Founder's Story
20+ Million Users Strong: Bootstrapped Journey of Aytekin Tank Founder of Jotform and Its AI Agent Evolution | S2 Ep. 157
Fri, 13 Dec 2024
In this episode of Founders Story, we sit down with Aytekin Tank, the entrepreneur behind the popular online form builder Jotform. Aytekin shares his journey from discovering a key market gap nearly two decades ago—when online forms were a major hassle—to building a thriving, bootstrapped SaaS company serving over twenty-five million users worldwide. He offers invaluable lessons on patience, customer-centric development, and how continuous innovation around customer needs led to Jotform’s robust ecosystem of workflow tools. Finally, Aytekin gives us an exciting preview of Jotform’s newest leap into the future: AI agents that will transform how businesses interact with customers, gather data, and handle tasks autonomously around the clock.Key Topics Discussed:The Entrepreneurial Spark:Aytekin’s early inspiration from building open-source tools in college.Realizing the thrill of seeing people use his creations.How the dot-com era and working full-time at a media company exposed him to the critical need for easy-to-build online forms.Founding Jotform:The core problem: Web editors needed custom forms—no easy tool existed.The decision to bootstrap the business rather than seek investment.Transitioning from a free product to a paid offering and the validation that came from the first paying customers.Slow, Steady Growth and Scaling:Understanding that success in SaaS often doesn’t happen overnight.How Jotform grew very slowly for the first five years (one new hire per year).Maintaining patience, listening to user feedback, and evolving the product based on actual customer needs.Expanding Beyond Forms:Recognizing that forms are just the first step in countless business processes.Developing additional features and products: e-signatures, document generation, workflow approvals, and integration with other tools.Constant user research and interviews lead to a comprehensive suite of productivity solutions.AI Agents – The Next Frontier:Jotform’s ambitious move into AI, starting from a small in-house team to a dedicated staff of over a hundred working on AI Agents.How AI Agents differ from chatbots—agents take action on behalf of users, handle tasks autonomously, and learn from feedback.Envisioning a future where businesses (large and small) and individuals deploy AI Agents to handle customer inquiries, sales, support, and more—even while the owners sleep.The February 2025 release of Jotform AI Agents and the potential it holds for revolutionizing business operations.Empowering Entrepreneurs and Small Businesses:How AI Agents can level the playing field for small businesses and solo founders.The possibility of building highly efficient, large-scale ventures with minimal human staff by leveraging AI-driven processes.How to Get Involved:Learn more and join the waitlist for Jotform AI Agents at jotform.com/ai.Visit AytekinTank.com to connect, read the first chapter of his book, or try out his personal AI agent.Resources & Links:Jotform Website: https://www.jotform.com/Jotform AI Waitlist: https://www.jotform.com/aiAytekin Tank’s Website & Book: https://aytekintank.com/Takeaways:Bootstrapping requires patience, a keen ear for customer feedback, and the willingness to evolve.True growth often comes from understanding the “why” behind user actions and expanding your product suite accordingly.AI and agentic technology stand poised to dramatically streamline how businesses operate, fostering round-the-clock customer engagement and support.Our Sponsors:* Check out Indeed: https://indeed.com/FOUNDERSSTORY* Check out Northwest Registered Agent and use my code FOUNDERS for a great deal: https://northwestregisteredagent.com* Check out Plus500: https://plus500.com* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com
Chapter 1: What inspired Aytekin Tank to become an entrepreneur?
So it started as an open source product that I released it to the world. And that actually is like the first time I kind of experienced something seeing people using my product. And that was really exciting. I loved seeing people using my product.
And people actually started, it was a free product, but people started sending me checks to make changes on it, like just customize it for them or something. And that really triggered that entrepreneurship mindset. But I had no confidence in myself. So I found a full-time job. I graduated college. I found a full-time job in New York working for this media company. I worked there for five years.
