself. And so it is interesting that consciousness is the one thing not publicly observable. And on the flip side, the one thing that we have direct access to.

And many of the things that we seem or claim to know in our external reality are really our relation to it is separate in the sense of I have an icon or an image or a projection of you inside of myself. And so it is interesting that consciousness is the one thing not publicly observable. And on the flip side, the one thing that we have direct access to.

When you think about great thinkers of the past from Descartes to Newton to Galileo and how a lot of the fundamental positioning of understanding reality was reducing it to a set of mechanisms, where do you think we fundamentally went wrong?

When you think about great thinkers of the past from Descartes to Newton to Galileo and how a lot of the fundamental positioning of understanding reality was reducing it to a set of mechanisms, where do you think we fundamentally went wrong?

When you think about great thinkers of the past from Descartes to Newton to Galileo and how a lot of the fundamental positioning of understanding reality was reducing it to a set of mechanisms, where do you think we fundamentally went wrong?

It certainly feels that way in deepening in different contemplative practices, which I'm excited to get your opinion on. But I would love for you to address the issue of the combination problem or how we think about how if matter arises from mind as opposed to mind arising from matter, which is the

It certainly feels that way in deepening in different contemplative practices, which I'm excited to get your opinion on. But I would love for you to address the issue of the combination problem or how we think about how if matter arises from mind as opposed to mind arising from matter, which is the

It certainly feels that way in deepening in different contemplative practices, which I'm excited to get your opinion on. But I would love for you to address the issue of the combination problem or how we think about how if matter arises from mind as opposed to mind arising from matter, which is the

kind of pervasive materialistic view that consciousness and humans at the very least is spawned from varieties of unconscious complexities building. And we turn that knob enough and we have a subjective experience called us and we can get into the hard problem of why that could even be. But if mind and consciousness is the fundamental substrate of reality,

kind of pervasive materialistic view that consciousness and humans at the very least is spawned from varieties of unconscious complexities building. And we turn that knob enough and we have a subjective experience called us and we can get into the hard problem of why that could even be. But if mind and consciousness is the fundamental substrate of reality,

kind of pervasive materialistic view that consciousness and humans at the very least is spawned from varieties of unconscious complexities building. And we turn that knob enough and we have a subjective experience called us and we can get into the hard problem of why that could even be. But if mind and consciousness is the fundamental substrate of reality,

And as you say, a very, very simple form of consciousness could be present in a quark. How would that translate and scale from that experience to the rich inner life of a human being?

And as you say, a very, very simple form of consciousness could be present in a quark. How would that translate and scale from that experience to the rich inner life of a human being?

And as you say, a very, very simple form of consciousness could be present in a quark. How would that translate and scale from that experience to the rich inner life of a human being?

I do wonder what the inherent limitations of one such area of exploration are. If consciousness is what gives rise to mathematics, can we use mathematics to ever explain consciousness? Can we understand the totality from the limits of a part, in a sense? It's kind of like the chicken or the egg. In a sense, if consciousness is fundamental,

I do wonder what the inherent limitations of one such area of exploration are. If consciousness is what gives rise to mathematics, can we use mathematics to ever explain consciousness? Can we understand the totality from the limits of a part, in a sense? It's kind of like the chicken or the egg. In a sense, if consciousness is fundamental,

I do wonder what the inherent limitations of one such area of exploration are. If consciousness is what gives rise to mathematics, can we use mathematics to ever explain consciousness? Can we understand the totality from the limits of a part, in a sense? It's kind of like the chicken or the egg. In a sense, if consciousness is fundamental,

then would it not give rise to mathematics and therefore could not be perhaps explained by it? Say that last sentence again. Like if consciousness gave rise to mathematics, then mathematics and theory would not be able to explain it perhaps.

then would it not give rise to mathematics and therefore could not be perhaps explained by it? Say that last sentence again. Like if consciousness gave rise to mathematics, then mathematics and theory would not be able to explain it perhaps.

then would it not give rise to mathematics and therefore could not be perhaps explained by it? Say that last sentence again. Like if consciousness gave rise to mathematics, then mathematics and theory would not be able to explain it perhaps.

Yeah, it does deliver the goods in many ways. And as you shared, explains in many ways how the universe works, but doesn't quite crack what the universe is and why the universe is the way it is. And consciousness starts to crack the door into those explorations, I think, deeper. It does seem almost anti-intuitive as so much of deeper truths are paradoxical.

Yeah, it does deliver the goods in many ways. And as you shared, explains in many ways how the universe works, but doesn't quite crack what the universe is and why the universe is the way it is. And consciousness starts to crack the door into those explorations, I think, deeper. It does seem almost anti-intuitive as so much of deeper truths are paradoxical.

Yeah, it does deliver the goods in many ways. And as you shared, explains in many ways how the universe works, but doesn't quite crack what the universe is and why the universe is the way it is. And consciousness starts to crack the door into those explorations, I think, deeper. It does seem almost anti-intuitive as so much of deeper truths are paradoxical.

I can tinker with your brain and your conscious experience radically changes. And so it seems pretty obvious that our consciousness is intimately linked with our brain. And it would be fair to assume for, you know, in our recent understandings of consciousness that it seems like our brain gives rise to consciousness.

I can tinker with your brain and your conscious experience radically changes. And so it seems pretty obvious that our consciousness is intimately linked with our brain. And it would be fair to assume for, you know, in our recent understandings of consciousness that it seems like our brain gives rise to consciousness.

I can tinker with your brain and your conscious experience radically changes. And so it seems pretty obvious that our consciousness is intimately linked with our brain. And it would be fair to assume for, you know, in our recent understandings of consciousness that it seems like our brain gives rise to consciousness.

If consciousness is fundamental, how do you kind of wrestle with that clear sort of dilemma? Good. Yeah.

If consciousness is fundamental, how do you kind of wrestle with that clear sort of dilemma? Good. Yeah.

If consciousness is fundamental, how do you kind of wrestle with that clear sort of dilemma? Good. Yeah.

How would you articulate why the hard problem is called hard as opposed to in physics and math and understanding the material universe, there are problems that we can just work out by essentially doing the math and the arising of consciousness seems particularly hard because I feel like we just can't fully understand why a subjective experience would arise out of matter, you know?

How would you articulate why the hard problem is called hard as opposed to in physics and math and understanding the material universe, there are problems that we can just work out by essentially doing the math and the arising of consciousness seems particularly hard because I feel like we just can't fully understand why a subjective experience would arise out of matter, you know?

How would you articulate why the hard problem is called hard as opposed to in physics and math and understanding the material universe, there are problems that we can just work out by essentially doing the math and the arising of consciousness seems particularly hard because I feel like we just can't fully understand why a subjective experience would arise out of matter, you know?

So how would you articulate it?

So how would you articulate it?

So how would you articulate it?

So many Eastern wisdom traditions, religious perspectives, they agree unanimously around, for the most part, around this nature of consciousness being a more fundamental aspect of reality. If that's true, if we actually came to experience that as true, if we believe that should be true, how would that change how we lived? If we zoom out, what would that actually change?

So many Eastern wisdom traditions, religious perspectives, they agree unanimously around, for the most part, around this nature of consciousness being a more fundamental aspect of reality. If that's true, if we actually came to experience that as true, if we believe that should be true, how would that change how we lived? If we zoom out, what would that actually change?

So many Eastern wisdom traditions, religious perspectives, they agree unanimously around, for the most part, around this nature of consciousness being a more fundamental aspect of reality. If that's true, if we actually came to experience that as true, if we believe that should be true, how would that change how we lived? If we zoom out, what would that actually change?

Even from a mechanistic view, the trees are very much so the lungs of the planet. We don't exist without them. How would that change how you would perceive consciousness in a rock versus scaling that sentience through plant and animal life, how we relate to it? Yeah.

Even from a mechanistic view, the trees are very much so the lungs of the planet. We don't exist without them. How would that change how you would perceive consciousness in a rock versus scaling that sentience through plant and animal life, how we relate to it? Yeah.

Even from a mechanistic view, the trees are very much so the lungs of the planet. We don't exist without them. How would that change how you would perceive consciousness in a rock versus scaling that sentience through plant and animal life, how we relate to it? Yeah.

There's just so much incredible limitation if we try to project what our human conscious experience is like onto

There's just so much incredible limitation if we try to project what our human conscious experience is like onto

There's just so much incredible limitation if we try to project what our human conscious experience is like onto

other life forms inanimate objects like we kind of just have our own reference point um and so even when you're reflecting to what annika harris's possible perspective um what uh is or other thinkers on on the topic of what the conscious experience of if there is one in a chair in a rock

other life forms inanimate objects like we kind of just have our own reference point um and so even when you're reflecting to what annika harris's possible perspective um what uh is or other thinkers on on the topic of what the conscious experience of if there is one in a chair in a rock

other life forms inanimate objects like we kind of just have our own reference point um and so even when you're reflecting to what annika harris's possible perspective um what uh is or other thinkers on on the topic of what the conscious experience of if there is one in a chair in a rock

I think we project ourselves down into like, oh, I'm just like this little rock having this experience of just being stuck here next to this pond. But it's very limiting in thinking about what conscious experience is like if it's a more rudimentary level of a sort of type of subjective experience of oneself.

I think we project ourselves down into like, oh, I'm just like this little rock having this experience of just being stuck here next to this pond. But it's very limiting in thinking about what conscious experience is like if it's a more rudimentary level of a sort of type of subjective experience of oneself.

I think we project ourselves down into like, oh, I'm just like this little rock having this experience of just being stuck here next to this pond. But it's very limiting in thinking about what conscious experience is like if it's a more rudimentary level of a sort of type of subjective experience of oneself.

And if that is the case, it kind of begs the question if there is a sort of ethical structure to reality, which I'm curious to get your thoughts on as we sort of take this, the steering wheel of this conversation into the more, you know, existential areas of exploration.

And if that is the case, it kind of begs the question if there is a sort of ethical structure to reality, which I'm curious to get your thoughts on as we sort of take this, the steering wheel of this conversation into the more, you know, existential areas of exploration.

And if that is the case, it kind of begs the question if there is a sort of ethical structure to reality, which I'm curious to get your thoughts on as we sort of take this, the steering wheel of this conversation into the more, you know, existential areas of exploration.

And can we set the context for everybody? Because I think it's so hard to wrap our head around how improbable these numbers are, like the cosmological constants. So what are your favorite couple examples of how the universe is finely tuned?

And can we set the context for everybody? Because I think it's so hard to wrap our head around how improbable these numbers are, like the cosmological constants. So what are your favorite couple examples of how the universe is finely tuned?

And can we set the context for everybody? Because I think it's so hard to wrap our head around how improbable these numbers are, like the cosmological constants. So what are your favorite couple examples of how the universe is finely tuned?

So, yeah, in regards to that cosmological constant... in your book you mentioned an example or you know we'll put the number up on screen for people to see how incredibly small it is it's no point no no no no no no no no no no you'd be doing that for a while right it's like as you mentioned uh rolling a die 70 times in it rolling six yeah 70 times in a row um

So, yeah, in regards to that cosmological constant... in your book you mentioned an example or you know we'll put the number up on screen for people to see how incredibly small it is it's no point no no no no no no no no no no you'd be doing that for a while right it's like as you mentioned uh rolling a die 70 times in it rolling six yeah 70 times in a row um

So, yeah, in regards to that cosmological constant... in your book you mentioned an example or you know we'll put the number up on screen for people to see how incredibly small it is it's no point no no no no no no no no no no you'd be doing that for a while right it's like as you mentioned uh rolling a die 70 times in it rolling six yeah 70 times in a row um

Chat GPT told me yesterday that it would be like throwing a dart into the universe and hitting bullseye the size of an atom.

Chat GPT told me yesterday that it would be like throwing a dart into the universe and hitting bullseye the size of an atom.

Chat GPT told me yesterday that it would be like throwing a dart into the universe and hitting bullseye the size of an atom.

So how do you then make sense of it? Because like you said, from one camp, it just looks incredibly unlikely and improbable. But from another perspective, it was a necessity and inevitable perhaps that for consciousness and structure in the cosmos to emerge, it had to be this way. I think that a lot of...

So how do you then make sense of it? Because like you said, from one camp, it just looks incredibly unlikely and improbable. But from another perspective, it was a necessity and inevitable perhaps that for consciousness and structure in the cosmos to emerge, it had to be this way. I think that a lot of...

So how do you then make sense of it? Because like you said, from one camp, it just looks incredibly unlikely and improbable. But from another perspective, it was a necessity and inevitable perhaps that for consciousness and structure in the cosmos to emerge, it had to be this way. I think that a lot of...

I think in that exploration, it's fascinating to just see how fundamentally limited we are as human beings using our sense perceptions to understand reality, yet they are, in a sense, our only direct access to reality. Aldous Huxley and his book, Doors of Perception, and many philosophers and thinkers throughout time have viewed the brain as a reduction valve for consciousness.

I think in that exploration, it's fascinating to just see how fundamentally limited we are as human beings using our sense perceptions to understand reality, yet they are, in a sense, our only direct access to reality. Aldous Huxley and his book, Doors of Perception, and many philosophers and thinkers throughout time have viewed the brain as a reduction valve for consciousness.

I think in that exploration, it's fascinating to just see how fundamentally limited we are as human beings using our sense perceptions to understand reality, yet they are, in a sense, our only direct access to reality. Aldous Huxley and his book, Doors of Perception, and many philosophers and thinkers throughout time have viewed the brain as a reduction valve for consciousness.

you know people who follow monotheistic face really like to uh harp on this example because understandably so it seems against improbable odds it just makes sense oh somebody created it this way but then again that just begs the question and pushes it one step further okay well who created that god right um and so how do you make sense um and how does this sit with your view of the cosmos

you know people who follow monotheistic face really like to uh harp on this example because understandably so it seems against improbable odds it just makes sense oh somebody created it this way but then again that just begs the question and pushes it one step further okay well who created that god right um and so how do you make sense um and how does this sit with your view of the cosmos

you know people who follow monotheistic face really like to uh harp on this example because understandably so it seems against improbable odds it just makes sense oh somebody created it this way but then again that just begs the question and pushes it one step further okay well who created that god right um and so how do you make sense um and how does this sit with your view of the cosmos

As you say, either Team Darwin or Team Pope. Yeah. Which, by the way, rest in peace.

As you say, either Team Darwin or Team Pope. Yeah. Which, by the way, rest in peace.

As you say, either Team Darwin or Team Pope. Yeah. Which, by the way, rest in peace.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thinking from the perspective that life is positioned uniquely in a way for the emergence of consciousness and complexity of life in a way.

