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It's 2025!
Oh, it's so bright out here.
I just got out of my cave for the first time. Hello. Oh, here are two little winter bears who are still in winter sleep.
Oh, it's so bright out here. Actually, you wake up mammals who sleep in winter. Not even on the 19th of January. It's too early. No, no, it's all way too early.
We're still all wrinkled. Oh, you've got this one fold. You've got all this... I've put my winter on one side.
I haven't even shaken off my winter fur yet. It's still winter. Oh, I... Oh, it's cold. Hello.
Hello, dear people. We're back. Here is Fest und Flauschig. Here is your absolute favorite podcast. Here are the two winter beers. I think this winter break went by pretty quickly this time, didn't it? I don't know why that was.
Maybe because we started the winter break with a big adrenaline rush. It could also be because I had the most relaxed winter vacation of all time this year. Normally, it's always like this when I take a month off after Christmas. Then the viruses immediately begin to whittle their chance and to bring me down. But not this time. Not at all. Not even, not even, no corona, not at all.
Since you live vegan, you also notice what vegan suddenly has for positive effects, right?
Yes, no, that's not the point. I just think it's the adrenaline that pumps through me. The whole winter break was determined by adrenaline. And it was such a nice, somehow ... It was such a beautiful beginning of the year. It was so nice, quiet and very relaxed and no one in my inner circle has been sick and so on. That was really a change.
And if you can still manage to hide the news for a short time, to detox social media for a short time, you've definitely done that too, haven't you?
My new game is, I'm not as consistent as you are, you're probably not going to tell me what you've planned for this year, but I've planned from day one in the year 2025 the don't disturb mode on my iPhone so really ... And I saw that.
I was surprised when I wrote you an SMS. The moon was then there.
I thought, is Jan in Ramadan? What's going on there? No, I'm in the not disturbing mode. Because I found out, I'm happy, I'm still looking at the SMS, but I open the news app and then there are just seven SMSs in between that I haven't read yet. And otherwise I always have, when someone has SMSed me, I immediately get an ad. And I posted that. And it has nothing to do with you.
Yeah, I just don't have a message. I don't know anymore when someone writes me an SMS, but only when I consciously take the cell phone in my hand and have time, I look at it and then I see when something comes. But I have to honestly say that in the first two weeks there were also a lot of emergency SMS from the private sector. Hey, hello Jan, mom here, call back quickly.
You haven't reported, call back. So seven in a row. But then I saw that you can set that some certain contacts can break through the non-interference mode.
Yes, or that when you press on something, you still send, you still disturb. There is another function, that if it is really urgent, that you start it. But you are still extremely into it. Well, until now. Let's see how long I've been doing this. It feels good. I actually downloaded it on my first Instagram. I didn't have anything else anyway. Facebook is still on the phone, never turned on.
I pretend when I post something on my page and then again three weeks later to see that there are ten fake accounts that all people write to and say here that the private Olli Schulz Then they say again, no, that's not me. And I don't feel like playing the game anymore. Let's see how long. It doesn't mean that I will stop with social media forever.
But this year I actually announced a half-way sabbatical year for me. I have a few things, but I actually wanted to ask you. It's actually traditionally like that. At the beginning of the year you always have a motto or a theme like the year is worth for you. Or under which star does this year stand for you?
the year of action, I mean. But no one acted on it. The result is everything that has already been shit this year. We don't want to go into depth, it was actually really shit going on this year. And of course absolutely no one acted on it. Because I believe that politics or world design for people is not a service industry.
You can't sit there and say it's the year of action and someone will act for you. But that was actually intended as a challenge. And I think I expressed that too abstractly. That's why I would announce the motto of the year at the end of this show. I would make it a little more concrete. The year of action definitely didn't work.
And it's all what happened, what you feared happened, and it's terrible. And the bad thing is, you get used to bad news. And you start to let yourself be gaslighted by the world. It's still being cut off a little bit and still a little bit more and still a little bit more. Then you have another week of time to recognize it as a new normality. Then something crazy happens and something crazy again.
And I think you have to get out of this cycle somehow this year. Get out of the cycle. That's a good example. Maybe, but we're at six minutes. I don't know where this is going, where this show is going. But I brought a nice topic with me right at the beginning. A historical topic, because I have ... It might be the same for you. I have so many big question marks in my head.
Things that I thought about, but never had a result. And I just forgot. I live near the Rhine. I'm in West Germany. I'm looking out the window, it's snowing in West Germany. Today it's snowing, at least at the time of recording this podcast. Whether it's snowing on the 19th of January, I don't know. But there is a dominant river here, the German river, the Rhine.
And the Rhine has a really hard current, it flows into the sea, that is, it goes from Cologne, Düsseldorf to the sea, and it's a hard current. If you drive opposite, i.e. drive uphill, towards France, the Rhine, high, It needs a lot of petrol, it's super exhausting. I've always wondered, the Rhine is such a historic shipping road. For thousands of years, the Rhine has been used.
That you can simply throw a piece of wood from Koblenz into the water and then it comes out in Rotterdam, that's clear, you don't need a motor for that. But like everything in the world, it was used as a shipping road thousands of years ago with this fucking current. And now I've found out something. I was in the small fortress town of Zons am Rhein before Christmas.
And I've been living in the Rhineland for 25 years, at least partly, and I've never been there. I couldn't believe it at all. Have you ever been to Zons? No, never heard of it. Z-O-N-S. It's really from my home near Cologne. It's... 20 minutes with the car. When I was there, I was ashamed for half an hour that I wasn't there much longer.
That's a medieval, a medieval city of war, completely, fortunately, untouched. No bomb fell on it. French crew, all shit, whatever. It's between Cologne and Düsseldorf, by noise. And an old medieval town with an incredible fortress, a city wall. You imagine yourself as in the deepest Middle Ages, so really a medieval city in western Germany, where not so much is left.
So that it is now beautiful in Görlitz and in East Germany is clear, but Zons, an old Roman fortress that was built into a medieval city. And an important trading street in the past, or an important trading place, a customs place. And there I read in the Heimatmuseum, I was there before Christmas, on the Christmas market, it was beautiful, a great trip.
I heard something and read what I heard on the edge and thought, maybe you've heard it before, the word treideln. Do you know what that is? I know Jördi Streidl, the actress. No, her name is Triebel. No, Streidl. So watch out. And it's on many rivers. Is it something rotten? No, it's nothing rotten at all. Unlike you, who sends me sex practices from the KitKat Club with Wikipedia articles.
I want to start the year with a little culture and history.
Is Streidl how much, that you somehow put three walnuts under the floor?
No, watch out, watch out. Es ist super einfach von, keine Ahnung, vom Bodensee oder von Freiburg aus oder meinetwegen von Basel über den Rhein zur Nordsee zu kommen. Also man konnte quasi Holz aus dem Süden Deutschlands auf dem Rhein nach oben transportieren, nach Norden, nach Holland und so weiter.
Schwieriger ist es aber mit den Handelsgütern aus den niederländischen Kolonien gewesen oder auch aus... From the north to the south, because the Rhine has such a current and many other rivers too. But there is the sailing technique of the Trident and it is really true. From Kleve on the Lower Rhine, the current of the Rhine was so strong that the horses took over there.
That means the ships... The horses walked on the shore, they had the ropes. And not just for ten years, but for thousands of years. But not always the same horses.
They were really good. They were already vegan at that time. They got very old. The ships could sail to Kleve, then the current was too strong. That's why the Vikings never came in, for example, until...
to Cologne, but for them it was too crazy. The Vikings came to Paris. You could sail in there. The Seine wasn't strong enough, but the Rhine kept the Vikings away, at least to Kleve. And from there, on the edge of the river, left and right of the Rhine, there were paths and then you had to pay fees and just tie ropes to the ships.
And horses have the fucking ships, the whole of Kleve, but really far down. You were then pulled along all the rows.
There was then such a fat line, from here the horses take over.
Ah, exactly.
You have a good show title already.
From here the horses take over. Imagine that. And that was a real job. That was an industry. That's kind of like... The motorway racing industry today, from Kleve you knew, now you're in the hands of German, I don't know how to say it, German treidlers. Those were such big horses, they ran along trampolines next to the Rhine.
It was also very different at the time and then they had these fat ships, which were of course not as heavily loaded as the stone ships from the Eifel or the wood from the Schwarzwald, but they were rather light ships, but the empty ships had to get back up the Rhine. And they then pulled the ships over hundreds, almost 1,000 kilometers, the Rhine with horses.
And that every day, hundreds of ships.
That was a really blatant industry. And do you think the horses only ever have a part or have they pulled the whole way? Probably there was at some point, now take over the next horses.
Exactly.
I have no idea how big it was written at that time.
Peter, for example, would have had all hands full at that time. I think so too. I thought at first, how do they do it on bridges? If the ships have to go under a bridge, they have to be bound. But of course there were no Rhine bridges at the time. The Rhine was only to cross with a pontoon bridge or somehow with ferries. And that means they could just pull the Rhine down.
But in zones, for example, the horses were changed. And then they could rest. Then you see the Rhine again ridden up or down in the direction of Kleve. And then there were so many seasons, you know?
But they were also completely different horses. They weren't like the ones from Schockemöhle or something like that. They don't exist anymore. They had such big mammoth-stomach teeth. And really thick legs. They don't exist anymore, the horses. I'm not too surprised now, because before the invention of the steam locomotive and the swing engine, there were especially animals...
I'll just say a word. Everyone knows what I mean. Wanklmotor. Wanklmotor. What is a Wanklmotor? Isn't that an alternative to a V8? I'm on electric.
We both have no idea.