But during this time, like I continue to, uh, develop my products and learn from that. But what's really, uh, uh, helped me like really go full time and start my, my own business, like job form. That's like two decades ago, lost to, uh, And seeing how our editors needed forms all the time. They were constantly asking me to create forms for them. I was a programmer.
And after the dot-com bubble busted, our team was actually very small. We went from 20 people to five people. And, like, just they needed all kinds of forms, like payment forms, compact forms, questionnaires, surveys. Like, they were running contests. They needed forms for that. So, like, just I saw the need and I saw that there was no product that could actually.
And actually, my initial thought was, like, if I can find a product that could take this away from me. that I didn't have to do it. So I searched for the product. I did my market research, and I couldn't find a good product. There was a survey market, but that could only do surveys. So that's when I knew that this is a good market because there's a big need, and people are going online.
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Chapter 2: How did Jotform start and what problem did it solve?
People need forms online. So, you know, I quit my job and started JobForm that, you know, I released JobForm in 2006. That's almost two decades ago. It's amazing.
You know, there's a problem. You want to solve the problem. You did some market research, right? You didn't have to go hire a market research company. You figured out this is something that could be. And you knew that based on the people that you around the job that you had before is where you found the problem.
I'm a huge proponent around keeping a job until you get to a certain point where you can quit and go all in. on the business. That's an experience that I've had. I think that's going to inspire a lot of people who also are entrepreneurs where they want to solve this problem. So let's fast forward to when you started getting traction. How did you know that? Okay, I quit my job. I'm going all in.
I'm making job form. I'm starting to see some success. Was there like a tipping point where you said, you know what? This is going to be massive.
I would say, like, in the beginning, I released it as a free product because I wanted to see, I wanted to actually test it. Like, if people really needed this, if there was a need and, like, how can I get feedback from users? So, and I released it completely free February 2006. And then people actually started signing up, using the product.
I had this public forum as my support, and I was the only support person. People would ask all these questions. They would report bugs. They would request features. And my answer was like, it's done. It's ready. Just a couple of hours later, I would do whatever they needed, just respond back to them. And I completed that. And that kind of gave me the idea that this is really going to work.
The first year, it was all free. And the second year, like 2007, I decided, okay, let's release a premium version. I hired my first employee. We worked on the premium paid version for a while. We added some features, some cool features, and we added some limits to the free version. And then when we released that, that was like 2007, March. So far, we had like 15,000 users.
And then I was able to get like 500 of them upgraded to the paid version. It was only like $9 per month, but that was still... I knew that if I can get like 500 customers, that's the point that I knew that this is a business. This is going to be like a reliable business. It's going to be a successful business. I didn't know how big it would be.
Just to give you one example, I created this document, and the title was How to Get to 1 Million Users. And I wrote as a subtitle, I know that we will probably never get to 1 million users, but this is like a brain exercise, just a brainstorming exercise. And a year later, I was just searching for something else, like
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Jotform face in its early growth?
That actually tells me that I never was sure how big we could get. So today we have 25 million users. We have like 700 employees, you know, offices around the world in seven different cities. So we got pretty big compared to that early days. Like, you know, the first five years, the first year I'm like, you know, I started my staff.
I had my first employee, second year, like I had my second employee. So the first five years, like we were just growing one employee per year. Just we were at like five employees at the fifth year. And that's how slow the growth was at the beginning. And I think in many SaaS businesses, that's the case, because especially if you're bootstrapping, So you don't have funds to hire more people.
You go much more slowly. But the great thing is like you have the independence, you have the freedom to kind of choose your own path and, you know, take long vacations if you would like. You know, it just it's less stressful. And so and, you know, when I mentor startups, like most of the time, like, you know, they are saying like, hey, look, look at us like, you know, we are not growing.
And I compare them to where we were like, hey, you are in third year. You know, you already have like five employees. You have this many users. I was actually I wasn't that big back then, like when I was on my third year. So it's just, I think it's about patience and persistence, especially in a bootstrap businesses.