Thinking from the perspective that life is positioned uniquely in a way for the emergence of consciousness and complexity of life in a way.

Thinking from the perspective that life is positioned uniquely in a way for the emergence of consciousness and complexity of life in a way.

And we know through studies through neuroscience and perception mechanisms, how we have millions of bits of information accessible to us in any given moment. And yet what we are consciously aware of is a small, small fraction of that. And so in a sense, we really are getting a reduction of the possible inputs of stimulus around us.

And we know through studies through neuroscience and perception mechanisms, how we have millions of bits of information accessible to us in any given moment. And yet what we are consciously aware of is a small, small fraction of that. And so in a sense, we really are getting a reduction of the possible inputs of stimulus around us.

And we know through studies through neuroscience and perception mechanisms, how we have millions of bits of information accessible to us in any given moment. And yet what we are consciously aware of is a small, small fraction of that. And so in a sense, we really are getting a reduction of the possible inputs of stimulus around us.

universal desire, in a sense, to whatever's going to create more value in the world. Is that right?

universal desire, in a sense, to whatever's going to create more value in the world. Is that right?

universal desire, in a sense, to whatever's going to create more value in the world. Is that right?

Have you rustled with this on your journey of... the thought of if there's intrinsic value in the universe versus the nihilistic view of reality. And I'm just curious in your own personal process of coming to terms with it all.

Have you rustled with this on your journey of... the thought of if there's intrinsic value in the universe versus the nihilistic view of reality. And I'm just curious in your own personal process of coming to terms with it all.

Have you rustled with this on your journey of... the thought of if there's intrinsic value in the universe versus the nihilistic view of reality. And I'm just curious in your own personal process of coming to terms with it all.

And so we're kind of like looking through this, peeping through this little straw at reality, trying to understand it. What do you think about the limits of our sense perception when viewing reality from that kind of worldview of a mechanistic worldview, which, you know, not to put any shame on, has bared many fruits. But again, it's gone wrong in our understanding of consciousness and who we are.

And so we're kind of like looking through this, peeping through this little straw at reality, trying to understand it. What do you think about the limits of our sense perception when viewing reality from that kind of worldview of a mechanistic worldview, which, you know, not to put any shame on, has bared many fruits. But again, it's gone wrong in our understanding of consciousness and who we are.

And so we're kind of like looking through this, peeping through this little straw at reality, trying to understand it. What do you think about the limits of our sense perception when viewing reality from that kind of worldview of a mechanistic worldview, which, you know, not to put any shame on, has bared many fruits. But again, it's gone wrong in our understanding of consciousness and who we are.

Yeah, certainly through the view of Advaita, Vedanta, which you mentioned earlier, What I have come to really love about that understanding is there is a validity one can come to experientially within oneself. It doesn't require any concept belief systems or imagination of certain gods. The thought that everything is conscious and that we are connected to the ever-present conscious field

Yeah, certainly through the view of Advaita, Vedanta, which you mentioned earlier, What I have come to really love about that understanding is there is a validity one can come to experientially within oneself. It doesn't require any concept belief systems or imagination of certain gods. The thought that everything is conscious and that we are connected to the ever-present conscious field

Yeah, certainly through the view of Advaita, Vedanta, which you mentioned earlier, What I have come to really love about that understanding is there is a validity one can come to experientially within oneself. It doesn't require any concept belief systems or imagination of certain gods. The thought that everything is conscious and that we are connected to the ever-present conscious field

is a directly immediately verifiable experience within one's own being and to me that opens up so many doors about what we're talking about earlier about our connection to all life um how we could perhaps view this experience that philip and andre and everybody who's listening is having and

is a directly immediately verifiable experience within one's own being and to me that opens up so many doors about what we're talking about earlier about our connection to all life um how we could perhaps view this experience that philip and andre and everybody who's listening is having and

is a directly immediately verifiable experience within one's own being and to me that opens up so many doors about what we're talking about earlier about our connection to all life um how we could perhaps view this experience that philip and andre and everybody who's listening is having and

our childhood pets to the trees outside are all a part of this conscious field having a differentiated experience of the one field in which it originates. And from that perspective, the veil of forgetfulness and illusion of separation serves for the purpose of on one perspective, the joy of remembering that we're one again, of coming to that realization.

our childhood pets to the trees outside are all a part of this conscious field having a differentiated experience of the one field in which it originates. And from that perspective, the veil of forgetfulness and illusion of separation serves for the purpose of on one perspective, the joy of remembering that we're one again, of coming to that realization.

our childhood pets to the trees outside are all a part of this conscious field having a differentiated experience of the one field in which it originates. And from that perspective, the veil of forgetfulness and illusion of separation serves for the purpose of on one perspective, the joy of remembering that we're one again, of coming to that realization.

But also, it is our uniqueness, like our own individual uniqueness across the board that permeates, pervades throughout the universe, is all these variations in the expression of the one consciousness. And I'm curious what you think about that, because to me, it makes a whole lot of sense.

But also, it is our uniqueness, like our own individual uniqueness across the board that permeates, pervades throughout the universe, is all these variations in the expression of the one consciousness. And I'm curious what you think about that, because to me, it makes a whole lot of sense.

But also, it is our uniqueness, like our own individual uniqueness across the board that permeates, pervades throughout the universe, is all these variations in the expression of the one consciousness. And I'm curious what you think about that, because to me, it makes a whole lot of sense.

And I will say, not to cut you off, but I think for a lot of people that maybe do think that, there is a sort of valid reason in the Abrahamic faiths where it's called...

And I will say, not to cut you off, but I think for a lot of people that maybe do think that, there is a sort of valid reason in the Abrahamic faiths where it's called...

And I will say, not to cut you off, but I think for a lot of people that maybe do think that, there is a sort of valid reason in the Abrahamic faiths where it's called...

organized religion for a reason and where a lot of people, and certainly not everybody, like everybody has their own unique relationship to Christ, for example, but it can get in the aspect of the organized churchianity where it's,

organized religion for a reason and where a lot of people, and certainly not everybody, like everybody has their own unique relationship to Christ, for example, but it can get in the aspect of the organized churchianity where it's,

organized religion for a reason and where a lot of people, and certainly not everybody, like everybody has their own unique relationship to Christ, for example, but it can get in the aspect of the organized churchianity where it's,

you know, there is this monotheistic, I suppose, creator where the admittance of your acceptance of Jesus is sort of your ticket into the afterlife and there isn't sort of the living in alignment with the actions of Christ in a sense. Not to be judgmental of it, but just as an observation.

you know, there is this monotheistic, I suppose, creator where the admittance of your acceptance of Jesus is sort of your ticket into the afterlife and there isn't sort of the living in alignment with the actions of Christ in a sense. Not to be judgmental of it, but just as an observation.

you know, there is this monotheistic, I suppose, creator where the admittance of your acceptance of Jesus is sort of your ticket into the afterlife and there isn't sort of the living in alignment with the actions of Christ in a sense. Not to be judgmental of it, but just as an observation.

Yeah, I'm very fascinated at a lot of these Gnostic mystical originations of religions and various gospels that were perhaps submitted from, you know, the canonical Bible. We do kind of have this presumption that there is life is a riddle. It is a problem to be solved as opposed to that quote. Yeah. you know, a reality to be experienced.

Yeah, I'm very fascinated at a lot of these Gnostic mystical originations of religions and various gospels that were perhaps submitted from, you know, the canonical Bible. We do kind of have this presumption that there is life is a riddle. It is a problem to be solved as opposed to that quote. Yeah. you know, a reality to be experienced.

Yeah, I'm very fascinated at a lot of these Gnostic mystical originations of religions and various gospels that were perhaps submitted from, you know, the canonical Bible. We do kind of have this presumption that there is life is a riddle. It is a problem to be solved as opposed to that quote. Yeah. you know, a reality to be experienced.

And I don't see how there could be anything arguable about that statement of absolute reality is the ultimate reality.

And I don't see how there could be anything arguable about that statement of absolute reality is the ultimate reality.

And I don't see how there could be anything arguable about that statement of absolute reality is the ultimate reality.

But it invites this perspective of perhaps we're not meant to, like, meaning of life isn't to be discovered other than the fact that we are the meaning that is life. You know, like we give the universe meaning by our existence. And so from that perspective, it's like, The purpose of a dance is the dance. The purpose of singing, you know, this expression is the expression in and of itself.

But it invites this perspective of perhaps we're not meant to, like, meaning of life isn't to be discovered other than the fact that we are the meaning that is life. You know, like we give the universe meaning by our existence. And so from that perspective, it's like, The purpose of a dance is the dance. The purpose of singing, you know, this expression is the expression in and of itself.

But it invites this perspective of perhaps we're not meant to, like, meaning of life isn't to be discovered other than the fact that we are the meaning that is life. You know, like we give the universe meaning by our existence. And so from that perspective, it's like, The purpose of a dance is the dance. The purpose of singing, you know, this expression is the expression in and of itself.

And I just think of like the existential angst that many of us maybe perhaps feel in life of like, what is the purpose? What is my purpose? What is the meaning of life? These questions always arrive first. usually out of a state of inner turmoil, of a state of consciousness that is lacking, that is perhaps fearful, that is not joyful.

And I just think of like the existential angst that many of us maybe perhaps feel in life of like, what is the purpose? What is my purpose? What is the meaning of life? These questions always arrive first. usually out of a state of inner turmoil, of a state of consciousness that is lacking, that is perhaps fearful, that is not joyful.

And I just think of like the existential angst that many of us maybe perhaps feel in life of like, what is the purpose? What is my purpose? What is the meaning of life? These questions always arrive first. usually out of a state of inner turmoil, of a state of consciousness that is lacking, that is perhaps fearful, that is not joyful.

Like when we're in joy, the question of the meaning of life usually doesn't arise. It's because we're living it in a sense.

Like when we're in joy, the question of the meaning of life usually doesn't arise. It's because we're living it in a sense.

Like when we're in joy, the question of the meaning of life usually doesn't arise. It's because we're living it in a sense.

Could you share what is it that you believe, I suppose? Or what do you mean when you say you're like a heretical Christian? What does that... I guess, where does that place you? You sort of elucidated how it changes your actions and living in alignment with sort of the rituals and seasons of life and connection to a lot of these things. But what does that mean?

Could you share what is it that you believe, I suppose? Or what do you mean when you say you're like a heretical Christian? What does that... I guess, where does that place you? You sort of elucidated how it changes your actions and living in alignment with sort of the rituals and seasons of life and connection to a lot of these things. But what does that mean?

Could you share what is it that you believe, I suppose? Or what do you mean when you say you're like a heretical Christian? What does that... I guess, where does that place you? You sort of elucidated how it changes your actions and living in alignment with sort of the rituals and seasons of life and connection to a lot of these things. But what does that mean?

Do you think Jesus was the Son of God? Do you think that's even ontologically possible for one person to be God?

Do you think Jesus was the Son of God? Do you think that's even ontologically possible for one person to be God?

Do you think Jesus was the Son of God? Do you think that's even ontologically possible for one person to be God?

Yeah, I'm trying to clarify. It seems like you've found an avenue that gives you a deeper trust and connection with life. But I guess I'm still a little confused as to... what's the Christian bit in terms of beliefs or the label or the identification with it? How does that come into the picture for you?

Yeah, I'm trying to clarify. It seems like you've found an avenue that gives you a deeper trust and connection with life. But I guess I'm still a little confused as to... what's the Christian bit in terms of beliefs or the label or the identification with it? How does that come into the picture for you?

Yeah, I'm trying to clarify. It seems like you've found an avenue that gives you a deeper trust and connection with life. But I guess I'm still a little confused as to... what's the Christian bit in terms of beliefs or the label or the identification with it? How does that come into the picture for you?

think you seem quite agnostic in your approach to a lot of these explorations i mean unquestionably there was something unique about jesus that time period um the most influential individual to ever have existed whether or not you place some sort of ontological uniqueness or specialness there or just him as a being i don't know how you really even differentiate it um i suppose

think you seem quite agnostic in your approach to a lot of these explorations i mean unquestionably there was something unique about jesus that time period um the most influential individual to ever have existed whether or not you place some sort of ontological uniqueness or specialness there or just him as a being i don't know how you really even differentiate it um i suppose

think you seem quite agnostic in your approach to a lot of these explorations i mean unquestionably there was something unique about jesus that time period um the most influential individual to ever have existed whether or not you place some sort of ontological uniqueness or specialness there or just him as a being i don't know how you really even differentiate it um i suppose

The resurrection seems to be quite an important bit in terms of if it's a literal, if you truly believe that, or if you feel it was visionary. The virgin birth being another one.

The resurrection seems to be quite an important bit in terms of if it's a literal, if you truly believe that, or if you feel it was visionary. The virgin birth being another one.

The resurrection seems to be quite an important bit in terms of if it's a literal, if you truly believe that, or if you feel it was visionary. The virgin birth being another one.

So this is, you get why it's a little bit confusing because I understand, it sounds like you just believe Jesus was a powerful individual, but he was also like sort of God, but also like didn't do all the God kind of things that people denote him with doing. Yeah. Does that make sense?

So this is, you get why it's a little bit confusing because I understand, it sounds like you just believe Jesus was a powerful individual, but he was also like sort of God, but also like didn't do all the God kind of things that people denote him with doing. Yeah. Does that make sense?

So this is, you get why it's a little bit confusing because I understand, it sounds like you just believe Jesus was a powerful individual, but he was also like sort of God, but also like didn't do all the God kind of things that people denote him with doing. Yeah. Does that make sense?

I think we do lose a lot, obviously, of the poetic existential impactfulness in our desire for literal translation of certain events historically. And it sounds like in your exploration of the mystical traditions, you know, whether it's through Sufi, Kabbalah, or, you know, deeper research into the Gnostic faith and the Essenes.

I think we do lose a lot, obviously, of the poetic existential impactfulness in our desire for literal translation of certain events historically. And it sounds like in your exploration of the mystical traditions, you know, whether it's through Sufi, Kabbalah, or, you know, deeper research into the Gnostic faith and the Essenes.

I think we do lose a lot, obviously, of the poetic existential impactfulness in our desire for literal translation of certain events historically. And it sounds like in your exploration of the mystical traditions, you know, whether it's through Sufi, Kabbalah, or, you know, deeper research into the Gnostic faith and the Essenes.

If we were just to pull one, I suppose, value or learning from the mystical side of faith from your studies that has most impacted your way of being, I'm curious if you want to share one.