We both don't have a car type. In any case, before that, a lot of animals helped us to bring this civilization and this world into harmony. Or to do what it is now. But think about it, dude.
It's not just like that, it's not been ten years and then the car or the engine was invented, but it ran for thousands, probably tens of thousands of years, ships were trailed. And there were paths next to big rivers where horses ran on them, who had ropes on ships and then pulled them down from Kleve all the way down.
Dude! And were probably not even well paid for it.
No!
Really, no, a hard thing. But that's why it's really cool to live in the present time. Imagine you were born once in your life. There is no rebirth. Like Habe Kerkeling, that's in his book right now. Habe Kerkeling and his rebirths and stuff. So imagine you have this one life and then you know ... In the Middle Ages, it wasn't that great. It was just a hard time. You didn't get old.
We should be much happier to live in the present time. It's not the best time of all time. But I don't know, was the Middle Ages better than back then with the trident and the ferryman?
But was the Middle Ages really bad or were there just these stupid copper tricks that we play in our history books?
Of course it was the Middle Ages.
No, look, these are always pictures, these are stitches that they then have, where the figures always with such crooked hands, so from the side, it always looks like shit. But actually they were full of style and good at it back then, right? If they could have painted properly in the Middle Ages or if it hadn't been forgotten in the meantime, because the Romans also built cool busts, for example.
Oh, we're really coming here. I had the feeling that in the first 15 minutes of our podcast we wouldn't qualify for the moderation of title, thesis, temperament. Probably not. We open ourselves up to culture backwards, autodidactically.
We don't read, but we go to the local museum, see the word treideln, then fall into rabble for three weeks over Christmas and come up with a thing where people say, yeah, of course it was treidelt. Probably get mails from the Treidel Union or from Alice Treidel.
Hey, I've lived next to a historical couple for years, they were both old, in the Corona time, and they were both over 60, an incredibly charismatic, sympathetic couple. And her theme was the Middle Ages, she wrote three books about women in the Middle Ages, while he was dealing with Sparta, so really old history.
And I always found the two of them so educated that I dared to say less and less about things that I know, because I thought they already know everything. And there I could have hooked up again. Middle Ages, Middle Ages was a fascinating, gloomy time, Jan.
You can't talk about that so nicely now. But still, the people, I think about the old Rome, for example, when you walk through such an old Roman city, you think, okay, they obviously also have the concept. That was already the case with the Romans back then. They were people like us, they just didn't have the technological possibilities. But they were also capable of irony, complex communication.
They are genetically the same people as we are. They also thought about it, they didn't know that much. But I think they were also funny and cool and had jokes and graffitis. Pompeii, for example, I find fascinating. Breakdance. Breakdance, early form of breakdance. There were definitely crazy subcultures back then, they just weren't preserved.
But I can imagine... And maybe they were more with special interest. No, but they were definitely cool too. You can talk to them, let's say you would speak a language, I think you would somehow find a common ground with them. Because they were normal people. It will be difficult, I think, for the homo sapiens... Your naivety moves me to train, Jan.
You don't think so? You don't think so? I don't know. If you now come into the Middle Ages as Jan Böhmermann, there is a time machine and you are there and you say, hey guys, we can understand each other well, we are all from the same battle. I think they would say, everyone on a scheiderhaufen with the guy, who is that?
Probably, but they were absolutely, to be honest, they still believed in God and such a thing.
Oh, many people still do that in the Catholic Church. Some, 50% of the people who are in the Catholic Church believe in God.
Many educated people admit that maybe the whole thing was just a big lie, what holds the world together and what I don't want to talk too bad about, but many people, there are people who don't want to hurt the people who are religious, they say, I'm not someone who has to spit in people's faces, I don't believe in your theory of belief, but I think...
I think there were even more who believed in a lot of nonsense in the Middle Ages. And there were witches burned, all that shit. The shit was kicked on the street. They kicked on the street. You don't want to have anything to do with people who kick on the street and burn women.
On the other hand, we also believe that it is a good idea to operate unregulated social networks, where you can just write what you want and think that has no effect on our society, on politics, on our coexistence, on peace, on our health. That I have a screen time of 9 hours is somehow not normal either, right? No. Do you have a screen time of 9 hours online? 100%, of course. Per day?
Yeah, what else? You don't watch 9 hours a day. No, I think there's always an app open that always runs with it. I think the new, well, browser that I don't close or something. But I'm already suspicious of a lot of... Look, the big five things that people say in a thousand years, back then, the dark year 2025, people were so stupid, they will say that 100% about us in 500 years.
Of course they will say that.
Unless we finally manage to put humanity to the ground and eliminate everything here with the next world war, then no one will ever think how stupid they were. Then it was just stupid.
But that's what I wanted to say, I wanted to ask you, Jan, is it perhaps the case that capitalism, the comfortable life of the last 20-30 years in Germany, has made us so comfortable assholes that we only react to things where we think, oh great, you can see how people are pissing their pants or something like that, but we somehow forget that we have more and more rights and more and more Nazis somehow, that we have to fight them, to be honest, and that we have simply become too lazy.
Just like back then, what I always say, every few years I come up with it, Facebook, this one hook, personality rights, which we all didn't click in 2005, and since then all kinds of people do it, sexual things or here or pedophilia, all the shit that takes place on the internet.
It's because we didn't pay attention back then and tech millionaires just leave this game, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk and what else, Bill Gates, I don't trust him either. So everyone, you know what I mean? We haven't all paid attention.
We've been analyzing this for years now with our limited intellectual capabilities and possibilities. But how do we put the next practical step on it? So should we now try to get in touch with Burkhard Garweg and Daniela Kledde and Ernst-Folger Staub? And again, the intervention ... The interventionist, terrorist approach.
Do we want to try to convince Friedrich Merz to stop his hostility and to try to direct his energy towards strengthening democratic institutions? Do we want to find Robert Habeck offensive, even though it's a bit cringe?
All the right questions. I don't have an answer either, Jan. All the right questions. We ask the right questions, but we don't get the right answers. Then I look very strictly into the community.
2025?
It's actually the 13th year now. So with Radio 1 in the title. The golden 13th year. So I have to take a strict look at our unwell metastasized community for 13 years and say, hey guys, we're doing something here, but that's politics and world change and world design, that's not a service industry. You can't sit there and wait for the cult Olli to change the world with his concerts.
Or cult Böhm. Or cult Böhm. Speaking of concerts, I'm talking about the upcoming Rockstar, the next two weeks, very briefly.
I'm in Saarbrücken today, I don't have the time, so today on the 19th I'm in Saarbrücken, we'll take it a little earlier on the podcast, because I'm already so in tour stress. We'll even take it so far before.
My Rockstar. Yes, I'm, I have to say. This year the roles will be exchanged. I would ask you, what was there in catering, backstage, where you bummed after the show? Is there a row zero? Pfff. The whole thing, look, that's so high-profile, but you should actually make a new row zero out of a gag with people who can eat domino stones and live or something like that. But we don't do that anymore.
It's a little bit...
I would say I'll try again with anecdotal, to somehow limit it a bit, what my current feeling for the year 2025 is. Yes.
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Ich bin ins Jahr reingerutscht. Ich will gar nicht so sehr über diese Titelthesen-Temperamente-Geschichte, die hier wirklich einfach jetzt auf Wochen zurückliegt. Ich habe mir dabei aber einen größeren Gedanken gemacht und ich hoffe, dass wir vielleicht da ansetzen können. Weil was mir bei dieser ganzen TTT-Diskussion, die so Anfang des Jahres...
was so important in my peer group and where I was a bit interested in.
I only got the beginning, then I took out Instagram. I really only heard the first few statements.
I totally missed it as someone who has been in and out of these structures that produce such shows for years and works with them. I wished for structural debates and structural ideas and approaches. Because narrowing it down to a personal debate in the end is of course effective in the individual case, But somehow the problem remains.
So this uncertainty of publicly legal decision-makers, who obviously do not know exactly what they are doing there, in the good as in the bad. That's a thing that goes through a lot of institutions. And then the question of how to deal with it in the future. So political institutions, social institutions like the Public Law Journal, they suffer from lack of expertise, no desire.
People don't want to get involved in it. People who have balls, who can make clear decisions, can also stand up to their decisions, who are brave, who are angry, who want to shape something, tend to stop in such institutions, which is a problem that we have been discussing for years. But is that maybe an approach?
Would that be something where you could theoretically say, this is how you could change things step by step,
die sich überlegen, ein kleines Café aufzumachen oder nach Dubai in eine Unternehmensberatung zu gehen oder mit Krypto reich zu werden, das einfach mal kurz zur Seite stellen und sagen, nee, jetzt geht es um was Größeres, um eine Legacy, um irgendwas, was ich meinen Kindern hinterlassen möchte. Und ich gehe jetzt einfach mal, ich werde jetzt Vorsitzender des Ordnungsamtes.
Oder ich gehe, ich mache... My first state exam in law school, I apply for it so that I can get involved in politics and really try to become something in a party. Or, for example, create new parties or make an existing party better. Or to get involved in offices, in institutions like the Öffentlich-Rechtlichen Rundfunk and try to design things there. Because I think few people do that.
Yes, but I also think that it's just so incredibly difficult to change things. I have to say now, because it might be a bit very provocative, but we both talked about Kevin Kühnert two or three years ago, who was a young SPD politician at the time, and his commitment, which impressed me a bit at the time, I have to say. And within the shortest time he was gone from the window.
And I don't want to say that I thought he was really great or something, but he had an impression for me, he was young, dynamic and somehow had an impression for me at the beginning. And the question is, of course, why such people? This is just one example, I could say something else, or even younger politicians who... Norbert Röttgen, where is Norbert Röttgen?
