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Why Your Oxygen Therapy Might Be Holding You Back | Steven Scott DSH #1058
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🔬 Discover why your oxygen therapy might be holding you back! 😮 In this eye-opening episode of Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly sits down with carbon dioxide expert Steven Scott to uncover the surprising truth about oxygen and CO2 therapy. 🧪 Learn how CO2 therapy could be the key to better health, faster recovery, and even longevity! 🏃♂️💪 From professional athletes to everyday wellness seekers, find out why this groundbreaking approach is gaining traction in the biohacking world. 🔥 Hot topics include: - The unexpected dangers of oxygen therapy - How CO2 therapy compares to traditional methods - The science behind naked mole rats' incredible lifespan - Potential benefits for bone healing, fat loss, and more! Don't miss out on this game-changing conversation that could revolutionize your approach to health and wellness! 🚀 Hit that play button now and prepare to have your mind blown by the power of CO2. 🤯 Subscribe for more cutting-edge health insights and join the Digital Social Hour community! 🔔 Your journey to optimal wellness starts here. 💯 #drjasonsonners #selfimprovement #breathoffire #joerogan #carbondioxideforhealth CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:26 - How CO2 Affects Breathing 02:21 - CO2 Therapy vs Oxygen Therapy 06:25 - Breathing Techniques and Hyperventilation 08:18 - Wim Hof Method 10:41 - CO2 Therapy Benefits 15:34 - CO2 Sauna Benefits 17:33 - Pro Athletes Using CO2 Products 20:05 - CO2 Therapy Applications 23:57 - Bone Density Improvement 25:50 - NFL Teams and CO2 Therapy 27:23 - Fat Loss Strategies 29:35 - Managing Anxiety with CO2 29:50 - CO2 as an Amplifier 29:59 - CO2 in Cancer Therapy 30:46 - Where to Find CO2 Products 31:08 - Closing Remarks APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUEST: Steven Scott https://www.instagram.com/steve_scottinc https://www.instagram.com/carbogenetics https://carbogenetics.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/
Chapter 1: What is CO2 therapy and how does it compare to oxygen therapy?
Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah, I just tried the machine and it was an interesting experience. Yeah, yeah. To say the least.
Chapter 2: What breathing techniques can improve CO2 tolerance?
What was your experience of it? Definitely tough breathing in there. I was trying not to hyperventilate, honestly. Yeah, yeah. So it was a bit of a mental game because we were also conversing while I was doing it. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to talk. But it probably gets easier, I assume, over time, right?
It does. You build up your CO2 tolerance, which makes it easier to breathe. So I can breathe like, I think you were like 3% or 4%. For me, because I've been doing it for a while, that'd be pretty easy. So I could hold a conversation, basically. But even for my mom, she's 75 years old, and she does 1% or 2%, and she's breathing really fast.
Because a lot of it has to do with their CO2 tolerance, because CO2 actually is the stimulus for breathing, even more than oxygen, even more than the lack of oxygen, I should say. So hypoxia is less of a stimulus to breathe than CO2. So CO2 causes you to breathe faster. When you exercise, you're getting more CO2 in your... in your system.
Right. I noticed that when I put it on, I was like, why am I breathing faster? Like, I was like, what the hell? But that makes sense. And as we get older, your oxygen levels go down, right?
Um, you're, I wouldn't say you're, I mean, you still, like, if you look, look at a pulse oximeter, you're someone that's older, your hemoglobin saturation of oxygen should still be, when you're older, it's still gonna be close to like 96 to 100, which means all of your red blood cells are on the hemoglobin, it's holding all of the oxygen that it can hold.
But potentially like the amount of red blood cells you have, and also like, as you age, you have more capillary senescence. So you have less tissue perfusion to the cells. Your capillaries are kind of deteriorating as you age and you're getting less blood flow to all of your tissues and cells and whatnot. So would this help kind of mitigate that?
It would actually, yeah. There was a study done showing that one of the things that exercise does is that it increases your capillary density and it restores capillaries that have become senescent, like become damaged and not functioning as well.
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Chapter 3: How can CO2 therapy benefit athletes?
And CO2 therapy is actually more effective than oxygen, according to these studies, at increasing your capillary density and also increasing your mitochondria. So it's like CO2 itself is like a signal to create more mitochondria and create better mitochondria quality and everything like that.
That's very interesting to me that it's more effective because I would say oxygen therapy is more mainstream. It is, yeah. Not many people really know about CO2 therapy. It's been... Around like for people doing CO2 therapy for probably like hundreds of, I mean, centuries actually. Really? Yeah. Wow.
I mean, if you look at natural springs, like in ancient Greek times, biblical times, people built cities around these natural springs and people would go there to receive healing and they would sit in these baths and they were found to be naturally high and very high in carbon dioxide.
Interesting. So they just didn't know the science behind it, but they were- They didn't know the science, but they noticed the effect of it. And they would actually literally build cities around these springs. Holy crap. So warm springs have high amounts of carbon dioxide in them? Yeah, certain ones do, yeah. Okay. That's good to know. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, go on.
Yeah, there's also historically there's in the 1700s, there was actually, they started even at the very beginning when they first started to understand carbon dioxide and what it is. There was a book written in 1792 where they had two women with ulcerative breast tumors. And they built some contraption where they would put like 100% CO2 on the tumor.