If we were just to pull one, I suppose, value or learning from the mystical side of faith from your studies that has most impacted your way of being, I'm curious if you want to share one.

If we were just to pull one, I suppose, value or learning from the mystical side of faith from your studies that has most impacted your way of being, I'm curious if you want to share one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You only live once. From the Advaita perspective, there is that saying, the world is illusion, Brahman alone is real, the world is Brahman. With that perspective that the illusion of separation is still part of the totality of all that is.

You only live once. From the Advaita perspective, there is that saying, the world is illusion, Brahman alone is real, the world is Brahman. With that perspective that the illusion of separation is still part of the totality of all that is.

You only live once. From the Advaita perspective, there is that saying, the world is illusion, Brahman alone is real, the world is Brahman. With that perspective that the illusion of separation is still part of the totality of all that is.

i think it does bring us back to the origination of the exploration between panpsychism and value and ethic inherent within life um really so much of this can get over complicated quite quickly when the reality is a lot of us just sense for a deeper sense of connection within all life you know there is

i think it does bring us back to the origination of the exploration between panpsychism and value and ethic inherent within life um really so much of this can get over complicated quite quickly when the reality is a lot of us just sense for a deeper sense of connection within all life you know there is

i think it does bring us back to the origination of the exploration between panpsychism and value and ethic inherent within life um really so much of this can get over complicated quite quickly when the reality is a lot of us just sense for a deeper sense of connection within all life you know there is

this felt sense that perhaps because at the most fundamental level we are one with everything, that to the degree we are disconnected from that experience, we feel a sense of lack in our life. And these mystical traditions, these practices, these teachings point to our inherent interconnectedness with life. And from that perspective, we're never alone. And so it, I think, positions us nicely

this felt sense that perhaps because at the most fundamental level we are one with everything, that to the degree we are disconnected from that experience, we feel a sense of lack in our life. And these mystical traditions, these practices, these teachings point to our inherent interconnectedness with life. And from that perspective, we're never alone. And so it, I think, positions us nicely

this felt sense that perhaps because at the most fundamental level we are one with everything, that to the degree we are disconnected from that experience, we feel a sense of lack in our life. And these mystical traditions, these practices, these teachings point to our inherent interconnectedness with life. And from that perspective, we're never alone. And so it, I think, positions us nicely

to understand a potential purpose for the reason of the existence of the universe and ourselves.

to understand a potential purpose for the reason of the existence of the universe and ourselves.

to understand a potential purpose for the reason of the existence of the universe and ourselves.

yeah there is this actually this great quote from moritz schlick from he's the founder of the vienna circle in the early 90s he said that physics has ascended to summits hitherto visible only to philosophers whose gaze has however not always been free from metaphysical haziness very interesting quote in the way that it's phrased. I love it.

yeah there is this actually this great quote from moritz schlick from he's the founder of the vienna circle in the early 90s he said that physics has ascended to summits hitherto visible only to philosophers whose gaze has however not always been free from metaphysical haziness very interesting quote in the way that it's phrased. I love it.

yeah there is this actually this great quote from moritz schlick from he's the founder of the vienna circle in the early 90s he said that physics has ascended to summits hitherto visible only to philosophers whose gaze has however not always been free from metaphysical haziness very interesting quote in the way that it's phrased. I love it.

i'm curious because as for example areas in quantum mechanics and ways of understanding the world through the lens of physics develop uh we start to see crossover again through a lot of what we're exploring and the fundamental And so I, you know, seems like a jump here, but maybe it's not quite as big as we think.

i'm curious because as for example areas in quantum mechanics and ways of understanding the world through the lens of physics develop uh we start to see crossover again through a lot of what we're exploring and the fundamental And so I, you know, seems like a jump here, but maybe it's not quite as big as we think.

i'm curious because as for example areas in quantum mechanics and ways of understanding the world through the lens of physics develop uh we start to see crossover again through a lot of what we're exploring and the fundamental And so I, you know, seems like a jump here, but maybe it's not quite as big as we think.

From quantum mechanics and your exploration in the many worlds theory, because we mentioned and hinted at it earlier, what is going on there that has... You seem to be very courageous in your diversion and exploration and unique perspectives and interpretations on things, which I absolutely love. And what is that for The Many Worlds Theory?

From quantum mechanics and your exploration in the many worlds theory, because we mentioned and hinted at it earlier, what is going on there that has... You seem to be very courageous in your diversion and exploration and unique perspectives and interpretations on things, which I absolutely love. And what is that for The Many Worlds Theory?

From quantum mechanics and your exploration in the many worlds theory, because we mentioned and hinted at it earlier, what is going on there that has... You seem to be very courageous in your diversion and exploration and unique perspectives and interpretations on things, which I absolutely love. And what is that for The Many Worlds Theory?

It's like we should all understand that we don't understand it. Yeah.

It's like we should all understand that we don't understand it. Yeah.

It's like we should all understand that we don't understand it. Yeah.

Philip Goff, thanks for being here.

Philip Goff, thanks for being here.

Philip Goff, thanks for being here.

It talks in points to how our capacity for exploring physics has gone to realms that only used to be accessible to philosophers, right? And so, yeah, I just look at all the different ways in which we have our ability to probe reality, to understand it deeper. Before we fully move on from that last point,

It talks in points to how our capacity for exploring physics has gone to realms that only used to be accessible to philosophers, right? And so, yeah, I just look at all the different ways in which we have our ability to probe reality, to understand it deeper. Before we fully move on from that last point,

It talks in points to how our capacity for exploring physics has gone to realms that only used to be accessible to philosophers, right? And so, yeah, I just look at all the different ways in which we have our ability to probe reality, to understand it deeper. Before we fully move on from that last point,

I loved, you know, in my couple conversations with Don Hoffman, who, you know, you're friends with and have been in discussion with, his understanding of how fitness beats truth and how our sensory systems have been shaped to maximize survival, but not to actually see reality as it is.

I loved, you know, in my couple conversations with Don Hoffman, who, you know, you're friends with and have been in discussion with, his understanding of how fitness beats truth and how our sensory systems have been shaped to maximize survival, but not to actually see reality as it is.

I loved, you know, in my couple conversations with Don Hoffman, who, you know, you're friends with and have been in discussion with, his understanding of how fitness beats truth and how our sensory systems have been shaped to maximize survival, but not to actually see reality as it is.

Is the many worlds theory explaining that essentially these branches of different timelines are happening simultaneously? And how would that, I guess, be nested in something like a multiverse of infinite possibilities? Because it's quite trippy to think about. I mean, the many worlds theory in general is just quite trippy to think about, but how do you kind of put that into context?

Is the many worlds theory explaining that essentially these branches of different timelines are happening simultaneously? And how would that, I guess, be nested in something like a multiverse of infinite possibilities? Because it's quite trippy to think about. I mean, the many worlds theory in general is just quite trippy to think about, but how do you kind of put that into context?

Is the many worlds theory explaining that essentially these branches of different timelines are happening simultaneously? And how would that, I guess, be nested in something like a multiverse of infinite possibilities? Because it's quite trippy to think about. I mean, the many worlds theory in general is just quite trippy to think about, but how do you kind of put that into context?

Maybe there are different takes on that. I mean, in essence, if there are a very high number or an infinite amount of different choices one can make in any given moment, then through this perspective, there are that equal amount as many different branches.

Maybe there are different takes on that. I mean, in essence, if there are a very high number or an infinite amount of different choices one can make in any given moment, then through this perspective, there are that equal amount as many different branches.

Maybe there are different takes on that. I mean, in essence, if there are a very high number or an infinite amount of different choices one can make in any given moment, then through this perspective, there are that equal amount as many different branches.

And I'm curious, as somebody who really thinks and is so philosophically minded about understanding reality, and I see your earnest desire to do so, how do you think our sensory systems misguide our intuitions about the true nature of reality?

And I'm curious, as somebody who really thinks and is so philosophically minded about understanding reality, and I see your earnest desire to do so, how do you think our sensory systems misguide our intuitions about the true nature of reality?

And I'm curious, as somebody who really thinks and is so philosophically minded about understanding reality, and I see your earnest desire to do so, how do you think our sensory systems misguide our intuitions about the true nature of reality?

Does this not at all go at odds with what we were exploring earlier about these teleological laws? Like if everything's happening all at once in a sense, what's the purpose of any other direction going above another if it's all going to happen anyways? Yeah.

Does this not at all go at odds with what we were exploring earlier about these teleological laws? Like if everything's happening all at once in a sense, what's the purpose of any other direction going above another if it's all going to happen anyways? Yeah.

Does this not at all go at odds with what we were exploring earlier about these teleological laws? Like if everything's happening all at once in a sense, what's the purpose of any other direction going above another if it's all going to happen anyways? Yeah.

I think I'll leave it to someone else.

I think I'll leave it to someone else.

I think I'll leave it to someone else.

Yeah, thanks for coming all the way from where you were. And I have been very much so looking forward to this conversation because I am very much so keenly passionate about the intersection of philosophy physics, existential meanings in life, and certainly consciousness.

Yeah, thanks for coming all the way from where you were. And I have been very much so looking forward to this conversation because I am very much so keenly passionate about the intersection of philosophy physics, existential meanings in life, and certainly consciousness.

Yeah, thanks for coming all the way from where you were. And I have been very much so looking forward to this conversation because I am very much so keenly passionate about the intersection of philosophy physics, existential meanings in life, and certainly consciousness.

Also would probably align with local realism being proved false by another Nobel Prize winner recently, yes or no?

Also would probably align with local realism being proved false by another Nobel Prize winner recently, yes or no?

Also would probably align with local realism being proved false by another Nobel Prize winner recently, yes or no?

What do you think?

What do you think?

What do you think?

Not quite. Not quite, but also, I don't know anything, so... No, quantum mechanics, nobody does, right?

Not quite. Not quite, but also, I don't know anything, so... No, quantum mechanics, nobody does, right?

Not quite. Not quite, but also, I don't know anything, so... No, quantum mechanics, nobody does, right?

All right. We've explored a lot today. Yeah. I've done all right with my jet lag, haven't I? You've done amazing. This has been so fun. You make it so easy. Thanks. Yeah, and I have endless fascination about the quantum world and these different theories, and I would love to explore deeper with you another time. When I get the answers, I'll come back.

All right. We've explored a lot today. Yeah. I've done all right with my jet lag, haven't I? You've done amazing. This has been so fun. You make it so easy. Thanks. Yeah, and I have endless fascination about the quantum world and these different theories, and I would love to explore deeper with you another time. When I get the answers, I'll come back.

All right. We've explored a lot today. Yeah. I've done all right with my jet lag, haven't I? You've done amazing. This has been so fun. You make it so easy. Thanks. Yeah, and I have endless fascination about the quantum world and these different theories, and I would love to explore deeper with you another time. When I get the answers, I'll come back.

When you find all the answers to this interesting universe, please come back and you can elucidate them for us. Oh, thank you very much. I'd love to. How do we wrap a ribbon on this conversation? I don't know. We went from the nature of consciousness to the quantum realm to the meaning of life and inherent value to a possible nihilistic universe to Schrodinger's cat to really all over the place.

When you find all the answers to this interesting universe, please come back and you can elucidate them for us. Oh, thank you very much. I'd love to. How do we wrap a ribbon on this conversation? I don't know. We went from the nature of consciousness to the quantum realm to the meaning of life and inherent value to a possible nihilistic universe to Schrodinger's cat to really all over the place.

When you find all the answers to this interesting universe, please come back and you can elucidate them for us. Oh, thank you very much. I'd love to. How do we wrap a ribbon on this conversation? I don't know. We went from the nature of consciousness to the quantum realm to the meaning of life and inherent value to a possible nihilistic universe to Schrodinger's cat to really all over the place.

I think the last area that I'd like to have you share on is just that, because we live in a time where it is very divisive and there is so much self-righteousness attached to our dogmatic beliefs, which a lot of people really assert towards just religious ones, but atheism can become its own dogmatic positioning towards reality as well.

I think the last area that I'd like to have you share on is just that, because we live in a time where it is very divisive and there is so much self-righteousness attached to our dogmatic beliefs, which a lot of people really assert towards just religious ones, but atheism can become its own dogmatic positioning towards reality as well.

I think the last area that I'd like to have you share on is just that, because we live in a time where it is very divisive and there is so much self-righteousness attached to our dogmatic beliefs, which a lot of people really assert towards just religious ones, but atheism can become its own dogmatic positioning towards reality as well.

And this agnostic sort of middle path approach to trying to understand reality as it is, And not throwing out the baby with the bathwater in terms of the importance of these religious practices and understandings, but not having blind faith also. And so how would you just succinctly put this sort of way of approaching to understand reality?

And this agnostic sort of middle path approach to trying to understand reality as it is, And not throwing out the baby with the bathwater in terms of the importance of these religious practices and understandings, but not having blind faith also. And so how would you just succinctly put this sort of way of approaching to understand reality?

And this agnostic sort of middle path approach to trying to understand reality as it is, And not throwing out the baby with the bathwater in terms of the importance of these religious practices and understandings, but not having blind faith also. And so how would you just succinctly put this sort of way of approaching to understand reality?

I think it's a very important necessity for all of us, especially in a time so enchanted with uncertainty. the ever-accelerating access to information to acknowledge our own state of ignorance is like the birthplace of possible knowledge, you know? And I mean, humility, the etymology and root of that is humus, I believe, which literally means earth.

I think it's a very important necessity for all of us, especially in a time so enchanted with uncertainty. the ever-accelerating access to information to acknowledge our own state of ignorance is like the birthplace of possible knowledge, you know? And I mean, humility, the etymology and root of that is humus, I believe, which literally means earth.

I think it's a very important necessity for all of us, especially in a time so enchanted with uncertainty. the ever-accelerating access to information to acknowledge our own state of ignorance is like the birthplace of possible knowledge, you know? And I mean, humility, the etymology and root of that is humus, I believe, which literally means earth.

And so it's like in these philosophical explorations, it can quite... easily, so quickly become very heady and less physical in a sense. And so that balance is necessary. And I think we've hopefully danced, danced, danced to this, maybe a little bit more in the head throughout this conversation. But I love your approach and balance of both.

And so it's like in these philosophical explorations, it can quite... easily, so quickly become very heady and less physical in a sense. And so that balance is necessary. And I think we've hopefully danced, danced, danced to this, maybe a little bit more in the head throughout this conversation. But I love your approach and balance of both.