You know, who throw the job away again because they see that it's almost impossible to change things. You bite on granite, this democracy, or rather this system lets... There are only a few changes, except that you are a Nazi and try to overthrow the constitution. That's one of those things.
And I think that we as a society, with the way we deal with people, who are on the right side, that we might act wrong as a society. That we fight too much internally with other graves? Well, let's be self-critical.
Of course, it's always easier to destroy things, even in terms of language, rhetoric, in criticism, than to build things up. That's why I have a very deep respect for media critics, for example, who sit in their small office communities and say what's all shit and why something isn't really cool, from my perspective.
And as someone who tries to build it myself, you just notice how incredibly complex and incredibly exhausting it is to make a little bit of progress, not just to do it, but above all to keep it. Because once you've made progress, it's not like it stays that way, but there are always forces that are against it and that push against it and that sort of do the work.
There's always a counter-dynamic that doesn't allow you to do that. There are different motivations why they do that.
Yeah, and I think it's so easy to say, like Elon Musk, disruption, disruption, I'm the richest person in the world. Breaking it is totally easy. In the criticism, of course, I know from my own experience, speaking badly is always much easier than trying to do something cool yourself. And maybe... You can say that for every bad thing you say, you have to try to create something good yourself.
And I think that creating something good takes longer and it is accompanied by fewer rewards and it can also fail. And that's why people don't even try. And this basic feeling of saying, someone will fix it. So also from smart people who are successful in their professions, who then say, Yes, man, what about politics, what do you want to do? But that will certainly go well somehow.
If you think that, I think the first mistake is made, because it will not go well if you think that someone else is taking care of it. That someone else is doing all this for you. Yes, exactly.
That is perhaps also the convenience in Germany, of many people, that you think, everything went quite well now. You don't really know a critical time here in the last 30 years, what well-being, what such things are. And now you notice that the impacts are getting closer and closer, like war in neighboring countries or something like that. And I have no idea how we will react as a community.
If it gets worse. Now we have such therapeutic thoughts.
It doesn't matter, it's the beginning of the first show.
We will definitely end this show properly again with gag humor. But the people know us so long that we can start at the beginning of the year. But I also have a few very simple topics with you, even if it's too deep or too much.
Yes, but we started with Trident. We don't want to take the events of the first weeks of the new year individually. Also because we believe that so much is happening. So take Greenland, take the Gulf of Mexico. So this Trump shit, I have my feeling during the election, I also said back then, Ey, I don't think that was intentional. They just want it that way.
And we have to make sure that we focus on ourselves and on the design possibilities that we have. And unfortunately, we have to assume that other people have different views than we do here in Europe and in Germany. And I have a bit of a feeling that we obviously have to get our own shit together. Because you can't rely on social networks from America
have the same interests as we do in Europe, or our interests are so... Of course not. ...so deep that it's somehow cool for us, because obviously it's not cool for us.
That means we have to learn to say yes and say no and still stay in conversation, which is totally difficult, and not just so globally, but I also notice that in... You tried to annoy me here with this cancelled broadcast before Christmas and somehow addressed it like that, but... I didn't want to annoy you.
No, but you mentioned it in the show, but these are of course things that we, um, not set aside, it's not here, but we have, there was a dissent between, which by the way happens quite often, between the sender and the editorial office. And then it will... I only happened to notice that by chance through some headline.
Yeah, but such things... Look, I wouldn't even notice something like that. I have, well, we don't normally talk about it. I didn't know, I didn't happen to have such a headline somewhere by chance.
Now, in the new year, you didn't get it anymore because you switched off Instagram. But such fights and such confrontations, which shouldn't be confrontational at all, but maybe not even quarrels, but they're just not even fights, but they're confrontations and challenges that you have with someone, who might one day become a neighbor or a neighbor again, argumentatively. You can't escape that.
You have to... Man muss sich da hinstellen und das dann machen. Und an die Kämpfe auch kämpfen. Sowohl im juristischen als auch im politischen. Man muss sich trauen, Nein zu sagen mit guten Gründen und das Nein dann aushalten und verteidigen. Und zu gucken, dass man trotzdem danach mit dem Gegenüber has a level on which you can continue to live with each other.
That's always a basic principle of society. And then there's this show, then they talk about it for three days, that these shows are cancelled. Then there are the ones who say, ah, Böhmermann, this time it was exaggerated. And then there are the others who say, no, that's totally ... And then I sometimes think exactly about things like that, that actually keeps us together as a society.
But that's the way it is. There are all these little things. die uns teilweise irgendwie auseinanderdriften lassen, aber irgendwie, das ist halt wirklich, ich weiß, ganz einfaches, profanes Gefühl, dass ich denke, die Gesellschaft muss sich jetzt im Klaren darüber werden, was passieren kann mit Deutschland in den nächsten Jahren, wenn wir nicht irgendwie zusammenstehen.
Gegen Faschismus, gegen rechte Regierung auch einfach. Wenn du mal siehst, wie viele Länder einfach rechts regiert werden gerade, auf wirklich auf eine... In an old-fashioned way, from men. Everything from men.
But I have, I have, watch out, it was against again, it was against again. So you can say against fascism is totally easy, because no one knows exactly what that means.
I think my little suppression of, I can say exactly what I mean with it.
But against fascism was last year in January, where I also ran around on two demos and we all demonstrated and what happened after that, exactly zero. Because maybe that's, maybe that's the approach to say, we're not against something, but we're looking for something for what we are. For what we are, of course. And not something like that,
wide as to say we are for democracy, because that can also be said by the last fascist, I am for democracy, because then my party will be elected, the fascist party, and then we will create democracy, because that's why we are fascists for democracy, because democracy supposedly makes it easy for such people to come to power.
But to be for something means not only to speak out for it, but to speak out for the word and the thought And that means personal use. And that can be by using yourself in your area, in the social, in the small. But it can also be by getting strong for institutions or starting to engage. And in very specific things.
And I think that, maybe it's that, that you no longer have to say you are against something, but we try to find out what we are for this year. I think it's also very important to say that we are against something.
But you mean, what you actually want to say is a common goal, but also, or everyone in small for themselves, to do something, what this society does well, instead of destroying it further or looking at it negatively.
But it will always be good when people who are in different positions look in one direction. So imagine, you are in a row with people, they are all in different positions, by all means from left to right. But they all look at a light point in the distance and walk towards it. Then the way is ... den sie nehmen, ein unterschiedlicher.
Und die Perspektiven sind unterschiedliche, aber die Richtung ist die gleiche. Und sowas zu finden, ist, glaube ich, vielleicht eine politische Herausforderung. Das gilt es vielleicht für 2025 zu finden. Ja, aber was könnte das sein, zu sagen, ich bin für Demokratie? Da weiß ja keiner, was das bedeutet. Das muss ja eher sowas sein wie...
So now a very big step, to be brave, something like, for example, I want a strong regulation of social networks in the European Union. I want them to get absolutely no foot on the ground, that the publishers are protected, who run media houses and newspapers with responsibility, even right-wing publishers.
Or for my part, let's include the fucking Fick Springer Publishers, who still have editorial offices and even if you don't agree with them, As far as the political orientation or the procedure is concerned. But there are control structures, people who take care of content. That doesn't exist with Facebook, obviously. That doesn't exist with X either. And in social networks. No responsibility.
And it's just content made by other people for money. And if you say, we want publishing shares.
The bad thing is that X and so are still being used by people who do that to critically attack other people. But all of this is just playing Elon Musk in the cards, ultimately, this whole social media.
He really bought the thing to own it completely and use it as a propaganda instrument against liberal democracy, which for...
And that's fascism for me, Jan, to be honest, that's what I mean, just like with Donald Trump, that's for me people, that's modern fascism, people who simply don't allow an open opinion and control things. Yes, but the whole thing under the blanket of the fight for freedom and to keep in mind that all these...
wankers in the blue premium group in the Springer publishing house, of course, have been doing this for years, as if it were the way to a better democracy, if you follow it.
But I also think something like that now, what was somehow on election recommendations in the world before Christmas, suddenly there will be, there will be the right, there will be right-wing extremist election recommendations printed by former bourgeois newspapers. Could it possibly be that it was all just a strategy for years to really just bring right-wing extremists to power, because it
die hinter diesen Verlagen stehen, den Milliardären, einfach darum geht. Einfach darum geht. Kurzes Selbstzitat. Ich muss über eine eigene Zeile, weil die so verbunden ist, also ich hab bei einem Text eines Liedes, ist mir eine Zeile eingefallen, die lag dann da, in dem Fegesack-Lied, und zwar, ich bin in Fegesack aufgewachsen, und es gibt
In Fegesack there is a part of the city on the other side of the Weser, that is the part of the town of Lemwerder, it is located in Lower Saxony. And in Lemwerder is the Lürssen Werft, and there are Werft locations, Abeking and Rasmussen, large luxury yachts are being built there.
And you have in Bremen-Fegesack, the pedestrian zone breaks down, no more shops, and the people have to drive far to the next largest supermarket, and everything goes down the stream, they are all unemployed, and you look, From Fegesack on, but on always new giant super yachts, which will be sold to Dubai at some point, for millions of euros.
And the rhyme is just, all businesses have closed, and in Lemberg there is a new yacht. And that's exactly what it is. And you think all the time, there are so many areas. You think, what? That's completely, what? That's completely perceived as normality, but that's not normal at all. That's not normal at all.
Why? No, that's not normal at all. And that's the big thing that more and more people somehow ... If you see how little money is invested in education, in social welfare centers and all that, you just see that. And then you hear again, yes, we have 20 million for that, then we have to do that again. It's clear that you're frustrated and that you have less and less trust in the state, right?
