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Joan Baez / Suze Rotolo / Al Kooper On Dylan

Fri, 10 Jan 2025

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A Complete Unknown – the film about Bob Dylan is in theaters. We're featuring interviews with three people depicted in the film: Suze Rotolo was his girlfriend and was photographed on his arm for the cover of The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan. She told Terry about that photoshoot. Folk singer Joan Baez was already a star when she met Dylan. She took him on tour, but nobody knew who he was. She talks about some of those early shows. And Al Kooper was a session musician who played the organ on "Like a Rolling Stone."Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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0.449 - 24.07 David Bianculli

This is Fresh Air. I'm David Bianculli. A Complete Unknown, the new film about Bob Dylan's early career, starring Timothee Chalamet, is out in theaters. Today, we hear from three of the people who were depicted in the film. First, Suze Rodolo, who was Dylan's girlfriend and his muse. She met him when she was 17 and he was 20, and they soon moved in together in Greenwich Village.

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24.79 - 47.286 David Bianculli

they shared a love of poetry and an abundant curiosity. At the time, the village was the center of the urban folk scene. Rodolo was the young woman arm-in-arm with Dylan in the now-famous cover photo from his album The Freewheeling Bob Dylan. Here's a scene from the film. The girlfriend, named Sylvie, based partly on Rodolo, is played by Elle Fanning.

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48.247 - 75.131 Character from the film

Think about how much I'm going to miss you. And I realized... I don't know you. There's a face on your driver's license. He's different. That's a different name. When I get back, I'd like to get to know that guy. Don't do this, Sylvie. You wrote a five-minute song about this girl in Minneapolis. Who was that? What happened? You tell me you dropped out of college.

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75.151 - 76.271 Character from the film

I didn't drop out of college.

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76.311 - 92.483 Character from the film

You came here with nothing but a guitar. You never talk about your family, your past, besides the carnivals. People make up their past, Sylvie. They remember what they want. They forget the rest. I tell you everything. My folks, my sister, the street I grew up on. Yeah, and I never asked you about any of it. What, you think that stuff defines you?

92.503 - 97.847 Character from the film

What I come from? What I want and what I don't want? What I reject? Yes.

99.548 - 118.916 David Bianculli

Suze Rodolo became an artist and taught at the Parsons School of Design. She married and had a son. In 2011, she died from lung cancer at the age of 67. Three years before that, she spoke to Terry Gross on the occasion of the publication of her memoir, A Freewheel in Time, a memoir of Greenwich Village in the 60s.

120.618 - 140.691 Terry Gross

Suze Rodolo, welcome to Fresh Air and thanks for being here. Thank you. You met Dylan at a marathon folk concert at the Riverside Church in New York in 1961. He wasn't well known yet. He'd only recently arrived in Greenwich Village. You'd already been living there. What attracted you to him then? What did you know of him when you first started seeing him?

142.256 - 164.487 Suze Rotolo

Well, there was a folk music club, Gertie's Folk City, in the village, and I used to go there. And he was performing with other people, or he'd play backup harmonica for other groups. And it was the kind of place where musicians played with other people. And then he gradually started playing with this one other folk singer, Mark Spolstra.

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