And if you can have that, if you can keep that focus on your product, if you continue to listen to your customers, because they tell you what you should be working on, they tell you what they need. And we always had that focus, like patience. It's going to be like 19 years now. And that's always number one priority, like, you know, what the users need and what kind of feedback they give us.
And then we just follow that feedback and they show us the path. And I think that's one of the great things about bootstrapping, because you don't have these investors that you need to ask for feedback. or build features for them or their ideas, you have your customers to answer. And they pay you by their hard-earned cash to tell you what you should be working on.
And that's much more valuable than anybody else.
Wow, I mean, what an incredible story where you continued even at the five-year mark going very slow. And then you hit this tipping point and you had millions of users. Your first few hundred people were paying you and you really knew you were onto something. I think that's really great around the bootstrap mentality.
I think a lot of SaaS, at least the founders that we've had or people I've spoken to, because they had to raise money, they were really forced to look at how fast they can exit or how fast they can do some sort of liquidity event because they have to give back to these people who have given them money, which makes total sense. But if you bootstrap, You can slowly get there.
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Chapter 4: How has Jotform expanded beyond basic forms?
How do you reinvent things or how do you look at things in terms of this obvious long term vision and long term mission that you have?
In the early days, I assumed that what we were doing was like we were just helping people create forms and just HTML forms. Most people actually embedded them on their websites. So I was just thinking, hey, we are this, you know, we just help them create these forms like and put them on their websites.
But over the years that we discovered that people weren't just creating forms, you know, just to put their website or just to
create forms people don't fill out forms just to fill out forms right there is actually a reason they fill out forms you're registering for something you are applying for something you are giving feedback about some product you are buying a product maybe making a purchase like there's just like so many reasons that you fill out forms
And so we have a saying at Chatform that every journey starts with a form. Basically, it's about, like, you know, there is all these, like, different business processes. There's always this, you know... workflows that are actually handled by forms. And the forms are just the first step. And people don't stop at form.
People create forms, their users fill out those forms, and then something else happens. Maybe, you know, they need to like ship an order. Maybe they need to like, maybe it's a lead form and then someone is interested in their product service. They need to get back to them. Someone is registering for an event and that needs to be tracked and like just registered. Emails needs to be sent.
Maybe e-signatures need to be signed. Like there is just like so many things that might happen after the form. So when we actually started looking at our job that way, then we said, OK, so in that case, we are just like if you think about this as a puzzle. We are just giving them the first piece.
And then they have that piece and maybe they're handling the rest of the journey manually, trying to do things, or maybe they are using different products. So what if we actually discover what else they do after people fill out these forms, right? So that's what we started to research. We have used the researches
who will just interview our customers all day long, and then they will write reports. And sometimes I just watch those interviews as well, and I learn so much from them. And basically, we discovered that they need approvals, they need auto-generated emails, they need... you know, e-signatures, they needed to create documents.
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Chapter 5: What role do AI Agents play in Jotform's future?
And we built this Airtable-like table spreadsheet product as well. So reporting tools. So we built all these different kinds of tools. And also recently, since we have been looking at our job as just getting people to automate whatever they are trying to do with the forms, we started looking into how we can use AI... just to be able to get this automated as well. Like, how can we use AI?
So that maybe even not just like the additional pieces, maybe how can we replace forms with AI, right? So that was the idea that like one and a half years ago, I started like, I had like some engineers at JustForm who had been doing AI previously to kind of catch these bad guys like phishers, spammers, They were using machine learning. So we had some in-house knowledge about AI.
So we started this project. We started working on this project together. And today, that team of three people actually turned into 120 people are actually working on this project right now. And we are going to release that in February. Basically, what we are doing is we are just replacing our product with an AI product. And we call that job from AI agents.
Basically, instead of sending someone, let's say, an event registration form, you could just give them this AI. You could give it in different ways. You could give them a chatbot. You could embed a chatbot in your website.