Das Problem ist nur, dass davon viele abwandern und dann denken, die AfD wird uns retten. Das ist ja das Problem, dass die Regierung einen irgendwie nicht hinkriegt, mit Geld anscheinend so umzugehen, dass man das Gefühl hat, das ist sozial gerecht und das dann ganz viele leidet dadurch. Diese Regierung jetzt ist auch meiner Meinung nach schuld, dass die AfD so stark wird.
Yes, how can it be that on the title page of the most published daily newspaper, the Bild-Zeitung, we are always talking about these strange, in quotation marks, citizens' money frauds, where it's really about people who have the very fewest in Germany. Why do they look at every euro, while at the same time we are not able to deal with the Cum-Ex scandal?
It's the biggest bullshit that is saved there.
They have nothing anyway. And Hanno Berger and these whole Olearius, these whole Cum-Ex criminals continue to play their game or have come through with it and didn't even have to pay back what they have done to harm the community. These are things ... And to articulate that, to articulate it broadly and to say, look, it's incredibly unfair.
There are very few people who benefit from it the way it's going right now. And a lot of people who have to deal with it. And that's just the ones who have little. And they are told that the problem is that people who have a different skin color or come from Syria. We haven't even talked about it yet, because it was also at our Christmas circus.
This terrible attack in Magdeburg, where in the meantime, I mean, six people, I think one person died there, so six people and hundreds of injured. How can it be that the fucked up fascists manage to instrumentalize that and half of Saxony-Anhalt stands on the burning barricade and says, we have to close the borders now.
How can it be that this is the lesson from it, if the guy obviously hung in some dark internet circles for years, Like the Olympic Center perpetrator of 2016. That was of course a person with a history of migration, but wiggled up and made crazy and made an asshole, they have right-wing extreme propaganda tools on the internet.
And some conspiracy theories from the right-wing extreme politically right corner. How can it be that the lesson is not drawn from it, that you go against it, but the first thing was, we now have to put even more people at the border between Germany and Europe. in Austria to control the border. What is your problem?
The guy was a forensic surgeon, he was a doctor, he was an educated person, but obviously he had radicalized himself.
I think he had psychosis or something like that for a few years.
I don't know exactly what the disease is. Yes, yes, yes. So the borders are then of course also flowing between mental illnesses and emergencies for such right-wing extremist things. The people are just crazy. Look at how people You can't keep from people like Ulf Poschert what you want.
Thick-egged, mediocre journalist, somehow flew out at the SZ, because he somehow ... Your book must not be published because it's so shit. He has published people who have sold lie stories and then somehow ended up at the Springer publishing house. Or the new editor-in-chief, Jan-Philipp Burck, had a MeToo case at the WDR.
the open arms of the welfare billionaire Matthias Döpfner and his publisher, the door is always open. It's okay, but how can it be? You can also watch the radicalization of these people on the internet for years. It's getting more extreme, it's getting worse. And we all try to interpret some kind of reason into it.
Where you just have to say, no, there are people who are smart and who maybe for reasons ... Frauke Petry is always a nice example. Frauke Petry, for me, the first ... popular right-wing extremist in Germany, with whom I have dealt with, where I always thought, that's why she became like that, because she failed entrepreneurially and because she had a break in her private and in her biography.
But she left the AfD.
She then overthrew it and there are... I think the primary reason why she thought or thinks the way she thinks now is not because she is really convinced of it, but because she made a series of failures, of bad, bad, bad experiences that were personally justified. And she tried to tarnish these unworked, beaten wounds with some cheap rhetoric, right-wing extreme shit. That's what came out of it.
And such people, also Alice Weidel, how can it be that someone with a woman with a migration history living in Switzerland, in a lesbian relationship, causes the greatest right-wing extreme threat since the Second World War as party chairman? How can that be as a chancellor candidate? How can you live like that?
How can you get up in the morning and say, I'm a lesbian, open lesbian living woman, my wife has a migration, we have two, we have children, we live in, how can that be? How can you stand that and not be completely crazy? How can you believe that the people you guide will accept that?
People are always getting weirder, dude, when it comes to that. Jan, I don't like to say it, but we're at minute 40 or something and I have to piss off. Because all the time while you were talking here, I almost drank a whole bottle of water here. And that drives. That's why I'd like to sit down with you for a moment, if that's okay.
Or are you not done yet? No, just to this strange, this strange, my book wasn't published, pose. That's so awesome. If you write a shitty book, then you write a shitty book and no publisher is forced to do so. That's also freedom of speech. To publish your shit. You are the publisher of the premium group. I heard the name of the book.
Maybe it's also quite good if you just publish it as a mega thread by x. Then you get exactly the applause you want.
And then exactly the people who are supposed to read it will read it.
Exactly. And maybe you don't have to blame every publisher for that. And then to make such a strange story out of it, such a half-cancelled story, forbidden culture or something. What is it?
There's always someone who wants to say the truth and then he gets a penalty. Yeah, I don't know. I would now very briefly, Jan, because it's getting urgent that I have to take a short break, put two songs on the list. This year, please don't send me first. I know you all have great bands, great music tips, but Wir leben auch einfach in einer Welt, in der es hier Streamingdienste gibt.
Und es gibt so richtige Geheimtipps heutzutage einfach immer weniger. Ich pack jetzt meine Songs, die ich momentan gut finde, einfach immer auf die Liste. Und irgendwann werde ich auch wieder auf Social Media. Und dann könnt ihr mir wieder schreiben. Momentan kommen keine E-Mails an. Ich will auch gar nicht so tun. Bitte schreibt mir nicht, ich hab hier Detox und so. Es kommt einfach nicht an.
Also, ihr könnt weiter schreiben. Das Problem ist, es kommt einfach nicht an. Ich hab Bifi Mike Bescheid gesagt, der meine Homepage macht, dass momentan keine Mails an mich gehen. Und ich hab kein Instagram and no other stuff.
And you think it's a joke, but Beefy Mike just makes your homepage.
Yeah, Beefy Mike makes my homepage, that's how it is. So, now leave me alone here and I'll pack a new band. These were the last tips I got. Sculpture Club with Drive Too Fast, a really nice song for the beginning of the year. Sculpture Club, Drive Too Fast, also the record is very good, on the list.
And then one of the best German punk bands and one of the best live bands, who released their new record on Friday, Turbo Start. And Turbostadt is really just such a stable band from Flensburg, a band that I have seen live so often, that I always like to see.
One of the bands where I go to the concert, even though we know each other a little bit and never go backstage, because I just want to see the band, I want to see the concert and go home and think, awesome, just awesome. And if you can still rely on one thing in this barren country, then it is that every few years Turbostadt releases a good record.
Scheißauge is the name of the song from the new record, which I put on the list. So since the day before yesterday online, listen to it, go to the concerts, just a stable band. A band you can rely on. Exactly, these are my two song wishes. I still have two.
And you too. And I would like to listen to a song by an artist who, I think, makes songs that sound similar. But I thought it was very funny to listen to it. I don't know where he comes from. I don't know what kind of nationality he has. The artist is called Luke Haynes and The Auteurs is the band that plays with him. And the song is called Bader Meinhof. It's kind of a foreign look.
I don't know. On the Bader-Meinhof-Band. He tries to tell Bader-Meinhof a little bit in the Bonnie and Clyde style. As a German, you don't know so much about Bonnie and Clyde. That was a lot of whining and a lot of sexist shit. And also violence and stupidity. But that's the attempt to explain the Bader-Meinhof-Band musically by an artist named Luke Haynes. It slipped into me.
And then I have a really great... I thought of us in between the years. I have a really great version, because I sometimes like to listen to different versions of my favorite songs. And one of my favorite songs, because it appeals to me so lyrically, is Fool on the Hill by The Beatles. And then there's a really great version of Fool on the Hill by Hermann van Veen.
And I want to ... Hermann, Hermann, Hermann, Hermann, Hermann, Hermann,
Exactly, our old closing song from Radio 1. I recently had it, I drove it in my car and then I shuffled it and then it came like this. It always gets very warm for me. Yes. Don't we just want to put it on again? Just in between.
Isn't there a list in it?
I think we have it on, yes, but we have to push it up again. How is it called again? Ich kannte eine Frau mit Horst Horst.
It's called Jemand stiehlt die Show von Hermann van Veen. And also The Fool on the Hill, the Beatles cover by Hermann van Veen, is somehow... It's kind of sweet and gives you a warm cocoa feeling to listen to. Exactly. Sorry.
We're taking a short break.
You have to piss now. Sorry, it's a bit out of order. We're going to do a Christmas circus review. We're going to talk more about Tidal horses.
And we're going to do a bit of light shopping. Yes, soon it will be light, that's promised. See you soon. See you soon.
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My philosophy is that we don't achieve the orderly state. It is the question whether it is desirable to achieve the orderly state. So the only task of the police can actually only consist of guaranteeing the smooth coexistence of people. Adolf, guaranteed is exaggerated. Tried, tried to regulate and guarantee. It's just a try, it doesn't always work. Exactly, completely right.
Just like our podcast, just an attempt to entertain you a little bit with our first broadcast. You see, we start a little bit melancholically, reluctantly. But it's also January outside, the nature is just stumbling around, it's muddy weather, sometimes it snows briefly, then it all dissolves again.
I'm outside with my dog three times a day, walking through these skeletonized forests, you know, it's all a bit ... It's all a bit unfriendly outside right now. It's all a bit unfriendly. Still, there are a few friends who say, I wanted to discuss a few easy things with you.
Finally, sorry. Sorry, I really have to apologize.
No, you have to apologize.