And so it's like in these philosophical explorations, it can quite... easily, so quickly become very heady and less physical in a sense. And so that balance is necessary. And I think we've hopefully danced, danced, danced to this, maybe a little bit more in the head throughout this conversation. But I love your approach and balance of both.

And I'm excited to see how your own practice evolves and your understanding of life, spirituality and everything. So...

And I'm excited to see how your own practice evolves and your understanding of life, spirituality and everything. So...

And I'm excited to see how your own practice evolves and your understanding of life, spirituality and everything. So...

Your book, Why Galileo's Error, you have upcoming work and we'll leave links for people to be connected with you down below. But do you have any other last thoughts before we start to wrap up?

Your book, Why Galileo's Error, you have upcoming work and we'll leave links for people to be connected with you down below. But do you have any other last thoughts before we start to wrap up?

Your book, Why Galileo's Error, you have upcoming work and we'll leave links for people to be connected with you down below. But do you have any other last thoughts before we start to wrap up?

Yeah, well, I think those personal firsthand experiential practices and connecting to a greater intelligence, whatever futile English word or label we want to place on it, you know, has profound implications on that feeling of connection to more meaning and greater purpose. And yeah, again, thanks so much for your exploration and all this and conversation and to be continued, man. Appreciate you.

Yeah, well, I think those personal firsthand experiential practices and connecting to a greater intelligence, whatever futile English word or label we want to place on it, you know, has profound implications on that feeling of connection to more meaning and greater purpose. And yeah, again, thanks so much for your exploration and all this and conversation and to be continued, man. Appreciate you.

Yeah, well, I think those personal firsthand experiential practices and connecting to a greater intelligence, whatever futile English word or label we want to place on it, you know, has profound implications on that feeling of connection to more meaning and greater purpose. And yeah, again, thanks so much for your exploration and all this and conversation and to be continued, man. Appreciate you.

Hope so. Thanks a lot. Yeah. everybody that's been tuning into this episode of the nearly self podcast i'll see you next week let us know in what ways this episode was uniquely impactful provocative for you and catch you next week

Hope so. Thanks a lot. Yeah. everybody that's been tuning into this episode of the nearly self podcast i'll see you next week let us know in what ways this episode was uniquely impactful provocative for you and catch you next week

Hope so. Thanks a lot. Yeah. everybody that's been tuning into this episode of the nearly self podcast i'll see you next week let us know in what ways this episode was uniquely impactful provocative for you and catch you next week

And so for everybody that's tuning in, this conversation is going to be all the shallow topics that we like to typically explore here in life. And Philip is going to be our joint maestro in helping us explore these topics and points of exploration. Where I would love to start is actually around the topic of your first book, which was Galileo's Error.

And so for everybody that's tuning in, this conversation is going to be all the shallow topics that we like to typically explore here in life. And Philip is going to be our joint maestro in helping us explore these topics and points of exploration. Where I would love to start is actually around the topic of your first book, which was Galileo's Error.

And so for everybody that's tuning in, this conversation is going to be all the shallow topics that we like to typically explore here in life. And Philip is going to be our joint maestro in helping us explore these topics and points of exploration. Where I would love to start is actually around the topic of your first book, which was Galileo's Error.

I'm looking forward to excavating that area more for sure. And your explorations more recently into the quantum world and the many worlds theory and all of that. But before we get too ahead of ourselves,

I'm looking forward to excavating that area more for sure. And your explorations more recently into the quantum world and the many worlds theory and all of that. But before we get too ahead of ourselves,

I'm looking forward to excavating that area more for sure. And your explorations more recently into the quantum world and the many worlds theory and all of that. But before we get too ahead of ourselves,

One of the fundamental, and I think of Kurt Gödel in this time of also the Vienna Circle and his incompleteness theorem and understanding how our initial presumptions and assumptions and any theorem, like there's those inherent limitations, right?

One of the fundamental, and I think of Kurt Gödel in this time of also the Vienna Circle and his incompleteness theorem and understanding how our initial presumptions and assumptions and any theorem, like there's those inherent limitations, right?

One of the fundamental, and I think of Kurt Gödel in this time of also the Vienna Circle and his incompleteness theorem and understanding how our initial presumptions and assumptions and any theorem, like there's those inherent limitations, right?

And so trying to explain reality supposedly through the mechanistic lens excludes, as you've eloquently shared, many different possibilities about the true nature of consciousness. And so you have been one of the most well-known panpsychists and viewers of consciousness from that perspective. And I think it's really important to not just assume everybody understands what that entails.

And so trying to explain reality supposedly through the mechanistic lens excludes, as you've eloquently shared, many different possibilities about the true nature of consciousness. And so you have been one of the most well-known panpsychists and viewers of consciousness from that perspective. And I think it's really important to not just assume everybody understands what that entails.

And so trying to explain reality supposedly through the mechanistic lens excludes, as you've eloquently shared, many different possibilities about the true nature of consciousness. And so you have been one of the most well-known panpsychists and viewers of consciousness from that perspective. And I think it's really important to not just assume everybody understands what that entails.

And so could you share your definition of what panpsychist view is and your view on consciousness?

And so could you share your definition of what panpsychist view is and your view on consciousness?

And so could you share your definition of what panpsychist view is and your view on consciousness?

Well, this is just one point that I've, you know, you know, in your book, Why, and I've talked about a lot how consciousness being the one thing that's not publicly observable. And so we don't fully know what the conscious experience of, for example, a sheep, a dolphin, an octopus is. you know, definitely a mantis shrimp who has 13 variations or cones of colors, right?

Well, this is just one point that I've, you know, you know, in your book, Why, and I've talked about a lot how consciousness being the one thing that's not publicly observable. And so we don't fully know what the conscious experience of, for example, a sheep, a dolphin, an octopus is. you know, definitely a mantis shrimp who has 13 variations or cones of colors, right?

Well, this is just one point that I've, you know, you know, in your book, Why, and I've talked about a lot how consciousness being the one thing that's not publicly observable. And so we don't fully know what the conscious experience of, for example, a sheep, a dolphin, an octopus is. you know, definitely a mantis shrimp who has 13 variations or cones of colors, right?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

It's a joy to be here.

It's a joy to be here.

It's a joy to be here.

My old pal Rumi.

My old pal Rumi.

My old pal Rumi.

Oh, my. It's wonderful to be here. Thank you for having me. This was absolutely beautiful. A beautiful location. Beautiful to be with you.

Oh, my. It's wonderful to be here. Thank you for having me. This was absolutely beautiful. A beautiful location. Beautiful to be with you.

Oh, my. It's wonderful to be here. Thank you for having me. This was absolutely beautiful. A beautiful location. Beautiful to be with you.

So it's a joy. Thank you.

So it's a joy. Thank you.

So it's a joy. Thank you.

human life process our reverence to has been divorced for so many different reasons um but i think voices like yours are really empowering because it helps remind us what's staring us at you know staring us in the face in terms of the intelligent beauty and design within life why i say it's empowering is because it returns our sovereignty back to us when we realize that we are and a part of a vast sea of intelligence that uh

human life process our reverence to has been divorced for so many different reasons um but i think voices like yours are really empowering because it helps remind us what's staring us at you know staring us in the face in terms of the intelligent beauty and design within life why i say it's empowering is because it returns our sovereignty back to us when we realize that we are and a part of a vast sea of intelligence that uh

human life process our reverence to has been divorced for so many different reasons um but i think voices like yours are really empowering because it helps remind us what's staring us at you know staring us in the face in terms of the intelligent beauty and design within life why i say it's empowering is because it returns our sovereignty back to us when we realize that we are and a part of a vast sea of intelligence that uh

Again, the mind has the capacity to divorce itself from at times, but we can sink back into it. And so is there another example that you see in nature that is a reflection as to remembering the innate intelligence within life? And you could take it from the animal kingdom or, you know, within us as humans.

Again, the mind has the capacity to divorce itself from at times, but we can sink back into it. And so is there another example that you see in nature that is a reflection as to remembering the innate intelligence within life? And you could take it from the animal kingdom or, you know, within us as humans.

Again, the mind has the capacity to divorce itself from at times, but we can sink back into it. And so is there another example that you see in nature that is a reflection as to remembering the innate intelligence within life? And you could take it from the animal kingdom or, you know, within us as humans.

Yet the human mind is the one thing that loves to believe it's a separate individual and has the capacity to do so.

Yet the human mind is the one thing that loves to believe it's a separate individual and has the capacity to do so.

Yet the human mind is the one thing that loves to believe it's a separate individual and has the capacity to do so.

And so when you think about the sort of relational reciprocity and interdependence as a way of being throughout all life and living life as an offering and how we can give in that way, what are your thoughts on how we can move from living as a separate individual identity to an interdependent being and recognizing that?

And so when you think about the sort of relational reciprocity and interdependence as a way of being throughout all life and living life as an offering and how we can give in that way, what are your thoughts on how we can move from living as a separate individual identity to an interdependent being and recognizing that?

And so when you think about the sort of relational reciprocity and interdependence as a way of being throughout all life and living life as an offering and how we can give in that way, what are your thoughts on how we can move from living as a separate individual identity to an interdependent being and recognizing that?

Thank you for sharing the vulnerabilities of your own journey in that process. If you're open, another theme here is death, rebirth, and the seasonal cycles of life that feel difficult and are difficult at times to move through. And yet nature has abundant reminders of the necessity for forest fires to clear the underbrush for sequoia germination and

Thank you for sharing the vulnerabilities of your own journey in that process. If you're open, another theme here is death, rebirth, and the seasonal cycles of life that feel difficult and are difficult at times to move through. And yet nature has abundant reminders of the necessity for forest fires to clear the underbrush for sequoia germination and

Thank you for sharing the vulnerabilities of your own journey in that process. If you're open, another theme here is death, rebirth, and the seasonal cycles of life that feel difficult and are difficult at times to move through. And yet nature has abundant reminders of the necessity for forest fires to clear the underbrush for sequoia germination and

variances of seeds of pine trees that only germinate after forest fires. And so when you think of death loss clearing as it has a unique capacity to create connection on the other side, what comes to mind there?

variances of seeds of pine trees that only germinate after forest fires. And so when you think of death loss clearing as it has a unique capacity to create connection on the other side, what comes to mind there?

variances of seeds of pine trees that only germinate after forest fires. And so when you think of death loss clearing as it has a unique capacity to create connection on the other side, what comes to mind there?

looking from that vantage point of like the absolute knowing and you could kind of get out of ourself for a little bit in this identity structure of andre and zach bush that are like living their life and there are these cycle seasons periods where we where we need to lose to make you know make space for what's to come

looking from that vantage point of like the absolute knowing and you could kind of get out of ourself for a little bit in this identity structure of andre and zach bush that are like living their life and there are these cycle seasons periods where we where we need to lose to make you know make space for what's to come

looking from that vantage point of like the absolute knowing and you could kind of get out of ourself for a little bit in this identity structure of andre and zach bush that are like living their life and there are these cycle seasons periods where we where we need to lose to make you know make space for what's to come

in hindsight we can connect those dots in the moment it feels uh it can feel very painful in terms of of death loss loss and grief and Again, this theme pulled straight from nature of the ever-present changing of seasons, genetic mutations, evolutionary path over different periods of time.

in hindsight we can connect those dots in the moment it feels uh it can feel very painful in terms of of death loss loss and grief and Again, this theme pulled straight from nature of the ever-present changing of seasons, genetic mutations, evolutionary path over different periods of time.

in hindsight we can connect those dots in the moment it feels uh it can feel very painful in terms of of death loss loss and grief and Again, this theme pulled straight from nature of the ever-present changing of seasons, genetic mutations, evolutionary path over different periods of time.

When you think of the human being as they go through different seasons and different cycles in their own life, as winter could be compared to more of a, you know, death season, you

When you think of the human being as they go through different seasons and different cycles in their own life, as winter could be compared to more of a, you know, death season, you

When you think of the human being as they go through different seasons and different cycles in their own life, as winter could be compared to more of a, you know, death season, you

And there's the fallow season, you know, and in the periods where it doesn't seem like things are sprouting, but, you know, still action is happening beneath the surface of perception to the times where it's ready to reap, you know, things that we've been sowing for many years prior. What comes to mind is what's like important to remind people about embracing the seasonality of that journey.

And there's the fallow season, you know, and in the periods where it doesn't seem like things are sprouting, but, you know, still action is happening beneath the surface of perception to the times where it's ready to reap, you know, things that we've been sowing for many years prior. What comes to mind is what's like important to remind people about embracing the seasonality of that journey.

And there's the fallow season, you know, and in the periods where it doesn't seem like things are sprouting, but, you know, still action is happening beneath the surface of perception to the times where it's ready to reap, you know, things that we've been sowing for many years prior. What comes to mind is what's like important to remind people about embracing the seasonality of that journey.

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Hey everyone, sometimes I get asked what kind of tea we drink on the show and what I like to drink in my life in general. And so I just wanted to give a quick share. Not all tea is the same. Many tea companies are made with horrible ingredients and leak microplastics into your tea. And so one tea brand that I've been loving and drinking all the time, I love all their products, Peak Life.

Hey everyone, sometimes I get asked what kind of tea we drink on the show and what I like to drink in my life in general. And so I just wanted to give a quick share. Not all tea is the same. Many tea companies are made with horrible ingredients and leak microplastics into your tea. And so one tea brand that I've been loving and drinking all the time, I love all their products, Peak Life.