You can just give them a phone number and they can just call and like fill out the form by just talking to an AI and, you know, telling it like not just like filling out the form, but actually getting the question answered as well.
So this actually allows us to replace more and more of the things, not just the forums, but also being able to provide customer support, maybe do sales, all the things that can be done with an AI agent. And it's very exciting. Just the capabilities of AI is incredible. So we have been working on that recently.
Well, I took away a lot from that. It's really interesting how you've mastered one product and service, and then you have all these customers who then need more things. So you add in more products and services to fulfill the needs of those people. And then now with AI, I mean, to start from that small team to 120 people,
plus people, this obviously must be something critically important that you see for the future. I've heard from a lot of people that agentic AI could be like one of the most game changing things that will happen to us in terms of from like a business perspective. How do you see agentic AI and how that's going to be changing our daily lives and from the perspective of an entrepreneur?
So when people say AI agents or agentic, they might mean different things. But the basic idea is that the difference between chatbots and AI agent is like a chatbot is like you talk to it, you ask a question, you get an answer, right? But with an AI agent, it's actually doing things for you.
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Chapter 6: How can AI empower small businesses?
Maybe, you know, you have an AI agent that actually does, like, you know, you know, browsers the social media, browsers, like, the news, and then just returns back to you with the information you need about the world. Or in our case, maybe you use jobs from AI agents, which is going to be released in February 2025.
And you just give it a job, and then it can talk on your behalf to other people and get things done for you. Starting your business should be simple.
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Chapter 7: What are the takeaways from Aytekin's journey?
like this. I imagine a world where every organization, every business, even every person actually has this AI agent that represents them. So, let's say in the middle of the night, you're going to send your kids to a summer school, summer camp, and then you have a question in your mind, right? You cannot just call them in the middle of the night, right? You cannot ask a question, right?
But if you knew that they had an AI agent, even in the middle of the night, you could just talk to the AI agent and ask your questions and get them answers, and if they If you need to purchase something additional or something, you could just do it right away, right there and, you know, in 3 a.m. in the morning. And the great thing is, like, the owner of that small business
is actually sleeping on their bed comfortably. And they are making sales. They are answering questions without worrying about them. And the good thing is how we are building these agencies. We have some human in the loop. You can actually see all the conversations. You can give feedback to your AI agents.
You can even see live conversations happening and then if you see any issues, you can join those conversations. We have better users and sometimes people will just see their agents and then if it makes a mistake, they can just quickly connect to the person and just like correct them as well. So this actually like AI is not like 100%. And the great thing is like people are used to that.
People expect the AI to make mistakes and they're used to it. Like, because, you know, anybody who uses AI knows that it's not going to be 100%. But most of the time, humans are not underpercentage. We make all these mistakes. If we didn't sleep last night, we will say wrong things as well. We will make mistakes.
Or if you have a junior employee, they're going to give the wrong answers to the customers. And people expect AI to make mistakes as well. So people are very understanding. And the great thing is, actually, people love talking to AI. So, for example, if you're talking to a human being, you don't want to be rude. You don't want to ask too many questions.
You don't want to repeat your questions multiple times if they don't get it. At some point, you give up and just say, okay. But with AI, people are much more patient because they know they're not going to hurt their feelings like the other person. They're not embarrassed about the questions they're asking. They're much more comfortable. And if they don't get the answer, they ask again.
And so it's, it's actually, people don't have any problems. And like, and chat GPT has been out for a while now. And people are now used, used to like talking to AI, like many people are used to it. And they kind of understand how to ask their questions. They kind of know if they don't get the answer, they need to ask it in a different way. So it's actually pretty good.
I wasn't expecting this much success from AI agents. I was expecting it to feel like too much. And it's still failing. And we are just like, you know, our beta users give us permission to like watch all those conversations as well, listen to the conversations or like, you know, read the conversations. And we're like, we have three people.
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