It was totally good that we talk about what is on our hearts again. We have a small logistical problem, because I would like to talk about the current donations. Today we are closing the Christmas circus traditionally with the first broadcast of our donations.
But we are not quite up to date.
Exactly, that's the problem. That means we'll probably have to add the current donation status with a computer voice. Then I would say, first of all, unbelievable, thank you very much for ... 2,349,975 euros.
To all of the ... Unbelievable, that's, that's, for the sake of donations, that's ... 587.493 euros. Insanity. Unbelievable.
Unbelievable amount. For Peter, at my and at Schutzengelwerk in Berlin, two aid organizations. One for animals, one for humans. Very simple. So simple, I think. Two things that are in my heart. Humans and animals. Peter, the animal organization that gets a lot of money, does something awesome out of it. I've already gotten a message from them. I don't know if I'll find it. Maybe I'll read it.
We'll do it next week.
We'll do it. And the Schutzengelwerk, that's in Steglitz, I've been to them so often, I've been informed about them on the internet, I think it's a good organization. Maybe you can start something great with the money and somehow keep us up to date. I would be very happy.
Many thanks to all listeners who really made the effort to donate money for us, or for this organization, for you two of course. Exactly, these are the doctors without limits.
Because we find in times when there are so many terrible, warlike conflicts, you should stay with the people and make the Doctors Without Borders very professional. For many years they have been a great aid organization with people who are also personally in danger. And a quarter of the donation pile goes to Doctors Without Borders.
For people who suffer from the consequences of the war in the war zones, for example in Gaza or in the Ukraine, but also in the Sudan and in many other crisis areas of the world, medical humanitarian aid is provided. And the Promethean association, that is my second donation, Promethean e.V. in Düsseldorf,
A violence prevention initiative for young women and girls, which is also open to trans people and continues to develop and network nationwide. And looks at how to make violence prevention measures a little more inclusive, more open in the future. That even more people from difficult situations, which are threatened by violence, get protection and support.
And with the money that we have collected together, we are not only supporting these four organizations, but I think that the money will also be used sustainably. And I would be really happy if we would talk about it more often over the course of the year, what has become of our donations.
And we can just say again, Jan, we actually did it again and broke the donation record. That's really something I didn't expect.
But do you know how stupid it is when you feel under pressure that you have to break a record? That doesn't have to be. No, we don't have to.
We both didn't expect it. We both talked privately. We really thought this time it would probably be, also because the times we demand something from nobody or the like. Nevertheless, when this message came, I of course didn't look again for a few days, then a message came from you. I thought, wow, that's really a feeling of happiness at the beginning of the year, which you like to experience.
Thank you very much for that.
Yes, thank you very, very much. So we are really happy and I think we haven't talked in detail about the donation goals yet, but in the name of our four donation goals, thank you very, very, very, very, very much. That's really a really great thing and we're very happy about it. And this year is our 10th Christmas Circus, if everything goes well, at the end of the year.
It's been there for 10 years.
And maybe our last one.
Who knows?
Why?
Who knows? Why?
I don't know either. I just think, how long? I mean, it's always the question. Not because the air is out or there is a tight feeling, but how long does Spotify want us?
How long can we still... But is that dependent on Spotify? We were never dependent on Radio 1, right? No, we were never. That's true too. I think, since last summer, we've only been doing one episode a week. And that is, consciously, we're getting rid of algorithmic logics. You can maybe put that out there now. We're not doing a video podcast either, because we're not idle. Of course we are.
Because we're both pretty... It's not that we don't have big egos and don't want to see ourselves in front of cameras. But I think that... It's nice to say, it's a podcast, it's a podcast, a podcast is a podcast, is a podcast. And it's an audio format. Exactly. Who does it help if we turn on a video? Who?
You just mentioned a topic that I want to discuss with you now. KI. And many things. I saw Pumuckl, the re-filming of Pumuckl. And I thought, that doesn't exist, that's really the voice of, do you remember who was the synchronizer of Pumuckl?
Hans Clarin, of course.
Hans Clarin, right. And I really liked watching that as a child. He had something nice about him and I always liked the voice of Hans Clarin, who also spoke a lot of listening games. And in the new version, the AI will do that now. It will now speak to Pumuckl in the original Hans Clarin voice. And I have to say that as far as that is concerned, I have changed my AI opinion a bit.
I don't think the AI will be able to write songs that touch your heart, except maybe once briefly, because you programmed it yourself and are inspired by yourself. But I think that such things ... I don't want to hear Pumuckl with the other voice. I want to hear him exactly with Hans Clarin. And I think they managed that just as well. I watched two episodes now.
And I have to say, I'm absolutely convinced of it. If it's so awesome, then you can do it, even with dead voices. So here, for example, Hans Paetsch, that's the fairy tale voice. And who wouldn't like to hear something from him again? You shake your head, what's your problem?
No, well, we started with the Spencer film with Hans Paetsch, who read it. He read the Spencer... That's right, that's right. A lot of people asked if that was AI. No, it was an old recording. But actually, I'm on tour right now.
And actually we also have a, I don't want to say too much, but also after a long ethical discussion and before a long, intense conversation with the heirs of a deceased person from my immediate environment, a recording. And that's also because everyone said it would be exactly what this person would have liked. And we do that on tour too. There is an AI voice from a deceased person.
There are things where I find AI very good. Then I thought, if AI, if it goes on like this.
When AI is fed with psychotherapy, a thing that many people need, therapy, that you don't do the therapy anymore. I'll tell you personally, I did a therapy once in my life. I went to the therapist, it didn't work out so well, I went to the next one. Because at the first one, that remains between us people, we are in a protected space, at the first therapist I feel superior to him.
You recognized his psychological problems more than he recognized yours. A little bit. The second problem was that I didn't get enough feedback from my wife. I talked to her all the time. And it's not that easy to find a therapy place that's good for you. Where you really go to the problems, where you really dare to do it.
Where you have the feeling that it's a reasonable opponent.
Exactly. And for me it was especially important someone who is older than me. That's very important. So I had a few things like that. Man, woman, I didn't really care. Although of course there's always the feeling that you think, if it's a woman, maybe you're different as a man. Like Tony Soprano. Yes, very good picture, super Jan. Have you seen The Sopranos? Of course. Awesome.
I even tried a rewatch in the last holidays, but it didn't work out that well. I'm going to do a rewatch now too. I love it. I've seen it twice. I love The Sopranos. Well, and then it wasn't the problem that I was different in front of this person, but I just noticed that I didn't ask the right questions, so that we didn't get any further.
And then I broke off twice until I found someone with whom it worked very well. Now the question is whether there will ever really be psychotherapy with AI. If the AI is fed with all the worries, problems, that you no longer have to go to people, but to someone who listens to you very rationally, will that ever happen?
I don't think so. I can imagine that this is of course of great economic interest, if that would work. That would not only replace people, but you could use a computer program You could develop a psychotherapy company, an AI, and just treat millions of people with one computer program. That's of course economic, we're all up for it, that it works.
I can imagine that people will try it, and maybe it's naive to believe that it will never happen, or maybe as soon as we're under the earth, everyone will laugh at us for thinking about it at some point. I don't think it works, just like it doesn't work with art. What we now believe, what we don't need, the interpersonal, what social media has trained us a bit, has already.
So we believe we don't need real contact and consensus with people anymore, because we don't need it on the Internet either. That's ultimately AI. In the extreme thought, you don't need humans anymore for anything. And I think that can work. It can be that humanity takes this step. I don't think that will happen. Elon Musk said he wants 2050 more robots than humans on this planet.
You know what's awesome? Teslas, they burn insanely well when you put them on. But hey, did you just, yes, yes, yes.
Although that was an attack.
No, that was an extended suicide, a spectacular suicide, you have to say in the right way.
I'm, listen, that's also something, I only have that as a headline, I don't know, I don't know if it was an attack or a suicide.
These burning palm trees in the burning Los Angeles and the big McDonald's logo, the flammable Cybertruck in front of the Trump Hotel. That's how the year started with these pictures. It's really crazy.
You're really my old partner, because that would have been my next topic with you. Also a small topic. There were these terrible fires in Los Angeles, in California, that you saw. And now, I know that's a very stupid thing, but I don't understand how so much can burn when the Pacific is right next to it. And why, when you, yes, I know, it sounds stupid.
How can it burn in January, dude?
And then I heard that it hasn't rained in California since May. Since May. It hasn't rained in California since May. Now I ask myself, if you know that this is happening, why don't you build hoses and systems that you bring into the sea, which are then simply switched on?
Explain it to me, Jörn Feuerwehrmann-Bümi! Because for the same reasons that in Germany there are rivers and settlements, settlements in flood areas of rivers and the infrastructure that could protect people is not being built because the money is public money, because there is something like debt breaks and in America it is even more blatant. These are the public spending of tax money.
And what if the flood doesn't come at all? Then we built it for free. Then how are we supposed to realize the dream of wealth for everyone? If we now use infrastructure that we don't all use, Der Mensch ist so dumm. Der Mensch ist so dumm.
Aber haben Sie sich bei Corona gemerkt, dass Leute, selbst wenn sie wissen, ein tödliches Virus geht um und dann fangen die Leute trotzdem, sind die nicht in der Lage, mal kurz für einen begrenzten Zeitraum, präventiv zu denken? Of course, in the big picture, they don't succeed either.
They all know that the earth will dry up, that there are no water reserves, that the ground is dry, that the forest danger grows. And yet they do nothing. Because people just don't ... They think ... There's no glory in prevention. And from now on, the horse takes over. Look, the treidel horse, the treidel horses that have pulled ships in the Rhine for thousands of years.
They would have seen the fire and said, guys, we have to go over here.