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I think if that perspective was embraced, it would have a radical transformation instantly on contact for everybody who would experience it. Because In the belief of separation, of course, we have that scarcity paradigm baked in. And when somebody experiences the wholeness

I think if that perspective was embraced, it would have a radical transformation instantly on contact for everybody who would experience it. Because In the belief of separation, of course, we have that scarcity paradigm baked in. And when somebody experiences the wholeness

I think if that perspective was embraced, it would have a radical transformation instantly on contact for everybody who would experience it. Because In the belief of separation, of course, we have that scarcity paradigm baked in. And when somebody experiences the wholeness

that they are as opposed to the belief of separation that is pervasive, then you realize the impermanence of what all the reflections are around you and you don't have that stern expectation of deriving our joy from extracting it in others. I think that what you spoke to in prior relationships and ways of being

that they are as opposed to the belief of separation that is pervasive, then you realize the impermanence of what all the reflections are around you and you don't have that stern expectation of deriving our joy from extracting it in others. I think that what you spoke to in prior relationships and ways of being

that they are as opposed to the belief of separation that is pervasive, then you realize the impermanence of what all the reflections are around you and you don't have that stern expectation of deriving our joy from extracting it in others. I think that what you spoke to in prior relationships and ways of being

it's interesting because those experiences, like the reflection of who we're not helps reveal us the experience of who we are, the contrast of that experience, you know, of seeing where we've been out of alignment helps us know our values and what is an alignment, you know? And so it all serves as a part of the journey and it's beautiful in that aspect. And I directly think of that

it's interesting because those experiences, like the reflection of who we're not helps reveal us the experience of who we are, the contrast of that experience, you know, of seeing where we've been out of alignment helps us know our values and what is an alignment, you know? And so it all serves as a part of the journey and it's beautiful in that aspect. And I directly think of that

it's interesting because those experiences, like the reflection of who we're not helps reveal us the experience of who we are, the contrast of that experience, you know, of seeing where we've been out of alignment helps us know our values and what is an alignment, you know? And so it all serves as a part of the journey and it's beautiful in that aspect. And I directly think of that

as the stress and resistance that we often face in life can be viewed as a privilege in an aspect because of what it's revealing to us. And we see this throughout nature and how so much of nature's intelligence and growth is unlocked through the resistance of the external world from denser wood trees from that are exposed to windy areas to the coral reefs that are strengthened through hard tides.

as the stress and resistance that we often face in life can be viewed as a privilege in an aspect because of what it's revealing to us. And we see this throughout nature and how so much of nature's intelligence and growth is unlocked through the resistance of the external world from denser wood trees from that are exposed to windy areas to the coral reefs that are strengthened through hard tides.

as the stress and resistance that we often face in life can be viewed as a privilege in an aspect because of what it's revealing to us. And we see this throughout nature and how so much of nature's intelligence and growth is unlocked through the resistance of the external world from denser wood trees from that are exposed to windy areas to the coral reefs that are strengthened through hard tides.

And so when you think about the human journey, what do you think is the unique relationship between stress and growth?

And so when you think about the human journey, what do you think is the unique relationship between stress and growth?

And so when you think about the human journey, what do you think is the unique relationship between stress and growth?

our own individual and collective growth, how important it is to discover our own unique, innate, one of one expression of life and how we contribute to the greater whole and our creator towards the greater whole.

our own individual and collective growth, how important it is to discover our own unique, innate, one of one expression of life and how we contribute to the greater whole and our creator towards the greater whole.

our own individual and collective growth, how important it is to discover our own unique, innate, one of one expression of life and how we contribute to the greater whole and our creator towards the greater whole.

stress and resistance is the antithesis to the stagnancy that leads us to isolation and atrophy, then embracing and seeing stress and resistance and things that are hard in our life is actually a great immense opportunity to refine the capacities we have within us then on that journey, we can begin to discover our unique expression of life, the original design that we have that's one of one.

stress and resistance is the antithesis to the stagnancy that leads us to isolation and atrophy, then embracing and seeing stress and resistance and things that are hard in our life is actually a great immense opportunity to refine the capacities we have within us then on that journey, we can begin to discover our unique expression of life, the original design that we have that's one of one.

stress and resistance is the antithesis to the stagnancy that leads us to isolation and atrophy, then embracing and seeing stress and resistance and things that are hard in our life is actually a great immense opportunity to refine the capacities we have within us then on that journey, we can begin to discover our unique expression of life, the original design that we have that's one of one.

And so we call this the fifth pillar of the biodiversity of being, how we all have a unique expression. And so when you think of us on our human journey, as we have the capacity to reveal that one of one expression of life through us, how do we come to embrace that and know that, discover that, remember that?

And so we call this the fifth pillar of the biodiversity of being, how we all have a unique expression. And so when you think of us on our human journey, as we have the capacity to reveal that one of one expression of life through us, how do we come to embrace that and know that, discover that, remember that?

And so we call this the fifth pillar of the biodiversity of being, how we all have a unique expression. And so when you think of us on our human journey, as we have the capacity to reveal that one of one expression of life through us, how do we come to embrace that and know that, discover that, remember that?

that there is a shedding of cultural homogenization and uh embracing more of a wild undomesticated self where our path is revelatory instead of just known and the

that there is a shedding of cultural homogenization and uh embracing more of a wild undomesticated self where our path is revelatory instead of just known and the

that there is a shedding of cultural homogenization and uh embracing more of a wild undomesticated self where our path is revelatory instead of just known and the

on the whiteboard, like we have all the things we want, we wanna get all the things and yet life is trying to unfold greater than we could imagine, which is a liberating reminder because it takes the pressure off of us being an individual source of creating all the things we want in our life.

on the whiteboard, like we have all the things we want, we wanna get all the things and yet life is trying to unfold greater than we could imagine, which is a liberating reminder because it takes the pressure off of us being an individual source of creating all the things we want in our life.

on the whiteboard, like we have all the things we want, we wanna get all the things and yet life is trying to unfold greater than we could imagine, which is a liberating reminder because it takes the pressure off of us being an individual source of creating all the things we want in our life.

So this is where surrender to like a greater intelligence, which has been a through line throughout this whole conversation You know comes in I'm just really fascinated about that process of transformation through the natural world Through our natural world as a human being when something doesn't just change from one thing to another but it transforms from one thing to another when the seed

So this is where surrender to like a greater intelligence, which has been a through line throughout this whole conversation You know comes in I'm just really fascinated about that process of transformation through the natural world Through our natural world as a human being when something doesn't just change from one thing to another but it transforms from one thing to another when the seed

So this is where surrender to like a greater intelligence, which has been a through line throughout this whole conversation You know comes in I'm just really fascinated about that process of transformation through the natural world Through our natural world as a human being when something doesn't just change from one thing to another but it transforms from one thing to another when the seed

is encoded with the potential of the redwood tree, but they resemble nothing like each other. And so when I think of how to help

is encoded with the potential of the redwood tree, but they resemble nothing like each other. And so when I think of how to help

is encoded with the potential of the redwood tree, but they resemble nothing like each other. And so when I think of how to help

create the conditions for that to transpire for our own internal journey i would love to get your perspectives on like what those conditions are um and and perhaps this could kind of flow into one of the last pillars of of nature which is uh stillness which is spending time in that deeper knowing and imbibing in that place of not knowing to allow something greater to transpire what comes to mind as the conditions necessary for us to go through that transformation

create the conditions for that to transpire for our own internal journey i would love to get your perspectives on like what those conditions are um and and perhaps this could kind of flow into one of the last pillars of of nature which is uh stillness which is spending time in that deeper knowing and imbibing in that place of not knowing to allow something greater to transpire what comes to mind as the conditions necessary for us to go through that transformation

create the conditions for that to transpire for our own internal journey i would love to get your perspectives on like what those conditions are um and and perhaps this could kind of flow into one of the last pillars of of nature which is uh stillness which is spending time in that deeper knowing and imbibing in that place of not knowing to allow something greater to transpire what comes to mind as the conditions necessary for us to go through that transformation

That was really beautiful, man. Thank you for sharing all of that. I feel like...

That was really beautiful, man. Thank you for sharing all of that. I feel like...

That was really beautiful, man. Thank you for sharing all of that. I feel like...

that embracing of the stillness um becomes the bedrock for insight and for the transformation to happen like the background of of silence to any good musical piece you know it it allows for you know the symphony to to take to take space um i know certainly in my journey and it sounds like especially more recently a newfound depth and appreciation for stillness and embodiment of stillness

that embracing of the stillness um becomes the bedrock for insight and for the transformation to happen like the background of of silence to any good musical piece you know it it allows for you know the symphony to to take to take space um i know certainly in my journey and it sounds like especially more recently a newfound depth and appreciation for stillness and embodiment of stillness

that embracing of the stillness um becomes the bedrock for insight and for the transformation to happen like the background of of silence to any good musical piece you know it it allows for you know the symphony to to take to take space um i know certainly in my journey and it sounds like especially more recently a newfound depth and appreciation for stillness and embodiment of stillness

uh goes hand in hand with the appreciation of beauty and ability to perceive what what's the the intelligence around you and i think that's a it's an incredible reminder from nature as well anybody knows uh whatever their perceived calamities are in their life a simple walk in nature seems to do wonders for human biology and mind right and um exquisite and so yeah i think that's a

uh goes hand in hand with the appreciation of beauty and ability to perceive what what's the the intelligence around you and i think that's a it's an incredible reminder from nature as well anybody knows uh whatever their perceived calamities are in their life a simple walk in nature seems to do wonders for human biology and mind right and um exquisite and so yeah i think that's a

uh goes hand in hand with the appreciation of beauty and ability to perceive what what's the the intelligence around you and i think that's a it's an incredible reminder from nature as well anybody knows uh whatever their perceived calamities are in their life a simple walk in nature seems to do wonders for human biology and mind right and um exquisite and so yeah i think that's a

That's a powerful reminder for us all and thing we can... do even though as human beings we'd love for answers to or for things to do and we become human doings in so many regards but that space of non-doing actually in nature I feel like and it sounds like as well in your journey has been the bedrock for so much transformation.

That's a powerful reminder for us all and thing we can... do even though as human beings we'd love for answers to or for things to do and we become human doings in so many regards but that space of non-doing actually in nature I feel like and it sounds like as well in your journey has been the bedrock for so much transformation.

That's a powerful reminder for us all and thing we can... do even though as human beings we'd love for answers to or for things to do and we become human doings in so many regards but that space of non-doing actually in nature I feel like and it sounds like as well in your journey has been the bedrock for so much transformation.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah, that hit right on. If we could anthropomorphize what nature might say to this moment humanity finds itself in and see a prevailing message and reminder from nature as to the time we're in, what would she say right now? Fly. Fly, humans.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah, that hit right on. If we could anthropomorphize what nature might say to this moment humanity finds itself in and see a prevailing message and reminder from nature as to the time we're in, what would she say right now? Fly. Fly, humans.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah, that hit right on. If we could anthropomorphize what nature might say to this moment humanity finds itself in and see a prevailing message and reminder from nature as to the time we're in, what would she say right now? Fly. Fly, humans.

It seems like earlier when you were mentioning on your own path, the perceived possibility of your own death was really masquerading as a...

It seems like earlier when you were mentioning on your own path, the perceived possibility of your own death was really masquerading as a...

It seems like earlier when you were mentioning on your own path, the perceived possibility of your own death was really masquerading as a...

death of an identity structure that needed to take place that was transpiring to take place and i think we're seeing that on the collective scale now as you said in this decade we've seen those paradigms and narratives of your guilt and shame play out to untold levels but also the the other polarity of it which is uh the immense capacity for beauty and it seems like with the evolution of any technology and growth of uh of a gen generations there is the capacity for both

death of an identity structure that needed to take place that was transpiring to take place and i think we're seeing that on the collective scale now as you said in this decade we've seen those paradigms and narratives of your guilt and shame play out to untold levels but also the the other polarity of it which is uh the immense capacity for beauty and it seems like with the evolution of any technology and growth of uh of a gen generations there is the capacity for both

death of an identity structure that needed to take place that was transpiring to take place and i think we're seeing that on the collective scale now as you said in this decade we've seen those paradigms and narratives of your guilt and shame play out to untold levels but also the the other polarity of it which is uh the immense capacity for beauty and it seems like with the evolution of any technology and growth of uh of a gen generations there is the capacity for both

the metacrisis unfolding in that way. And then also the complete recognition of everything is sacred. And what a time to be alive, you know?

the metacrisis unfolding in that way. And then also the complete recognition of everything is sacred. And what a time to be alive, you know?

the metacrisis unfolding in that way. And then also the complete recognition of everything is sacred. And what a time to be alive, you know?

Again, man, what a time to be alive in the revelation of these things that are going to be transpiring. I'm just curious, as a closing thought, what do you think are the main contributing factors that are going to

Again, man, what a time to be alive in the revelation of these things that are going to be transpiring. I'm just curious, as a closing thought, what do you think are the main contributing factors that are going to

Again, man, what a time to be alive in the revelation of these things that are going to be transpiring. I'm just curious, as a closing thought, what do you think are the main contributing factors that are going to

be the most obvious reason why the next five years is like the most is gonna transpire in the next five years from variances in our artificial intelligence to recognizing the technology that is the human body.

be the most obvious reason why the next five years is like the most is gonna transpire in the next five years from variances in our artificial intelligence to recognizing the technology that is the human body.

be the most obvious reason why the next five years is like the most is gonna transpire in the next five years from variances in our artificial intelligence to recognizing the technology that is the human body.

When you look back in hindsight from 50 years from now, looking back on the phase shift that humanity is about to go through, what do you see as the biggest changes that are happening in the next five years in that aspect? We're gonna remember.

When you look back in hindsight from 50 years from now, looking back on the phase shift that humanity is about to go through, what do you see as the biggest changes that are happening in the next five years in that aspect? We're gonna remember.

When you look back in hindsight from 50 years from now, looking back on the phase shift that humanity is about to go through, what do you see as the biggest changes that are happening in the next five years in that aspect? We're gonna remember.

How do you see that reality transpiring? What would be the initiating factors of that?

How do you see that reality transpiring? What would be the initiating factors of that?

How do you see that reality transpiring? What would be the initiating factors of that?

Zach, one of the things I love for you, even beyond the immense wealth of knowledge that you possess and how you can share that is just how much you care and how much you love and how much I get to witness that in the community and the individuals you meet and you're surrounded with. It's truly a gift to be around you. And I'm just so happy that you're here at this time.

Zach, one of the things I love for you, even beyond the immense wealth of knowledge that you possess and how you can share that is just how much you care and how much you love and how much I get to witness that in the community and the individuals you meet and you're surrounded with. It's truly a gift to be around you. And I'm just so happy that you're here at this time.

Zach, one of the things I love for you, even beyond the immense wealth of knowledge that you possess and how you can share that is just how much you care and how much you love and how much I get to witness that in the community and the individuals you meet and you're surrounded with. It's truly a gift to be around you. And I'm just so happy that you're here at this time.

We all serve a unique purpose and the evolution of what humanity is going to take form next. And I do think that certain individuals have the life experience and the culmination of many different experiences that have led them to be able to articulate and be a leader in this time. And so I very much so see you as a leader and I love and appreciate you very much.

We all serve a unique purpose and the evolution of what humanity is going to take form next. And I do think that certain individuals have the life experience and the culmination of many different experiences that have led them to be able to articulate and be a leader in this time. And so I very much so see you as a leader and I love and appreciate you very much.

We all serve a unique purpose and the evolution of what humanity is going to take form next. And I do think that certain individuals have the life experience and the culmination of many different experiences that have led them to be able to articulate and be a leader in this time. And so I very much so see you as a leader and I love and appreciate you very much.

