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Radical Kindness

04 Aug 2025

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Why do some people risk their own lives to help another person, or give away their fortunes for the benefit of strangers? This week, we talk with psychologist and neuroscientist Abigail Marsh, who studies the science of altruism. We'll explore what's known about the brains of people who perform acts of remarkable selflessness, and how the rest of us can learn to be more like them. Do you have follow-up questions, comments, or stories about altruism and generosity after listening to this episode? If you'd be comfortable sharing with the Hidden Brain audience, please record a voice memo on your phone and email it to us at [email protected]. Use the subject line “generosity.” And if you liked today's conversation, please check out our sister podcast, "My Unsung Hero." You can find the show on this podcast platform, or by visiting our website: https://hiddenbrain.org/myunsunghero/The Hidden Brain tour heads to Toronto on Wednesday, August 6! Join Shankar there or at one of our upcoming stops in Baltimore, Washington, D.C., or Los Angeles. More info and tickets here: https://hiddenbrain.org/tour/  

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0.031 - 29.218 Shankar Vedantam

This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam. In April 2017, a woman hurried to step off a subway train in the Bronx just as the doors were closing. New Yorkers pull off such near escapes every day, but this passenger was not so lucky. The subway doors pinned her in place, half in, half out of the car. What happened next was deeply unnerving. It wasn't that the subway train started moving.

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29.659 - 51.744 Shankar Vedantam

With one of its doors partially open, the train was not going to leave the station. No, the shocking thing, visible in a cell phone video recorded at the scene, was the sight of people walking past the trapped woman. The woman was walking off the train when the doors closed on her. And no one walking by seems to notice or care. Instead of helping, one witness recorded it.

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52.265 - 55.671 Shankar Vedantam

Once the video went viral, horrified reactions poured in.

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55.651 - 57.514 Cory Booker

Like, how could somebody just pass by that?

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57.534 - 61.22 Shankar Vedantam

People just caught in their own head. They want to do their own thing. Like, you know, I don't have time.

61.28 - 65.226 Hidden Brain station/intro (unknown voice)

What does that say about New Yorkers? I would be flailing and freaking out.

65.747 - 91.028 Shankar Vedantam

In time, a subway employee got the doors open, released the woman, and allowed her to go on her way. But for those who saw evidence of her lonely plight, a question lingered. A person is suffering, clearly in need of help, and those who see her simply walk by. Is this what we can expect from human nature, callous indifference and heartlessness? Or is there more to the story?

98.46 - 140.879 Shankar Vedantam

This week on Hidden Brain, the science of altruism, why some human beings perform acts of extraordinary selflessness, and how the rest of us can learn to be more like them. No matter who we are, no matter how physically strong we may be, and no matter how many resources we have, all of us will need the help of others at some point. In the hour of crisis, will someone extend a hand?

141.94 - 154.711 Shankar Vedantam

Abigail Marsh is a psychologist and neuroscientist at Georgetown University. She has long been interested in why people help one another and also why they don't. Abby Marsh, welcome to Hidden Brain.

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