No, it will still be, if you find bones in the Rhine, so sometimes, now it's just high water in the Rhine, I last rode a bike along the Rhine, you couldn't go along the way anymore, in the Ports. You have to go over there with the ferry or change to the top of the street, because everything was flooded. But when there is low water, you can go far into the Rhine and in the gravel bed you often find
bones. And it's always, or very often, old bones from old, or stoned bones even, from trident horses. Because I suspect the fate of these beasts was also, don't pull anymore, let's leave it here. Or let's eat up quickly at the campfire. And then the trident horse was eaten. As a quiet reserve. As a quiet reserve when you're hungry. Yes, from here the horse takes over. I'm locked in here.
From here the horse takes over. Yes, I think a much worse decision the horse will not make as currently politically.
I don't think so either. And now I have another question for you, Jan, that came to my mind this morning. The German is obsessed with statistics. The German loves it.
Who is the German?
Yes, the German loves statistics. The people love statistics. Why is there no toilet with scales? That you see in the morning what you have just lost. Honestly, then you would think that we are the first positive ... Unbelievable. That sounds stupid, but you think, dude, 800 kilos away. 800 grams. Why doesn't that exist? Have you ever been to Japan?
I also know some people in my private environment who have learned to appreciate the Japanese toilets from traveling so much that they have built one privately.
I had, in the time when I, what's it called again, when it burns in your ass? Hemorrhoids. Hemorrhoids. I had, back then, when I did Schürz in the Box, because I often sat on cold stones, I had hemorrhoids. And then I arrived in Japan, and then she started to rinse out my asshole, this toilet, right? And it burned so much, because it didn't work with the hemorrhoids, with the water at all.
That was the worst time of my life. That was the only time I had hemorrhoids. And that was because I was in Russia, and sat on cold stones all the time. We didn't have a hotel back then. Is it a hotel?
But it could be that an over-average number of hemorrhoid cases also leads to the fact that the country is planning attack wars like this. Could it be that if there were fewer cold stones or nicer toilets in Russia, Vladimir Putin would have just kept his troops to himself and left all this imperialist nonsense? Who knows? Ey, I've never had hemorrhoids, should I tell you?
Look, it's an open question. Yes, it starts with ... You haven't done any therapy yet, Jan.
Well, maybe. Except on Twitter. Maybe. Maybe. Yes, it has to be. You know what? The enjoyer is silent. The enjoyer is silent, exactly. Okay, then I have something else. Can you do it very briefly? The animals did it, fire off a player. Is it something, come on now, Stefan the Tidelfair?
No.
It's totally cute, yes. It goes very fast.
Attention and ... here it is.
Tuffy the Elephant. Charlie the Ape. Commissioner Rex.
Das sind Tiere, die es geschafft haben.
Knut, der Eisbär.
Tiere, die es geschafft haben.
Flipper, der Fisch.
Das sind Tiere, die es geschafft haben. Ein Hund, das ist Beto. Das sind Tiere, die es geschafft haben.
I have to tell you briefly, Jan. I have been on Arte for a few days, like one of my absolute favorite broadcasters. I scroll very briefly to the front. I watch Netflix, what do you want to see? I can't think of anything. I want to see something on Prime.
All the things I want to see, for example the movie with Russell Crowe by Michael Mann, The Insider, great movie, I wanted to see it again, it doesn't exist anywhere. Jackie Brown doesn't exist anywhere. Certain films, that's the shit about all this streaming, certain films don't exist anywhere.
piranhas gucken musste dafür ein ard plus abo abschließen das meine ich diese ganze das ist nur noch mit abo was gibt jackie brown von tarantino einer meiner lieblingsfilme von ihm den wollte ich mal wieder sehen habe ich zehn jahre nicht gesehen und den kannst du nur sehen ja wenn sie hier noch den zusatz channel bei prime und bei apple tv kann man das gar nicht mehr machen die filme kaufen ich verstehe das alles nicht man wird
Yeah, and a lot of movies are missing. For example, The Insider, Michael Mann, a great movie. I saw it in the cinema back then. I wanted to see it again. Well, in any case, if there's too much for me, I go to the Arte Mediathek and then I watch a documentary about bear animals. Ey, do you know bear animals? Google bear animals. Make a bear, like the bear, and then animals, what they look like.
These are very small animals.
And this documentation, if it's them, look, the mouth of them, what it looks like. First you think it's frightening, but then it's kind of cute, like a plug-in connection from Lego Technik. Right.
That's a sack with a funny front. And how this mouth area is made is unbelievable. And it's on YouTube right now. How many legs does that animal have? Small, cute and indescribable, the bear cub. 52 minutes, a documentary. Check it out. At 8 o'clock? At Arte and Arte ist jetzt auch so cool und stellt es auf YouTube. Auf YouTube Arte gibt es das auch. Bärtierchen, klein, niedlich und unverwüstlich.
Also die sind nur Millimeter groß, diese Dinger. Auch Wasserbären genannt. Und mir ist dieses Tier nicht wirklich bekannt gewesen. Und jetzt kommt ein paar Informationen, was ich dir zu diesem Tier gebe. Du kannst auch gerne den Wikipedia-Altrag aufmachen. Yes, the little bear survives the absolute zero point. Do you know what the absolute zero point is?
No, if you're not taken as a moderator at TTT. For example, or if you're still alive at 273 degrees minus. That's the absolute zero point. It can't get colder. 273.15 degrees, I think. is the coldest temperature ever. And also the vacuum in the universe, the temperature measured. It must be incredibly cold. And the bear is one of the few animals that would survive that.
They are hard to take, these little things. And they look so incredible, I think. I am completely possessed. And now comes a bit of sex and a bit of erotic browns in our podcast. How they reproduce, the preface, the female bear makes, researchers have found, you can also see everything in the documentary, a preface of 45 minutes in which the male with this sweet snout orally satisfies.
45 minutes, which I find a mega long time. For 45 minutes, the penis of the male bear of the female woman is You have to look at the mouth. Sorry if I say that now. And then they have sex. I ask myself, how long does it last? 45 minutes. But the male bear has a hard time in the neck. That's half a crime scene. That's half a crime scene, exactly.
And apart from that, these are incredibly fascinating animals. There are still a lot of other things that I haven't written down yet, because you have to look at the documentation yourself.
But they are also both on land and in the water, they are in puddles, they are everywhere, and they look relatively shitty under a microscope. But then, when you see this 3D representation, you think, dude ... They look like a Mad Max monster. Yes, but under the microscope it doesn't look spectacular. Under the light microscope. Only if you enlarge them. If you look at them in 3D, you think, wow.
And they are almost immortal. How old are they? Is there anything known? I don't know. Polar ice? Polar ice. Polar ice in the deep sea and in the rain. Often you can find them in soft moss. The main thing is that it is moist enough. These are great animals. I don't know, someone must have sent me an email now. Yes, they were already discussed here. I didn't know that before. Thank you, Arte.
And I wanted to let you share this animal for a moment. And that was our little animal factory again.
Tuffy the elephant. Charlie the monkey. Commissioner Rex.
Das sind Tiere, die es geschafft haben.
Knut der Eisbär.
Tiere, die es geschafft haben.
Flipper der Fisch.
Das sind Tiere, die es geschafft haben. Ein Hund namens Beto. Das sind Tiere, die es geschafft haben.
Where you are already in the Arte-Mediathek, I saw a two-part Arte-Doku, just before yesterday, namely the big documentation of, I think, Thorsten Körner, who also did Schwarzer Adler, about Franz Beckenbauer, who died in the last year, in the penultimate year, 2023, or is he 24, 22?
A big documentary about Franz Beckenbauer, which is at least worth seeing if you're interested in football culture and for big over-inscened Germans. Do you find him over-inscened? Yes, I wanted a short review of the documentary. I found the documentary informative. A very important first criticism is that there are talking heads, people who talk about Franz Beckenbauer.
There is not a single woman who speaks in this film. Except for old recordings of his first life partner, his first wife. Otherwise, they are really exclusively men. That was also an absolute male domain back then. But nowadays, there are people from the present who speak about Franz Beckenbauer.
And the author of the film didn't come up with the idea to think about whether that... Maybe he didn't talk to women. Yeah, maybe. Maybe they were blurred on photos. Yeah, exactly. I was just about to say, where we get so excited about a Facebook channel from some splitter organization of the government party or the government...
Miliza in Syrien, die die Außenministerin rausblört, nichts anderes ist, aber mit allen Frauen in der Franz-Beck-Bauer-Truppe.
Das ist schon sehr frauenfeindlich da in Syrien, ganz ehrlich. Also ganz ehrlich, wenn man das nicht hinkriegt, irgendwie eine Frau abzubilden. Ich weiß, es ist nur ein Teil gemacht. Das war eine... Ich weiß, ich weiß, ich weiß. Das war nicht das Staatsfernsehen. Es ist nicht die Staats, aber trotzdem, war schon auch alles in Tragischkeit.
But I'll tell you, the Franz Beckenbauer documentary doesn't shed any light on German masculinity. And then the filmmaker thought about it in the end. Now something has to be done with gravity and thoughtfulness and somehow ... So it's praised twice, once 45, then again almost 30 minutes.
And only the last 15 minutes are then moved on to Franz Beckenbauer's rather unruly end of life, where this whole thing just collapsed with the 6.7 million smear money and summer fairy tales and everything a bit shady and so on. But then he went out and gave all the interview partners a football and said, take the ball and hold the ball between you and the wall and lean against the ball.
And you have to imagine, I'm going to do it here so pantomimically, that the ball, then there are recordings of all, of Willi Lemke, Arndt Zeigler, Uli Hoeneß, who take a ball and put their heads on it and close their eyes and then for a minute, Um, Kaiser Franz denken, oder was?