My friend, that was the conclusion to the trilogy. Our third podcast. I appreciate you. Thank you. Any last words that you want to share before we close out? And then as well, anything, any exciting new projects maybe you want to, we'll link down below. But if you want to mention anything, let me know.

My friend, that was the conclusion to the trilogy. Our third podcast. I appreciate you. Thank you. Any last words that you want to share before we close out? And then as well, anything, any exciting new projects maybe you want to, we'll link down below. But if you want to mention anything, let me know.

My friend, that was the conclusion to the trilogy. Our third podcast. I appreciate you. Thank you. Any last words that you want to share before we close out? And then as well, anything, any exciting new projects maybe you want to, we'll link down below. But if you want to mention anything, let me know.

So as it pertains and as a parallel to our own inner nature, the reason I bring it up as one of the first is because embracing the perspective shift from consumer to contributor and recognizing whatever term we want to use there, we don't live in a vacuum, nothing does. And so with that

So as it pertains and as a parallel to our own inner nature, the reason I bring it up as one of the first is because embracing the perspective shift from consumer to contributor and recognizing whatever term we want to use there, we don't live in a vacuum, nothing does. And so with that

So as it pertains and as a parallel to our own inner nature, the reason I bring it up as one of the first is because embracing the perspective shift from consumer to contributor and recognizing whatever term we want to use there, we don't live in a vacuum, nothing does. And so with that

Fly we shall, my friend. Appreciate you and thank you everybody for tuning into this episode. See you next week.

Fly we shall, my friend. Appreciate you and thank you everybody for tuning into this episode. See you next week.

Fly we shall, my friend. Appreciate you and thank you everybody for tuning into this episode. See you next week.

acknowledgement with grace and wisdom can interact with our environment and all living life around us with that sort of empathy and understanding. And so when you think about that shift from consumer to contributor, what rings a bell there? That's beautiful.

acknowledgement with grace and wisdom can interact with our environment and all living life around us with that sort of empathy and understanding. And so when you think about that shift from consumer to contributor, what rings a bell there? That's beautiful.

acknowledgement with grace and wisdom can interact with our environment and all living life around us with that sort of empathy and understanding. And so when you think about that shift from consumer to contributor, what rings a bell there? That's beautiful.

My friend, Zach Bush, welcome back to the show.

My friend, Zach Bush, welcome back to the show.

My friend, Zach Bush, welcome back to the show.

that flows perfectly into the second pillar, which could be described as emergence, emergent wisdom, decentralized intelligence.

that flows perfectly into the second pillar, which could be described as emergence, emergent wisdom, decentralized intelligence.

that flows perfectly into the second pillar, which could be described as emergence, emergent wisdom, decentralized intelligence.

You look at nature and these phenomena of startling murmurations and these complex systems and self-organizing systems, like you spoke to, we have the capacity to let nature speak through us through the most diverse microbiome to the intelligence that we hold the capacity for. as a human species and a human life.

You look at nature and these phenomena of startling murmurations and these complex systems and self-organizing systems, like you spoke to, we have the capacity to let nature speak through us through the most diverse microbiome to the intelligence that we hold the capacity for. as a human species and a human life.

You look at nature and these phenomena of startling murmurations and these complex systems and self-organizing systems, like you spoke to, we have the capacity to let nature speak through us through the most diverse microbiome to the intelligence that we hold the capacity for. as a human species and a human life.

I thought as it's very in alignment with your work and also my area of passion as a framework for this conversation to pull from some core themes of nature's wisdom and how there are so many parallels to unlocking our inner nature, discovering that, embodying in it, embracing it, living in it, and how that can contribute to us living in harmony.

I thought as it's very in alignment with your work and also my area of passion as a framework for this conversation to pull from some core themes of nature's wisdom and how there are so many parallels to unlocking our inner nature, discovering that, embodying in it, embracing it, living in it, and how that can contribute to us living in harmony.

I thought as it's very in alignment with your work and also my area of passion as a framework for this conversation to pull from some core themes of nature's wisdom and how there are so many parallels to unlocking our inner nature, discovering that, embodying in it, embracing it, living in it, and how that can contribute to us living in harmony.

And the shift and the deepening and the remembering like you spoke to from just the egoic mind of what we can logically know and deduce to allowing a greater intelligence to move through us is something I want to reflect on because in my perspective, those are kind of two polarities in which

And the shift and the deepening and the remembering like you spoke to from just the egoic mind of what we can logically know and deduce to allowing a greater intelligence to move through us is something I want to reflect on because in my perspective, those are kind of two polarities in which

And the shift and the deepening and the remembering like you spoke to from just the egoic mind of what we can logically know and deduce to allowing a greater intelligence to move through us is something I want to reflect on because in my perspective, those are kind of two polarities in which

are tied to the first thing that we were talking about from a scarce mindset to that kind of interabundance to allowing something greater to move through us. And so what comes to mind as it pertains to allowing that emerging deeper knowing that our body has the innate capacity for to take stage? I love that question.

are tied to the first thing that we were talking about from a scarce mindset to that kind of interabundance to allowing something greater to move through us. And so what comes to mind as it pertains to allowing that emerging deeper knowing that our body has the innate capacity for to take stage? I love that question.

are tied to the first thing that we were talking about from a scarce mindset to that kind of interabundance to allowing something greater to move through us. And so what comes to mind as it pertains to allowing that emerging deeper knowing that our body has the innate capacity for to take stage? I love that question.

And so the first one that would be thrilled to get your kind of framework and understanding around is We live in perhaps the most individualistic culture to have ever existed. And we look throughout all nature as it's a complex ecosystem where interdependence is the natural state of being in existence from all life.

And so the first one that would be thrilled to get your kind of framework and understanding around is We live in perhaps the most individualistic culture to have ever existed. And we look throughout all nature as it's a complex ecosystem where interdependence is the natural state of being in existence from all life.

And so the first one that would be thrilled to get your kind of framework and understanding around is We live in perhaps the most individualistic culture to have ever existed. And we look throughout all nature as it's a complex ecosystem where interdependence is the natural state of being in existence from all life.

It seems as though, especially looking back in hindsight, that the challenges that occur in our life are in many ways designed just sweetly for our own evolution, you know, and it doesn't feel like it often in the moment. Right. But looking back, you really see how this kind of life in this realm on earth is set up in such to where we're going to get

It seems as though, especially looking back in hindsight, that the challenges that occur in our life are in many ways designed just sweetly for our own evolution, you know, and it doesn't feel like it often in the moment. Right. But looking back, you really see how this kind of life in this realm on earth is set up in such to where we're going to get

It seems as though, especially looking back in hindsight, that the challenges that occur in our life are in many ways designed just sweetly for our own evolution, you know, and it doesn't feel like it often in the moment. Right. But looking back, you really see how this kind of life in this realm on earth is set up in such to where we're going to get

And I've just found that so much for me in my own personal life of like true joy has come from living in alignment with what my version of a life well lived is. So what is in your opinion for your life and what you feel like what you've seen as a pattern in many people is a life well lived?

And I've just found that so much for me in my own personal life of like true joy has come from living in alignment with what my version of a life well lived is. So what is in your opinion for your life and what you feel like what you've seen as a pattern in many people is a life well lived?

And I've just found that so much for me in my own personal life of like true joy has come from living in alignment with what my version of a life well lived is. So what is in your opinion for your life and what you feel like what you've seen as a pattern in many people is a life well lived?

to varying degrees, challenges that really can be viewed as opportunities for growth.

to varying degrees, challenges that really can be viewed as opportunities for growth.

to varying degrees, challenges that really can be viewed as opportunities for growth.

Yeah, and so what do you, from that perspective, how do you see the challenges that come up in our life? Because everybody who's listening right now has a version of something in their life that is maybe not flowing as effortlessly as they wish it to be. Right, right, right. But I think shifting our perception and what these things can serve change our relationship to it.

Yeah, and so what do you, from that perspective, how do you see the challenges that come up in our life? Because everybody who's listening right now has a version of something in their life that is maybe not flowing as effortlessly as they wish it to be. Right, right, right. But I think shifting our perception and what these things can serve change our relationship to it.

Yeah, and so what do you, from that perspective, how do you see the challenges that come up in our life? Because everybody who's listening right now has a version of something in their life that is maybe not flowing as effortlessly as they wish it to be. Right, right, right. But I think shifting our perception and what these things can serve change our relationship to it.

Yeah, it's like what you mentioned last time about people transforming either through insight or crisis.

Yeah, it's like what you mentioned last time about people transforming either through insight or crisis.

Yeah, it's like what you mentioned last time about people transforming either through insight or crisis.

You know, and I think we oscillate between both most of us throughout our life and those challenges that arise in our life, whether they be relationship dynamics, financial struggles, something inner with our mind or body or emotion, right? When perceived as opportunities for growth, what you resist persists in that thing, right?

You know, and I think we oscillate between both most of us throughout our life and those challenges that arise in our life, whether they be relationship dynamics, financial struggles, something inner with our mind or body or emotion, right? When perceived as opportunities for growth, what you resist persists in that thing, right?

You know, and I think we oscillate between both most of us throughout our life and those challenges that arise in our life, whether they be relationship dynamics, financial struggles, something inner with our mind or body or emotion, right? When perceived as opportunities for growth, what you resist persists in that thing, right?

So like when you accept it as a challenge, when you accept it as an opportunity for growth, then like when you go to the gym and you work out, you understand the challenge, you choose it, right? I feel like when you choose it, it just, our relationship completely changes and it allows us to have synergy with it instead of it's me versus life. I feel like so much of our time here often is like,

So like when you accept it as a challenge, when you accept it as an opportunity for growth, then like when you go to the gym and you work out, you understand the challenge, you choose it, right? I feel like when you choose it, it just, our relationship completely changes and it allows us to have synergy with it instead of it's me versus life. I feel like so much of our time here often is like,

So like when you accept it as a challenge, when you accept it as an opportunity for growth, then like when you go to the gym and you work out, you understand the challenge, you choose it, right? I feel like when you choose it, it just, our relationship completely changes and it allows us to have synergy with it instead of it's me versus life. I feel like so much of our time here often is like,

And this subtle but pervasive energy of the way my life is right now is not how it should be. Right. You know?

And this subtle but pervasive energy of the way my life is right now is not how it should be. Right. You know?

And this subtle but pervasive energy of the way my life is right now is not how it should be. Right. You know?

Yeah. It makes me think about, uh, we just had Deepak on the show and, uh, he, he referred this quote, um, from victim shine about, you know, our life is a dream and we're asleep. And sometimes we become awake enough to know that we're dreaming and it, it,

Yeah. It makes me think about, uh, we just had Deepak on the show and, uh, he, he referred this quote, um, from victim shine about, you know, our life is a dream and we're asleep. And sometimes we become awake enough to know that we're dreaming and it, it,

Yeah. It makes me think about, uh, we just had Deepak on the show and, uh, he, he referred this quote, um, from victim shine about, you know, our life is a dream and we're asleep. And sometimes we become awake enough to know that we're dreaming and it, it,

you know we have these moments of insight of revelation where we kind of get our head above the the ocean you know uh tide and we can see this life and how it's set up in these different dynamics and then we come back into the weight room so to speak and live our life those moments where we do kind of get our head above the water and we see how this is very much like a similar simulation yes you know it's like all these it is a simulation yeah it's a matrix

you know we have these moments of insight of revelation where we kind of get our head above the the ocean you know uh tide and we can see this life and how it's set up in these different dynamics and then we come back into the weight room so to speak and live our life those moments where we do kind of get our head above the water and we see how this is very much like a similar simulation yes you know it's like all these it is a simulation yeah it's a matrix

you know we have these moments of insight of revelation where we kind of get our head above the the ocean you know uh tide and we can see this life and how it's set up in these different dynamics and then we come back into the weight room so to speak and live our life those moments where we do kind of get our head above the water and we see how this is very much like a similar simulation yes you know it's like all these it is a simulation yeah it's a matrix

Yeah, yeah, there's that perspective and that balance of things can be real to us, but they're not in the absolute truth of how things are actually happening. You appear to be separate from me right now, and you appear to be over there, like a few feet away from me, but the reality is this image is being inverted. We know the whole story, right? You're happening.

Yeah, yeah, there's that perspective and that balance of things can be real to us, but they're not in the absolute truth of how things are actually happening. You appear to be separate from me right now, and you appear to be over there, like a few feet away from me, but the reality is this image is being inverted. We know the whole story, right? You're happening.

Yeah, yeah, there's that perspective and that balance of things can be real to us, but they're not in the absolute truth of how things are actually happening. You appear to be separate from me right now, and you appear to be over there, like a few feet away from me, but the reality is this image is being inverted. We know the whole story, right? You're happening.

We are phenomenas appearing inside of ourself within one another.

We are phenomenas appearing inside of ourself within one another.

We are phenomenas appearing inside of ourself within one another.

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Back to Michael Beckwith. That's amazing. I heard from a little bird that you maybe wrote a poem. You told me on your way in about this.

Back to Michael Beckwith. That's amazing. I heard from a little bird that you maybe wrote a poem. You told me on your way in about this.

Back to Michael Beckwith. That's amazing. I heard from a little bird that you maybe wrote a poem. You told me on your way in about this.

I'm curious, where did that come up? Because you took a little hiatus this past month.

I'm curious, where did that come up? Because you took a little hiatus this past month.

I'm curious, where did that come up? Because you took a little hiatus this past month.

Yeah, we'd love to hear it.

Yeah, we'd love to hear it.

Yeah, we'd love to hear it.

All right, that's a nice book you got there, too.

All right, that's a nice book you got there, too.

All right, that's a nice book you got there, too.

That's a great gift.

That's a great gift.

That's a great gift.

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Snaps. Snaps for Michael.

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Yeah, poetry. I mean, talk about emergence, man. You know, getting quiet and really just allowing the words to flow is such an amazing practice.

Yeah, poetry. I mean, talk about emergence, man. You know, getting quiet and really just allowing the words to flow is such an amazing practice.

Yeah, poetry. I mean, talk about emergence, man. You know, getting quiet and really just allowing the words to flow is such an amazing practice.

What art enables is a level of relaying truth and I feel like more of its direct essence, right? Because we get so literal in our logical way of deducing and explaining reality through our intellect that we lose the poetry of life.

What art enables is a level of relaying truth and I feel like more of its direct essence, right? Because we get so literal in our logical way of deducing and explaining reality through our intellect that we lose the poetry of life.

