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Chapter 1: What is discussed about brain health in this episode?
Most people don't care about their brains. Why? You can't see it. You can see the wrinkles in your skin, fat around your belly. Why don't we screen our brain? How do you know unless you look? Right.
You're against drinking in its entirety, correct?
Chapter 2: Why is Dr. Daniel Amen against alcohol?
Well, anything that increases the risk of seven different types of cancer, I'm against. I want energy, memory, focus. I want passion. Well, alcohol just doesn't fit.
I hate alcohol, right?
Chapter 3: How does Dr. Amen view mental health as brain health?
hated the term mental illness, it's shaming. It's stigmatizing. So what if mental health was really brain health? And that's the revolution that I'm trying to create.
Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. This is the podcast for real and raw conversations from the stories you haven't heard to the curiosities that we all share. Dr. Daniel Amen, world-renowned psychiatrist, brain expert, and number one New York Times bestselling author is joining me today, and we are diving deep.
He's scanned over 200,000 brains, worked with the biggest names in Hollywood and sports, and he's completely changed how we think about brain health. We're getting into it all. Parenting, relationships, and yes, he's seen the inside of my brain. What did he find? What does it mean? And how can you rewire your brain to change your life?
So I've had the pleasure and the privilege of meeting you through my sister, Kendall. And we actually went to your clinic in Encino. And I got to get my brain scanned by you. And it was such a privilege. And you were on our show, Kardashians. And... That was so significant. I feel like so many people from watching the show, I saw so much of the commentary.
So many people had no idea that you could do scans on your brain. And I think people think you have to have an injury in order to do something like that or be, I don't know, a football player or be in a car accident along those lines. And it is... such a blessing i know you started this in the 70s and this is your life mission but
I don't know, just what I really want to come across in this conversation is the importance of brain imaging. And I think I was listening to either your TED Talk or something else, and it really resonated with me that every other doctor, if they're a cardiologist, they're analyzing imaging of the heart.
If they're an ear, nose, and throat doctor, they're looking at imaging for ear, nose, and throat or checking down your throat visually. And You're the only type of doctor where they weren't doing brain scans. And you were like, well, how does that make sense? Why am I advising you or prescribing you medication, but I don't really know what part of the brain is hurting?
And that, I don't know why I didn't realize that before until you said that.
You said that so well.
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Chapter 4: What is Dr. Amen's approach to brain scans and psychiatry?
Because if you don't look, then you don't know, was it the car accident when you were 16 that contributed to being sad? Or was it because your brain works too hard because you had a sexual assault? Or was it because you live in a mold-filled home?
you just don't know and when i started looking at the brain it changed absolutely everything in my life um if one of my kids dates somebody new they're going to be scanned oh i love that and my 21 year old Chloe, who is in love, and I love her boy. But he played football. And so, yes, we have to look at his brain.
Are any of them ever opposed to being scanned?
No.
Oh, good.
Because they realize if you're in my family, the brain matters. Right. Right. And so it's just something you do. And I was married once before and I got divorced 25 years ago. And if I was ever going to get married again, the first naked part of her I wanted to see was her brain. And Tana and I have been together for 20 years. I scanned her
literally three weeks after we met each other and nobody thinks about it right you go to a marital therapist a relationship therapist and no one's looking at the brain which is just crazy you're so right but
So many things I admire about you, but specifically, I think the empathy you have for the position that you're in. I think you know what responsibility you hold for people, but to say that, and I'm paraphrasing, so excuse me, that you've thrown um, so many darts at the dark diagnosing people. And it's some of them, you might've hurt some of your patients by misdiagnosing medications to them.
And I don't know if that many doctors respectfully, but would admit something like that. And I think that's such a beautiful thing to say and how you don't believe in a one size fits all for a medication or an ailment and that you're looking at the brain and You can have ADHD, for example, and I've seen some of your scans, but they could be in different parts of the brain, correct?
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Chapter 5: How can brain imaging prevent Alzheimer's?
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I mean, it is interesting. Obviously, our heart's an organ, our brain's an organ. But you're right. There is not so much isolated attention on the brain as there is. Are your arteries clogged? Do you have heart issues, stomach problems? I feel like we focus on all these other things, but our brain seems to be neglected way more than the other organs. At least that's the way I perceive it.
And I went and took your scan. It was so easy, if not almost enjoyable, because we had to do the online test and I had to beat the clock and I was very competitive. So I was like, no. And so for me, it was almost fun to do that part. But I still was like, I got to do better. And then I went back. I got scanned by you. What was that, 30 minutes? Yeah, it's not a long process to do whatsoever.
Painless, absolutely nothing like that. I played a video game that I would say with my eyes, right?
You did a CPT, so we started the IV because it involves a radiopharmaceutical that lights up your brain. And after we started the IV, you took a continuous performance test, which is a 15-minute test of attention, which you actually scored well on. And every time you see a letter, you hit the space bar. Except when you see the letter X. You have to inhibit that.
But you feel like you're playing a game. It's not scary.
No, it's not scary.
And instantly...
We do little kids and old people, and we've now done 260,000 scans on people from 155 countries. Is that not incredible? But it starts a love affair with your own brain. And most people don't care about their brain cells. And in 1991, I didn't care about my own brain. I'm a double board certified psychiatrist, board certified in general psychiatry, child and adolescent psychiatry.
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Chapter 6: What is the impact of COVID and other diseases on brain health?
It happens that quickly. Wow. And on an antibiotic... Adriana got her life back and then ended up finishing high school, graduated from Pepperdine, got a master's degree from the University of London. And today she's normal.
But what a testament to the mother as well, because so many people don't know what to do. And I think that's why I'm so honored that, I mean, you're so incredible on social media. I need you to know that. I was talking to my mom about that. And it's so exciting that I get to have someone as knowledgeable and profound as you.
But there's so many takeaways that people can receive from an episode like this, because we understand what you're saying. And there. And that's the same thing on your social media. It's so incredible how, yes, I know, you know, all the big words and all the medical terms, but you're just, you're so relatable and there's so many takeaways that people can receive.
And I think you make people feel safe with you and maybe because you've been doing it for so long, but you also give people so much hope where so many people don't just say, well,
here here's this prescription take this and we'll see you in six months and see if it works now i work really hard to say things as simply as i can because i never want the words to get in the way and we have a high school course called brain thrive by 25 i'm so excited about it And it was studied. So it's 12 weeks, 24 hours.
We teach middle schoolers, high schoolers to love and care for their brain.
Oh, I love that.
And it decreases drug, alcohol, and tobacco use, decreases depression. and it improves self-esteem. And that's the answer to this epidemic problem. And people go, oh, it's social media. And yeah, social media is part of it. And oh, it's our ultra-processed foods. Yeah, and that's part of it. But nobody loves and cares for their brain.
If you love and care for it because you realize that's your future, you're just less likely to smoke pot, which is not innocuous, right? That's the messaging is it's innocuous. You're less likely to drink. Alcohol is not a health food. You're suspicious about psilocybin, which is now it's the most common question I get asked when I lecture. You know, what do you think about magic mushrooms?
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