Ich weiß nicht, was sie da denken, oder ob sie versuchen, ob in dem Ball dann mehr Gehirn drin ist, als in ihrem eigenen Kopf, oder ich weiß nicht, es war so ganz... And I thought, what are you doing?
What's going on? I didn't see the documentary, because I also have such a heroism. But I have to say one thing, if I don't touch one thing at all, and where I don't have any... I think FIFA is basically the most corrupt club. And I think... That there was no other way than the World Cup at that time because everyone did it like that. I think it's still done like that today.
Do you mean that Saudi Arabia didn't just get the World Cup?
No, they got it because of their passion for football. Because they've been there for years. The famous football team Saudi Arabia. Of course it's absolutely corrupt. And that he somehow took the money to get the World Championships and to make us this summer fairy, I don't think that's that bad.
Was that really so awesome?
Yes. I have to be honest, I thought it was awesome back then. I thought the World Cup was awesome, I thought it was awesome in Germany, I just came to Berlin, I always watched it with friends, I had a good time and I thought back then, honestly, that's one of the few songs by Jochen Dieselmeier that I find really embarrassing. He calls Germany the German.
where he sings about this car with the flags and so on. It may all be. I also want to drive to Germany and hang on the car. But there were just a lot of people who were just up for the World Cup and for children and for people. And there was a good feeling for a long time in the summer. And that is also such a thing, I think. Can you now stand to football as you want or not?
If there is a thing that makes sure that we, no matter where we come from politically, or if we are now exactly all right timed and bring us together, then I think that's an important and nice thing.
There were no cross-thinkers.
In the summer fairy tale there were no cross-thinkers. Yes. But back then they lived in a village and somehow they put their strange opinions into their C64. Back then everything was a little different. Jan, before I forget, I would like to ask you one thing. Would you buy something for me in Cologne? Yes, what? I talked about Lakritz recently and someone wrote to me, Timo.
In Cologne, at the Eichelsteintor, there is a very charming family restaurant called Kuletsch. They have a very good selection of La Crize, also from Finland. I love Finnish La Crize. Norway and even Italy. Many greetings to Konz. Okay, that's something else. Ask Jan if he can buy something for you. I'd love to. I'll give you 50 euros per paper. Do you want me to put it together in a cute bag?
I'll do it for you. And would you just give me a lacquer bag? I love good lacquer. In Berlin I haven't found such a cool lacquer store yet.
But you can get it in all sizes and shapes in Berlin.
Then I can send you a package. You get a package of Budplugs and I get a little lacquer.
Uncle Olli sent me a 50 Euro Budplug package from Berlin with the tip. From Zirbelholz.
Really something great. Oh. I'm still working on my little topic, okay? Did you see? I'm still talking here.
What are you so flippant about? Go down. Don't put the bar so high. We have to get out of this growth.
No, we have to. I'm just a little bit. I have to go in a quarter of an hour. Yes, then let's quickly say what you have to say. Did you see Nikki Glaser's speech here? I saw it, I thought it was mega cool. Wasn't she good? Insanely good. I think it's the first time since Ricky Gervais that someone has delivered really great again. I thought it was totally mega, it's great anyway. Do you know her?
Of course I know Nikki Glaser, I've known her for years, fantastic. I've seen her live myself, often. Have you seen her live? Yes, in the Comedy Cellar in New York, where I have performed more often. Five or six years ago I've seen her.
I thought that was really fantastic. Otherwise, but you don't even look at it anymore. That's also such a thing. Did I touch any golden globe price or anything else?
I just watched it. I have a cultural critical comment about the series The Severance by Apple Plus. And an internet commentator said, if such a series had been released 20 years ago in the world of television, people would have talked about nothing else for three years. Es ist nur eine weitere Serie im unendlichen Content mehr und es geht komplett unter. Die ist so wahnsinnig gut, sagt er.
Ich hab's noch nicht gesehen, ich weiß nicht, worum's geht, aber fand das eine ganz interessante Beobachtung. Du wirst so zugeschissen und es ist so wenig redaktionell kuratiert. Es gibt niemanden, who orders you, who recommends you something. And that loses relevance. Even good things are no longer to be seen in the sea of shit or in the sea of everything.
That's why I don't know if Emilia Perez is good or not. I don't know either.
I also miss, just like you, the time and the fun to deal with it. Because you know how much of an overflow there is. That's the problem with Netflix. I would also like to hear about culture in Germany for something like that.
But I'm afraid that the seventh Thilo Mischke debate will get me out of my mind and make me in a bad mood. That's why I'd rather not watch it and do something else. And put my phone on don't disturb and relax a bit. That's great.
And Jan, do you know what you'll get from me today? What? A big tongue kiss? A big song list, if I were near you, you would get it, of course. But there is, I have a link, I don't think it's here yet. No. I got a link. What? I saw the movie the day before yesterday, Saturday Night. I've seen it. Have you seen it?
From Jason Reitman. Yeah, of course. Yeah, have you seen it? I've seen the movie.
And I found it very interesting how the movie was made, namely that it is the first, that it is the first two hours before the very first broadcast. And you can also see Billy Crystal, for example, who is only backstage. So all the names for everyone who is a little older, Dan Aykroyd, Bill Murray, John Belushi, Chevy Chase.
Chevy Chase, who at the time had to be a really incredibly uncomfortable guy, like Dan Aykroyd, by the way. There's this one scene where the women, it's also such a thing that in retrospective you can see how many women have participated in it. In the past, it was still an absolute male domain. There's this one scene where all of them mock Dan Aykroyd a little bit.
The women, because he's like that, because he didn't dare to wear this absurd stuff. In any case, it has become a beautiful film that really gets this feeling of what it must have been like in the 70s when this anarchist TV show was broadcast for the very first time. And I can really only recommend it.
I don't know how much everything is now historically correct, but I know that Jason Reitman is the father of Evan Reitman, who also had a lot to do with it at the time, because as a child, I think, he was also a witness of all these Saturday Night things or was part of the set. And I found the film really entertaining.
I also found it entertaining. I watched it alone in the evening. I thought it was a half-work film, because you want to know how it goes behind the scenes and you know the places and stuff. I had a bit of a similar feeling to The Apprentice, the Donald Trump film. I also talked about it. The Donald Trump film. I watched it and was so excited at first. And then I noticed, oh, somehow...
It didn't really get to me, because it was so much a reenactment of reality. I think a documentary is more meaningful with something like that. I thought the atmosphere was great. And there were surprisingly believable costumes and makeup. I thought that was pretty good. But if you know how TV shows work ...
Okay, you're an old rabbit. The only one I didn't cast so well was actually Andy Kaufman.
The guy, I just think... That was the one from Succession, right? Andy Kaufman, the big one.
The actor from Succession, that's right. So he definitely played badly. He didn't look like Andy Kaufman. Andy Kaufman was much smaller. And Andy Kaufman, of course, there are the most absurd things, was also a tragic, unreachable person. That was the only one. Otherwise I thought Chevy Chase and Billy Crystal were very well done.
For the case that you want to go into the world of Andy Kaufman and want to get closer to the fictional, of course, the film with Jim Carrey is really one of the many good, there are many bad, there are also many good, but a very good film, I think, from Jim Carrey. Sensationally good. The Moon Man, I can only highly recommend and I have.
But do you also know, very briefly, the documentation about the filming of The Moon Man, where he really annoyed everyone?
wo er alle genervt hat, weil er so sehr Andy Kaufman war, und so war er, klar, kenn ich. Aber der Mondmann ist wirklich ein toller Film, kann man sich gut angucken, weil auch so Danny DeVito spielt kurz mit, oder spielt mit, Leute, die wirklich auch mit Andy Kaufman bekannt waren, also ein Film, wo ganz viel Herz drin ist.
Und ich hab vor Weihnachten, da haben wir im Weihnachtszirkus gar nicht drüber gesprochen, es gibt so ein, vor Weihnachten bei mir immer das Bedürfnis, Filme zu finden, die ich mit that I like to watch with great pleasure, but where you can also watch them with families.
And I don't know how it is with you, when you try to watch movies together, there are always a lot of different interests and often, so film findings, often it doesn't even come to that, because everyone already knows, we don't find a movie that everyone is up to. Let's just stay the same and play something or something.
But there are a few movies that I wrote down that I would recommend, and of course both Kevin movies are really, really good. By the way, did you know that Chris Columbus, the director, by Kevin Allein Zuhaus, who made the movie really big. Many comedians made Mrs. Doubtfire and stuff like that. He was a guarantee for comedians.
And he took over the directing because he was supposed to make a movie with Chevy Chase. And Chevy Chase and he didn't understand each other because Chevy Chase was such an asshole.
That's what everyone says. But come on. Everyone, no matter who you talk to, and then you have to see one thing, all these people, Dan Aykroyd, Bill Murray, they did Ghostbusters together, back in the day with John Belushi, this 1941, how's it going to Hollywood, everyone did something with everyone, but no one did something with Chevy Chase.
After Saturday Night, he did a lot of Fletcher, a lot of funny movies, but none of the people ever worked with Chevy Chase again.
Maybe he's just an asshole, or is an asshole, he still lives.
Yes, there is this roasting of Chevy Chase somehow, where different comedians make fun of him. That was so mean. I hate it anyway, because if I hate one thing in the comedy field, it's this roasting. When one is sitting there and everyone is talking about him, that's such a very strange kind of ... Yes, I think so too, because it was such a sought-after masochism.
I was once at a comedy award, at the German Comedy Award, where I think Hella von Sinnen tried a roast on Hugo Egan Balder, so adapted the format a bit.