What art enables is a level of relaying truth and I feel like more of its direct essence, right? Because we get so literal in our logical way of deducing and explaining reality through our intellect that we lose the poetry of life.

Yeah, it brings it more into the feeling, you know, like some of those lines, what a scripted abstraction or a lucid dream in that landscape of time, or, you know, there is some, the lines in there that point to like the absolute truth of reality of like what this all is and this lila and this divine play, right?

Yeah, it brings it more into the feeling, you know, like some of those lines, what a scripted abstraction or a lucid dream in that landscape of time, or, you know, there is some, the lines in there that point to like the absolute truth of reality of like what this all is and this lila and this divine play, right?

Yeah, it brings it more into the feeling, you know, like some of those lines, what a scripted abstraction or a lucid dream in that landscape of time, or, you know, there is some, the lines in there that point to like the absolute truth of reality of like what this all is and this lila and this divine play, right?

And I love both sides of it too, because I love having physicists and consciousness researchers on the podcast and get into the, you know, into the nitty gritty of the scientific process of it. But that balance is necessary.

And I love both sides of it too, because I love having physicists and consciousness researchers on the podcast and get into the, you know, into the nitty gritty of the scientific process of it. But that balance is necessary.

And I love both sides of it too, because I love having physicists and consciousness researchers on the podcast and get into the, you know, into the nitty gritty of the scientific process of it. But that balance is necessary.

Yeah, I think that balance is necessary. And activating those dormant potentials and possibilities within us. I mentioned earlier, I think Howard Gardner has this great framework about, Frames of Mind is one of his books, about the different types of intelligence.

Yeah, I think that balance is necessary. And activating those dormant potentials and possibilities within us. I mentioned earlier, I think Howard Gardner has this great framework about, Frames of Mind is one of his books, about the different types of intelligence.

Yeah, I think that balance is necessary. And activating those dormant potentials and possibilities within us. I mentioned earlier, I think Howard Gardner has this great framework about, Frames of Mind is one of his books, about the different types of intelligence.

He puts it into eight different categories from kinesthetic, bodily, intelligence, a lot of athletes, to musical, to linguistic, to logical, mathematical, which I think is put a little bit more on a pedestal societally. but it invites how intelligence weaves throughout all of our lives differently.

He puts it into eight different categories from kinesthetic, bodily, intelligence, a lot of athletes, to musical, to linguistic, to logical, mathematical, which I think is put a little bit more on a pedestal societally. but it invites how intelligence weaves throughout all of our lives differently.

He puts it into eight different categories from kinesthetic, bodily, intelligence, a lot of athletes, to musical, to linguistic, to logical, mathematical, which I think is put a little bit more on a pedestal societally. but it invites how intelligence weaves throughout all of our lives differently.

And sometimes the resistance is simply because we haven't discovered and allowed to explore more of what comes naturally to us. You know, no one's going to disagree that Kobe Bryant or Steph Curry, you know, is an incredible form of intelligence, right?

And sometimes the resistance is simply because we haven't discovered and allowed to explore more of what comes naturally to us. You know, no one's going to disagree that Kobe Bryant or Steph Curry, you know, is an incredible form of intelligence, right?

And sometimes the resistance is simply because we haven't discovered and allowed to explore more of what comes naturally to us. You know, no one's going to disagree that Kobe Bryant or Steph Curry, you know, is an incredible form of intelligence, right?

Yeah, I would like to get your perspective on that because allowing it to take place sounds really nice and something that I think everybody would want, wants to experience more of in their life. And yet there is this balance of like developing the skills and almost the unconscious competency.

Yeah, I would like to get your perspective on that because allowing it to take place sounds really nice and something that I think everybody would want, wants to experience more of in their life. And yet there is this balance of like developing the skills and almost the unconscious competency.

Yeah, I would like to get your perspective on that because allowing it to take place sounds really nice and something that I think everybody would want, wants to experience more of in their life. And yet there is this balance of like developing the skills and almost the unconscious competency.

So you, your body knows and you can let the body intelligence, cosmic divine intelligence, whatever word you want to use, take over. And that's where you experience flow. Right. For example, on piano, there's the practicing of scales and different keys and chord progressions and voicings. And then you get out the way and stuff starts happening that emerges in ways you can't comprehend, right?

So you, your body knows and you can let the body intelligence, cosmic divine intelligence, whatever word you want to use, take over. And that's where you experience flow. Right. For example, on piano, there's the practicing of scales and different keys and chord progressions and voicings. And then you get out the way and stuff starts happening that emerges in ways you can't comprehend, right?

So you, your body knows and you can let the body intelligence, cosmic divine intelligence, whatever word you want to use, take over. And that's where you experience flow. Right. For example, on piano, there's the practicing of scales and different keys and chord progressions and voicings. And then you get out the way and stuff starts happening that emerges in ways you can't comprehend, right?

So what do you feel like the balance is of doing the work, building the skills, and then allowing something greater to take over?

So what do you feel like the balance is of doing the work, building the skills, and then allowing something greater to take over?

So what do you feel like the balance is of doing the work, building the skills, and then allowing something greater to take over?

I'm just using that as an example. For sure. It makes sense. You know, you take care of what you love, you take care of your gift, and then what you love takes care of you. Absolutely. You know, that gift takes care of you. Absolutely.

I'm just using that as an example. For sure. It makes sense. You know, you take care of what you love, you take care of your gift, and then what you love takes care of you. Absolutely. You know, that gift takes care of you. Absolutely.

I'm just using that as an example. For sure. It makes sense. You know, you take care of what you love, you take care of your gift, and then what you love takes care of you. Absolutely. You know, that gift takes care of you. Absolutely.

Yeah, it's so easy to live in the abstraction or the thought of the thing rather than the actual thing.

Yeah, it's so easy to live in the abstraction or the thought of the thing rather than the actual thing.

Yeah, it's so easy to live in the abstraction or the thought of the thing rather than the actual thing.

Have you heard of the parable of the cafe on the cliff? Do you ever- Cafe? Cafe on the cliff. Maybe. Yeah, it's roughly speaking, it's that analogy of, you know, say you're on the edge of a cliff and you're about to dive into the water, right?

Have you heard of the parable of the cafe on the cliff? Do you ever- Cafe? Cafe on the cliff. Maybe. Yeah, it's roughly speaking, it's that analogy of, you know, say you're on the edge of a cliff and you're about to dive into the water, right?

Have you heard of the parable of the cafe on the cliff? Do you ever- Cafe? Cafe on the cliff. Maybe. Yeah, it's roughly speaking, it's that analogy of, you know, say you're on the edge of a cliff and you're about to dive into the water, right?

And metaphorically speaking, that's representing you into actually living into the practice of these theories, you know, actually doing the deep work and facing off with the parts of ourselves that are uncomfortable and really getting deep into the water, you know? And it's like, the person that gets there and says, hold on, like, you know, let me stretch a little bit before I jump in, you know?

And metaphorically speaking, that's representing you into actually living into the practice of these theories, you know, actually doing the deep work and facing off with the parts of ourselves that are uncomfortable and really getting deep into the water, you know? And it's like, the person that gets there and says, hold on, like, you know, let me stretch a little bit before I jump in, you know?

And metaphorically speaking, that's representing you into actually living into the practice of these theories, you know, actually doing the deep work and facing off with the parts of ourselves that are uncomfortable and really getting deep into the water, you know? And it's like, the person that gets there and says, hold on, like, you know, let me stretch a little bit before I jump in, you know?

And then a friend comes by and be like, hey, I want to have a talk with somebody. And just like, let's have a conversation for a little bit right before we, right before I dive in. And he's like, you know, I'm actually kind of thirsty. Would you grab me a glass of water? And it's like, okay, yeah, all right. I think I'm ready to go in. actually, I'm kind of hungry.

And then a friend comes by and be like, hey, I want to have a talk with somebody. And just like, let's have a conversation for a little bit right before we, right before I dive in. And he's like, you know, I'm actually kind of thirsty. Would you grab me a glass of water? And it's like, okay, yeah, all right. I think I'm ready to go in. actually, I'm kind of hungry.

And then a friend comes by and be like, hey, I want to have a talk with somebody. And just like, let's have a conversation for a little bit right before we, right before I dive in. And he's like, you know, I'm actually kind of thirsty. Would you grab me a glass of water? And it's like, okay, yeah, all right. I think I'm ready to go in. actually, I'm kind of hungry.

success societally is thought of as just getting what you want out of life. But taking it a step back and knowing what is worth wanting is even more important, right? Because we could spend our whole life going after what we thought we really wanted to come to find out it actually doesn't mean a whole lot to us.

success societally is thought of as just getting what you want out of life. But taking it a step back and knowing what is worth wanting is even more important, right? Because we could spend our whole life going after what we thought we really wanted to come to find out it actually doesn't mean a whole lot to us.

success societally is thought of as just getting what you want out of life. But taking it a step back and knowing what is worth wanting is even more important, right? Because we could spend our whole life going after what we thought we really wanted to come to find out it actually doesn't mean a whole lot to us.

Would you mind grabbing me a bagel? And it kind of keeps going and going where the more people come and they get a picnic table and they sit down and they have conversations and you end up building this cafe on the cliff. Instead of diving in. Yeah, and you start living on the cliff edge, right? You build this restaurant and you get like,

Would you mind grabbing me a bagel? And it kind of keeps going and going where the more people come and they get a picnic table and they sit down and they have conversations and you end up building this cafe on the cliff. Instead of diving in. Yeah, and you start living on the cliff edge, right? You build this restaurant and you get like,

Would you mind grabbing me a bagel? And it kind of keeps going and going where the more people come and they get a picnic table and they sit down and they have conversations and you end up building this cafe on the cliff. Instead of diving in. Yeah, and you start living on the cliff edge, right? You build this restaurant and you get like,

right there, but you actually fail to have recognized the most important part, which is doing the work, getting into the water. And it's just like that story of Siddhartha, right? That tension between being totally consumed by what we know to be true and living in the concepts of it.

right there, but you actually fail to have recognized the most important part, which is doing the work, getting into the water. And it's just like that story of Siddhartha, right? That tension between being totally consumed by what we know to be true and living in the concepts of it.

right there, but you actually fail to have recognized the most important part, which is doing the work, getting into the water. And it's just like that story of Siddhartha, right? That tension between being totally consumed by what we know to be true and living in the concepts of it.

You know, and that's why I think the sages throughout time have had a unique capacity to, through the futility of what we have, the capacity for the human language, be able to describe as close we can, right? The words will never do it justice, but they can get close.

You know, and that's why I think the sages throughout time have had a unique capacity to, through the futility of what we have, the capacity for the human language, be able to describe as close we can, right? The words will never do it justice, but they can get close.

You know, and that's why I think the sages throughout time have had a unique capacity to, through the futility of what we have, the capacity for the human language, be able to describe as close we can, right? The words will never do it justice, but they can get close.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so when you think of that, you mentioned last time you were on the show that your heart's desire and the divine will are the exact same thing. Absolutely. And so when you think of discovering what it takes to discover what is worth wanting and what our heart's desire and therefore divine will is, what comes to mind in supporting people with that?

And so when you think of that, you mentioned last time you were on the show that your heart's desire and the divine will are the exact same thing. Absolutely. And so when you think of discovering what it takes to discover what is worth wanting and what our heart's desire and therefore divine will is, what comes to mind in supporting people with that?

And so when you think of that, you mentioned last time you were on the show that your heart's desire and the divine will are the exact same thing. Absolutely. And so when you think of discovering what it takes to discover what is worth wanting and what our heart's desire and therefore divine will is, what comes to mind in supporting people with that?

It's a trip when we catch ourself in those moments of how we're seeing life through our own distorted perception of it and not as it actually is. And then you get those moments where you can sort of collapse the energy and you have that deeper connection. And you recognize, oh, we're all one. You see the humanity behind somebody.

It's a trip when we catch ourself in those moments of how we're seeing life through our own distorted perception of it and not as it actually is. And then you get those moments where you can sort of collapse the energy and you have that deeper connection. And you recognize, oh, we're all one. You see the humanity behind somebody.

It's a trip when we catch ourself in those moments of how we're seeing life through our own distorted perception of it and not as it actually is. And then you get those moments where you can sort of collapse the energy and you have that deeper connection. And you recognize, oh, we're all one. You see the humanity behind somebody.

There's plenty examples where we could look online or see the things that are happening in the world and judge it and condemn it, hate it. Not to say that these things are right by any means, you know, but you're inviting like the deeper understanding of something leaves no space to judge it. Right.

There's plenty examples where we could look online or see the things that are happening in the world and judge it and condemn it, hate it. Not to say that these things are right by any means, you know, but you're inviting like the deeper understanding of something leaves no space to judge it. Right.

There's plenty examples where we could look online or see the things that are happening in the world and judge it and condemn it, hate it. Not to say that these things are right by any means, you know, but you're inviting like the deeper understanding of something leaves no space to judge it. Right.

It feels like the... A real litmus test and yardstick for seeing where our own growth is in life and our own development is how we feel with ourself when we're alone. Oh, I love this. And I would love to get your perspective on this and we can get into the tools that continue to support this.

It feels like the... A real litmus test and yardstick for seeing where our own growth is in life and our own development is how we feel with ourself when we're alone. Oh, I love this. And I would love to get your perspective on this and we can get into the tools that continue to support this.

It feels like the... A real litmus test and yardstick for seeing where our own growth is in life and our own development is how we feel with ourself when we're alone. Oh, I love this. And I would love to get your perspective on this and we can get into the tools that continue to support this.

But man, even in podcasting, it's easy to come on here and for people to put on a show for an hour or two. It's easy for us to go to work maybe even and put on a face of different things. We cannot lie to ourselves for extended periods of times. It's going to show up in distorted energy in so many different ways. So what comes to mind when you think about that?

But man, even in podcasting, it's easy to come on here and for people to put on a show for an hour or two. It's easy for us to go to work maybe even and put on a face of different things. We cannot lie to ourselves for extended periods of times. It's going to show up in distorted energy in so many different ways. So what comes to mind when you think about that?

But man, even in podcasting, it's easy to come on here and for people to put on a show for an hour or two. It's easy for us to go to work maybe even and put on a face of different things. We cannot lie to ourselves for extended periods of times. It's going to show up in distorted energy in so many different ways. So what comes to mind when you think about that?

I feel like the more that we bring like sincerity into our practice and bring heart into our alone time, right? Because there's alone time on social media and then there's alone time being in stillness, right? And the being in the stillness and like in these deepening of practices, I think we start to really perceive to the degree in which we're participating in the conflict in our life, you know?

I feel like the more that we bring like sincerity into our practice and bring heart into our alone time, right? Because there's alone time on social media and then there's alone time being in stillness, right? And the being in the stillness and like in these deepening of practices, I think we start to really perceive to the degree in which we're participating in the conflict in our life, you know?

I feel like the more that we bring like sincerity into our practice and bring heart into our alone time, right? Because there's alone time on social media and then there's alone time being in stillness, right? And the being in the stillness and like in these deepening of practices, I think we start to really perceive to the degree in which we're participating in the conflict in our life, you know?

Like in our relationships, like our role and the conflict that we bring and how so much of it is perpetuated just from self-conflict.

Like in our relationships, like our role and the conflict that we bring and how so much of it is perpetuated just from self-conflict.

Like in our relationships, like our role and the conflict that we bring and how so much of it is perpetuated just from self-conflict.

Yeah, I feel like you really know what's meant for you and what's not meant for you in that space. And that cultivation of self-worth, it's the antithesis energy to what would be like a self-obsession, right?

Yeah, I feel like you really know what's meant for you and what's not meant for you in that space. And that cultivation of self-worth, it's the antithesis energy to what would be like a self-obsession, right?

Yeah, I feel like you really know what's meant for you and what's not meant for you in that space. And that cultivation of self-worth, it's the antithesis energy to what would be like a self-obsession, right?

Where you're spending time to reinforce these beliefs you have about yourself, but in the absence of a perception of who you even are, then you need to allow that other space to emerge like you're speaking to. Absolutely.

Where you're spending time to reinforce these beliefs you have about yourself, but in the absence of a perception of who you even are, then you need to allow that other space to emerge like you're speaking to. Absolutely.

Where you're spending time to reinforce these beliefs you have about yourself, but in the absence of a perception of who you even are, then you need to allow that other space to emerge like you're speaking to. Absolutely.

I'm really curious what you think about, because there are many practices that we can have and like, you know, things we can be devoted to that support the deepening of our experience of our true nature.

I'm really curious what you think about, because there are many practices that we can have and like, you know, things we can be devoted to that support the deepening of our experience of our true nature.

I'm really curious what you think about, because there are many practices that we can have and like, you know, things we can be devoted to that support the deepening of our experience of our true nature.

And I found, and I've heard you speak to the really bedtime and like the time before sleep, our mornings and our nights are some of the, if not the most important times to guard because we're in a hypnagogic state, right? So if somebody wants to, um, really take responsibility for their life. They want to cultivate vitality. They want to know their true nature.

And I found, and I've heard you speak to the really bedtime and like the time before sleep, our mornings and our nights are some of the, if not the most important times to guard because we're in a hypnagogic state, right? So if somebody wants to, um, really take responsibility for their life. They want to cultivate vitality. They want to know their true nature.

And I found, and I've heard you speak to the really bedtime and like the time before sleep, our mornings and our nights are some of the, if not the most important times to guard because we're in a hypnagogic state, right? So if somebody wants to, um, really take responsibility for their life. They want to cultivate vitality. They want to know their true nature.

What would be an example of a bedtime routine or something like at nighttime that can really help us guard that space?

What would be an example of a bedtime routine or something like at nighttime that can really help us guard that space?

What would be an example of a bedtime routine or something like at nighttime that can really help us guard that space?

it really just sounds like utilizing whether it's 30 minutes or an hour before bed to really transition your state, right? Because you're going to marinate in whatever that state you last were awake in. And that builds momentum in ways we don't even realize how much it builds momentum. And then we wake up in ways we're not even privy to. It's going to continue to infuse that energy

it really just sounds like utilizing whether it's 30 minutes or an hour before bed to really transition your state, right? Because you're going to marinate in whatever that state you last were awake in. And that builds momentum in ways we don't even realize how much it builds momentum. And then we wake up in ways we're not even privy to. It's going to continue to infuse that energy

it really just sounds like utilizing whether it's 30 minutes or an hour before bed to really transition your state, right? Because you're going to marinate in whatever that state you last were awake in. And that builds momentum in ways we don't even realize how much it builds momentum. And then we wake up in ways we're not even privy to. It's going to continue to infuse that energy

And so it's like, if we want to live a life filled with joy and gratitude, then releasing, which is that forgiveness stage, which you first said, those chains and ties we have to people, events, and situations in which we have resistance to throughout our day.

And so it's like, if we want to live a life filled with joy and gratitude, then releasing, which is that forgiveness stage, which you first said, those chains and ties we have to people, events, and situations in which we have resistance to throughout our day.

And so it's like, if we want to live a life filled with joy and gratitude, then releasing, which is that forgiveness stage, which you first said, those chains and ties we have to people, events, and situations in which we have resistance to throughout our day.

I want to ask you a little bit more about forgiveness because in many ways, it's almost like the last illusion because we always think it's like me, I am forgiving the other person, but really it's like this inner process of letting go. Right. And, and just, continuing to not perpetuate the state of pain within us. So yeah, what do you think about what forgiveness and that point really is?

I want to ask you a little bit more about forgiveness because in many ways, it's almost like the last illusion because we always think it's like me, I am forgiving the other person, but really it's like this inner process of letting go. Right. And, and just, continuing to not perpetuate the state of pain within us. So yeah, what do you think about what forgiveness and that point really is?

I want to ask you a little bit more about forgiveness because in many ways, it's almost like the last illusion because we always think it's like me, I am forgiving the other person, but really it's like this inner process of letting go. Right. And, and just, continuing to not perpetuate the state of pain within us. So yeah, what do you think about what forgiveness and that point really is?

Amazing. So like, you know, scanning our minds, scanning our emotions from the day, you know, what are the most prevalent things that come up, cutting those cords, so to speak, letting them go. Giving forth. Forgiveness is giving forth.

Amazing. So like, you know, scanning our minds, scanning our emotions from the day, you know, what are the most prevalent things that come up, cutting those cords, so to speak, letting them go. Giving forth. Forgiveness is giving forth.

Amazing. So like, you know, scanning our minds, scanning our emotions from the day, you know, what are the most prevalent things that come up, cutting those cords, so to speak, letting them go. Giving forth. Forgiveness is giving forth.

So then that moves into the second part, which is essentially visualizing, energetically embracing the state that you want to see more of, you know, come into your life. And so have you gone back and forth, whether it's like visualizing a specific scenario event with people in a situation, or is it really just the energy?

So then that moves into the second part, which is essentially visualizing, energetically embracing the state that you want to see more of, you know, come into your life. And so have you gone back and forth, whether it's like visualizing a specific scenario event with people in a situation, or is it really just the energy?

So then that moves into the second part, which is essentially visualizing, energetically embracing the state that you want to see more of, you know, come into your life. And so have you gone back and forth, whether it's like visualizing a specific scenario event with people in a situation, or is it really just the energy?

Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I've, I've more recently been experiencing with this, um, just like sleep in general, man, from, from lucid dreams to the time before bed and, uh, Before bed, having a committed 20 to 30 minute practice, just to transition and get any change of the day, if anything was picked up or whatever, and just really reset the body, the nervous system.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I've, I've more recently been experiencing with this, um, just like sleep in general, man, from, from lucid dreams to the time before bed and, uh, Before bed, having a committed 20 to 30 minute practice, just to transition and get any change of the day, if anything was picked up or whatever, and just really reset the body, the nervous system.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I've, I've more recently been experiencing with this, um, just like sleep in general, man, from, from lucid dreams to the time before bed and, uh, Before bed, having a committed 20 to 30 minute practice, just to transition and get any change of the day, if anything was picked up or whatever, and just really reset the body, the nervous system.

I get a bougie version of it as I lay on a PEMF mat. I put my legs up against the wall and it's like a vagus nerve device. I have my earthing. Yeah. Put my legs up. Yeah, all of that. I like these binaural beats, too, from NuCalm. And I just kind of stack it all together and just go into this practice with, like, some breath.

I get a bougie version of it as I lay on a PEMF mat. I put my legs up against the wall and it's like a vagus nerve device. I have my earthing. Yeah. Put my legs up. Yeah, all of that. I like these binaural beats, too, from NuCalm. And I just kind of stack it all together and just go into this practice with, like, some breath.

I get a bougie version of it as I lay on a PEMF mat. I put my legs up against the wall and it's like a vagus nerve device. I have my earthing. Yeah. Put my legs up. Yeah, all of that. I like these binaural beats, too, from NuCalm. And I just kind of stack it all together and just go into this practice with, like, some breath.

And, man, it's amazing how that transforms your sleep and how you wake up. Absolutely.

And, man, it's amazing how that transforms your sleep and how you wake up. Absolutely.

And, man, it's amazing how that transforms your sleep and how you wake up. Absolutely.

It's amazing. It's a good reminder, I think, you know, because sometimes we... Right use of technology. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Amazing, man. That's great. I think, you know, would you say is there another predominant amplifier?

It's amazing. It's a good reminder, I think, you know, because sometimes we... Right use of technology. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Amazing, man. That's great. I think, you know, would you say is there another predominant amplifier?

It's amazing. It's a good reminder, I think, you know, because sometimes we... Right use of technology. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Amazing, man. That's great. I think, you know, would you say is there another predominant amplifier?

Like in terms of, I think, sleep and like your morning kind of, you know, ritual or how you feel when you wake up and how you get into those states are probably some of the most important things.

Like in terms of, I think, sleep and like your morning kind of, you know, ritual or how you feel when you wake up and how you get into those states are probably some of the most important things.

Like in terms of, I think, sleep and like your morning kind of, you know, ritual or how you feel when you wake up and how you get into those states are probably some of the most important things.

But for somebody that is in a phase where they realize they've been constricting their own potential, and as you said, the universe is in resistance to that in which we're constricting, if you had one other kind of practice that you've found really supportive?

But for somebody that is in a phase where they realize they've been constricting their own potential, and as you said, the universe is in resistance to that in which we're constricting, if you had one other kind of practice that you've found really supportive?

But for somebody that is in a phase where they realize they've been constricting their own potential, and as you said, the universe is in resistance to that in which we're constricting, if you had one other kind of practice that you've found really supportive?

And then you just got to taste it and you hit all five of them.

And then you just got to taste it and you hit all five of them.

And then you just got to taste it and you hit all five of them.

I feel like on the process of that, in the process of actualizing our potential from the formless into the form you know from these states of the imaginative and the feeling to the physical um it feels like inevitably along with that comes a change in relationships people come and go they will just drop out of your life i'm just curious how do you feel like wisdom relates to this energy of

I feel like on the process of that, in the process of actualizing our potential from the formless into the form you know from these states of the imaginative and the feeling to the physical um it feels like inevitably along with that comes a change in relationships people come and go they will just drop out of your life i'm just curious how do you feel like wisdom relates to this energy of

I feel like on the process of that, in the process of actualizing our potential from the formless into the form you know from these states of the imaginative and the feeling to the physical um it feels like inevitably along with that comes a change in relationships people come and go they will just drop out of your life i'm just curious how do you feel like wisdom relates to this energy of

people, you know, that maybe were, you know, in your life for, lack of a better term, for a season or a reason, but not for, you know, another lifetime.

people, you know, that maybe were, you know, in your life for, lack of a better term, for a season or a reason, but not for, you know, another lifetime.

people, you know, that maybe were, you know, in your life for, lack of a better term, for a season or a reason, but not for, you know, another lifetime.

For those of us that are in the so-called arena of life where maybe we're more in the public image, we're utilizing social media and technology for our message to be amplified out in the world, it's inevitable that criticism and praise are going to be a factor that we have to relate to, right?

For those of us that are in the so-called arena of life where maybe we're more in the public image, we're utilizing social media and technology for our message to be amplified out in the world, it's inevitable that criticism and praise are going to be a factor that we have to relate to, right?

For those of us that are in the so-called arena of life where maybe we're more in the public image, we're utilizing social media and technology for our message to be amplified out in the world, it's inevitable that criticism and praise are going to be a factor that we have to relate to, right?

Again, because you've been in this game for a while and you've also worked with some of the biggest names in the world, and you've seen how it can really tear down people if they don't have that connection with themselves. Right. What wisdom have you gleaned from how to navigate the praise and blame?

Again, because you've been in this game for a while and you've also worked with some of the biggest names in the world, and you've seen how it can really tear down people if they don't have that connection with themselves. Right. What wisdom have you gleaned from how to navigate the praise and blame?

Again, because you've been in this game for a while and you've also worked with some of the biggest names in the world, and you've seen how it can really tear down people if they don't have that connection with themselves. Right. What wisdom have you gleaned from how to navigate the praise and blame?

You wouldn't say that if you didn't know yourself too, right? So it's like, I think for those of us that really do get swayed in an aspect, whether it's online in a bigger scale or, you know, our communities and local friend groups, to the degree we don't know ourselves, then we'll believe the lies other people tell, right?

You wouldn't say that if you didn't know yourself too, right? So it's like, I think for those of us that really do get swayed in an aspect, whether it's online in a bigger scale or, you know, our communities and local friend groups, to the degree we don't know ourselves, then we'll believe the lies other people tell, right?

You wouldn't say that if you didn't know yourself too, right? So it's like, I think for those of us that really do get swayed in an aspect, whether it's online in a bigger scale or, you know, our communities and local friend groups, to the degree we don't know ourselves, then we'll believe the lies other people tell, right?

Because it's like, if I criticize you for something or if I name call you or say something about your character, if there's a part of you that believes it to be true, that's how we get offended, right?

Because it's like, if I criticize you for something or if I name call you or say something about your character, if there's a part of you that believes it to be true, that's how we get offended, right?

Because it's like, if I criticize you for something or if I name call you or say something about your character, if there's a part of you that believes it to be true, that's how we get offended, right?

One of the last things I'm curious about is that like, the more we live life, God willing, we have a long and bountiful life. And we see that there's patterns that emerge. There are like these cycles and seasons of life where at different phases and different times, different things are required of us. And some of those might be more solitude times. We're spending a lot of alone time.

One of the last things I'm curious about is that like, the more we live life, God willing, we have a long and bountiful life. And we see that there's patterns that emerge. There are like these cycles and seasons of life where at different phases and different times, different things are required of us. And some of those might be more solitude times. We're spending a lot of alone time.

One of the last things I'm curious about is that like, the more we live life, God willing, we have a long and bountiful life. And we see that there's patterns that emerge. There are like these cycles and seasons of life where at different phases and different times, different things are required of us. And some of those might be more solitude times. We're spending a lot of alone time.