Which of course was meant well, but it didn't work out in front of this terrible audience at the German Comedy Prize, which was not in the lightest sense or in a good idea, but it didn't work out in Germany anyway and even less than in America and then it was a little more annoying. But that was the next thing you could do in Germany.
But I always find it a bit difficult, if you like it, you have a sense of humor. Do you know Jiminy Glick? Jiminy Glick, the figure of Martin Short? So if you really look at the episode Jiminy Glick, there he is in a fat suit, Martin Short, who also plays in Only Murder in the Buildings together with, what's his name? Father of the Bride, he shot with Steve Martin back then.
With Steve Martin, exactly. So Martin Short, a fantastic comedian and Jiminy Glick is really the episode with Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld and many other celebrities. That's kind of a one-on-one before there was Ali G. And there's a new episode from one or two years ago where he's again in the role.
It's very close to a roast, but it's very personal and I can watch it better than a roast that's too artificial. You know what I can't do either?
When the audience is insulted on edgy. I was once, I don't even say the name because you know the comedian, in the Quatsch Comedy Club. And then there was this guy who made fun of two people, you know exactly who I'm talking about, who were in the first row. Why should the ugly ones sit in the front? Although he himself is not particularly attractive in my opinion.
And then they just stood up and I looked into the guy's eyes, because I was sitting in the hallway, and he was so deeply hit, and his wife too, and he ruined the evening so much. And I don't know, you can, if someone is cheeky in the audience, but to go into the audience and insult the people who pay money to see you or want to have a nice evening, that's also such a thing.
There are certain things that don't work on a comedy basis, because you've seen them on YouTube or some stand-up comedy or something like that.
I wanted to make two more movies, of course Man on the Moon, but I also did the Truman Show and it came out very well.
No, on January 1st, with the whole family, we wanted to make a movie. There were two to choose from that no one had seen before. Forrest Gump and Truman Show. And we chose Forrest Gump.
Forrest Gump? Where? Forrest Gump? I don't know exactly what it was anymore.
So the love story between him and his wife, I thought that somehow, of course, she slides into the drug swamp, I think she works as a prostitute, has a shitty life, but that's all. This world, that didn't hit me so well. Okay, it depends on the age of the child. I found it all quite heart-wrenching. I found that Michi still has it.
And also that she then in the end, so it is only indicated, dies in HIV. That all this time, that everything is in it and that it was his great love. And that it didn't matter to him if she had anything with any guys and drugs. That his love was so pure towards her and kept it for his whole life, I found incredibly touching in the film. And that he stood up to her like that.
But of course it's also a bit hard and maybe for kids, but for us it was okay.
So the Truman Show was very good, because it's a great movie that worked really well. It's also a bit sexist, but still bearable. Moderateable, I would say. And I watched A Daily Moaner some time ago. Was it sexist at Truman Show? And when it's just the shots, then you notice leg shots, and it's just another factor to shoot the female body again, that the men are happy in the cinema.
You noticed it was on the verge of, let's just focus on the story, and all these old film stories, like filming the woman's boobs again in close-up, because it's kind of sweet and sexy or something like that, it still seems a bit like that. Daily Moody's is also a film that worked similarly well as The Truman Show. Both funny evergreens that worked well.
Yes, I thought so too. But I've seen it so often every day. It was shown so often on TV that I don't feel like seeing it anymore. I can almost talk to it.
And one film, the third film, it's really, you have to be old for it. I don't know why. Why this great, it's much better than the other one, the Full Normal or Total Normal. The first big movie, you can borrow it somewhere, but Club Las Piranhas is, in my opinion, the best movie by H.P. Kerkeling. Totally normal is the best movie. No excuse. Totally normal is the show, no excuse is the movie.
No, I think Club Las Piranhas with the incredible Angelika Milster. He's good, but he's not as good as Heinz Schenk. Whoever likes to lie in bed for a long day, he's not one of us.
No, in the course of the 60 years of Harpe Kerkeling celebrations, where I unfortunately listened to too many podcasts on long car rides, and you also notice that Harpe Kerkeling is slowly getting bored of the attention. I haven't looked at the docu about him yet, because I know everything. Yes, exactly. If you know everything, you don't learn anything new.
But it was also cool that this All Said podcast by Christoph Ahmend and Jochen ... What's his name? Tieselmeier. No. Jochen Winterscheidt? No. All Said. Come on, I can't think of the name. All Said.
I've only heard it three times, because it's always great to fall asleep, because they talk for five hours.
Jochen Wegener, sorry that I didn't think of the name. I had a co-worker named Jochen Winters, greetings, that's why I always get confused, an author. Jochen Wegner and Christoph Ammendorf interviewed K.H.B. Keckling and you could tell that K.H.B. Keckling was like, I don't want to do this anymore, I can't do this anymore. It was very final at some point, you didn't know that much about him.
Yeah, I think a lot of people as a sport in this podcast, unfortunately there aren't that many guests who are interested in me. I think I heard two or three episodes. I thought Uli Wickert was great back then, who said the word after nine minutes, which he shouldn't have said, and they still broke off really rigorously.
And then I heard that with Sven Regener, the singer of Element of Crime and the authors. And he just said after 90 minutes, so guys, and said the word. And I thought that was resolute. What do you want to talk for 5-6 hours with people you just met and then somehow ... it all repeats itself.
And Uli Wicke accidentally said the buzzword after 10 minutes. Exactly, I mean that, I mean that.
And then they invited him again. That's what I heard again. Jan, very briefly at the end of the show, I have a question for you.
Make the music in the background. Have you ever cleaned your ears in your life at the ear doctor? Yes, I've done it before. I found it unpleasant, but since then I've had the need to find something where I can experience this cleaning effect in the private sector. But I've heard that it's insanely harmful for the eardrum if you try it.
Don't do it yourself. Not with a Q-tip, the melt itself again. With a candle or something. That's all bullshit. There are no private things with which you can clean your ears.
I had a plastic spiral that you could turn into an ear.
And then you looked into the shell, what comes out of the ear.
That's what I mean. It's incredibly satisfying what's in the ear. You're quite surprised. That's almost as clean as with a q-tip through the hair tube.
There are a few things. But I think, man, I would say that very briefly to everyone who sometimes has the problem, hearing is bad or something. Just do ear cleaning at the ear doctor, then you will hear much better. It's really a small thing that you just don't do. You don't like to go there, but the ear doctor is happy, he knows you and says, here, put it there.
Isn't that a service that can also be delegated to a somewhat hierarchically inferior person, such as tooth cleaning, that the ear cleaning doesn't always have to be done by the doctor? Or maybe even a kind of barbershop, but for ear cleaning. You know, because you don't have to go to the doctor for that, actually. That's actually true, a barbershop for the ears, right?
Yeah, that's a weird metal thing, that's how it's sharpened. I did that once. What are you supposed to buy for me in Cologne? I'm supposed to buy Lacryt for you, in the Lacryt store. But I know a better Lacryt store than the one in Eigelstein. Aha. And where is it? It's in the Fennloher Straße. In the Fennloher Straße? Yeah, it's in the Fennloher Straße.
Yes, so I would really be happy about that. You know, small gifts, as they say, keep the friendship.
When do we see each other in the foreseeable future? First of all not, right? When do you come to my concert in Berlin? The tickets are already hanging on the black board. You don't want to come. You can come if you want, but I'm different than you, I don't talk to you in front of the... I want to have my peace of mind. I can't stand talking to people.
It's always these artists who are like, oh, I need another half hour of rest. No, that's really why we could never go on tour together, because you just want to talk to people and I don't want to talk to people. Yes. I'm a very sociable guy. But not in the end. I'm just as sociable as you are, but you just talk to people.
I talk to people, but I also want to have my peace of mind. And you also have that now. That was our first episode in the new year. Thank you very much for being there. We started a bit difficult, but you know, life is a long journey and our podcast journey is not over yet. We'll hear each other again next week with a new episode, with awesome down-and-out jokes, but also something for the top.
So you know.
Bei uns kriegt ihr alles. Bei uns gibt es nicht nur KI, sondern auch NI, natürliche Intelligenz. Bei uns kriegt ihr alles. Also wissen wir nicht, ob wir das jetzt deliveren, aber wir lesen manchmal auch Sachen vor, die wir mitbekommen. Also vielen Dank fürs Zuhören.
Habt eine schöne Woche. Und alle Kultur-Chefredakteure der ARD, die das jetzt gehört haben, ja, diese Sendung war in weiten Teilen eine Bewerbung für die Moderation von Titel, Thesen, Temperamente, weil Scheiße labern ohne Ahnung zu haben, das ist eigentlich unser Markenzeichen. Das machen wir seit Jahren. Ich frage mich auch, warum wir nicht gefragt wurden. Wir wurden nicht gefragt.
There was a person, I didn't get to know which person it was, who was supposed to be taken after the casting of TTT. I don't know who that is, I'll tell you after the show. Really?
Why do you know that? Kann ich jetzt nicht sagen. Gut, mach jetzt die Musik aus und sag Tschüss.
Tschüss, bis nächste Woche.
Trotzdem mal ganz kurz nochmal zu uns beiden. Ich bin jemand, ich bin Musiker, wir reden hier über Bücher, über Kultur, ich gucke gerne Filme, ich gehe auch gerne ins Theater. Aber wahrscheinlich, wenn man mich genommen hätte, hätten die, als ich vor zwölf Jahren mit Joko Winterscheidt Bunga Bunga Party gemacht habe, das hätte das No, I don't think so.
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Oder vielleicht ist das auch der Name, den du mir gleich sagen wirst. Nein, ist es nicht. Leute, bis nächste Woche. Macht's gut. Tschüss.