And it actually, for one of the women, it actually caused the tumor to completely reverse. Whoa.
And for the other woman, it never cured the cancer for that woman. But for both of them, it significantly reduced the pain because there was a lot of pain associated with this ulcerative breast tumor coming out of their skin and whatnot. So it's very pain relieving and it's, yeah, it's been used quite a lot throughout history and it's something that's really been forgotten.
I mean, you, you look at like biohackers today or like influencers, no one, no one's talking about karma. They're talking about like red light therapy, maybe oxygen therapy. You're the first person I met talking about it. I've met a lot of biohackers. There's one, I guess one person that really popularized it. I mean, it's not popular, but one person that gave more credibility is James Nestor.
I've heard of him, actually. Yeah, he wrote Breath. Right. And he talks about breathing in a certain way where you retain more carbon dioxide. And he talks a little bit about carbon dioxide in his book, but not in depth. Yeah, because certain breathwork techniques, I'm assuming, kind of follow this principle, right?
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Chapter 4: What are the historical uses of CO2 in therapy?
Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, injuries have plagued him, like Middleton. Every year he's getting injured. Middleton. I'll try to hit him up for you to get him one of these. You should, yeah. He's getting older now, though. He is, yeah, yeah. Late 30s. I feel like that's tough to compete with these 20-year-olds.
I think this could help extend the life of an athlete, too, so they could play into later years. Absolutely. You said you were trying to lose fat loss. Was this helping out with that, too?
It does actually help speed up your metabolic rate, so it definitely helps speed up fat loss. There's another method called carboxytherapy, where they inject CO2 into your skin, and it helps with wrinkles and stuff like that, and stretch lines. Stretch marks.
Stretch marks. And they did a study for fat loss, too. They injected it into people's stomachs and their thighs, and they lost... four centimeters compared to the control group just from the CO2 injections. Just from CO2?
Yeah, yeah, because it increases the metabolic rate. It's increasing blood flow and increasing the vasculature of the area and everything like that because the fat tissue is very hypoxic. It's very little blood flow, less blood flow than other areas. Damn, this is like nature's miracle. It is. I mean, I like that it's natural. Like, I'd rather take this than a pill.
Oh, yeah, definitely. It's yeah, it's natural. It's something your body produces. To me, it's the closest thing there is to exercise in a bottle, essentially, because it it doesn't have all the benefits of exercise, but it has very as some of the benefits of exercise and you can you can do it multiple times per day where exercise.
So it's helping getting rid of waste products and whatnot and helping the blood flow through the system. And you're doing that without building up additional waste products. With exercise, you're getting the same thing, but you're also building up additional waste products. You're building up more lactic acid. more of the other waste products from exercising.
But this is creating that removal of waste from the cellular environment without building up additional waste products. And you can do it like, like I said, I do it like, for me, I do it two to four times a day. You could do it once per day and get benefit. I'm not saying you should
like replace it with exercise people um exercise by itself is like super healthy and important and has other benefits outside of this but this this does have some of the benefits of exercise that's cool i love exercise for stress release oh yeah definitely so i play in a couple basketball leagues and i just feel amazing after especially hitting the sun after the games yeah just i don't know if this would help with stress but exercise with stress has been great for me
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Chapter 8: How does CO2 therapy relate to aging and longevity?
Yeah, I think I know. It's like pink skin and stuff. Yeah, they're pretty ugly. Yeah, yeah, they're super ugly. My fiance had a huge fear of them. Oh, she does? Massive. Really? Yeah. That's interesting. Well, rats in general, people aren't like fans of. Yeah, they don't tend to live around this area, I don't think. No, I've never seen one.
They're more in Africa. Oh, they're in Africa. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, scientists need to study those instead of regular rats. Yeah, yeah, for sure. They need to get those in the lab. Yeah, there's other animals too, like certain bats that live in caves, which have high CO2 levels. It's the same thing. They live a really long time. Holy crap. So there's a direct correlation between.
There is. They also have less oxygen in there too. So there's that aspect as well. So you're not getting as much of the oxidative damage from having too much oxygen. So it's a combination of the CO2. So CO2 has the benefits of its own. And I think there's probably something to the lower levels of oxygen as well. Yeah. Potentially in the adaptions that happen to them because of that.
Crazy. What if someone broke a bone? Would this help them recover quicker? Oh, yeah, it's huge. It's actually, there's quite a lot of studies showing that happens in fracture repair and bone healing. And CO2 is actually, when you have more CO2 than you need, it's actually stored in the bone. It helps build bone strength and whatnot. Wow.
There's actually a group of people called... something, Petrosa, I forget what they're called, but it's like, it's called marble bone disease. And it's people that retain very high levels of carbon dioxide and their, their bones like become like super hard. Like it's called marble bone disease because their bones become like super hard, like marble basically.
So CO2 levels will help increase your bone density. So someone has like, getting older and they're afraid of like osteoporosis or something, I think that CO2 could be very beneficial for that. Oh, for sure. Even myself, I don't know if it's, I've never done a, have you done a DEXA scan before? I've done a DEXA scan.
Yeah. I've done a lot of them recently because I was trying to lose some weight and I was making sure that I wasn't like losing muscle mass when I was losing the weight. And my bone density is like off the charts. Really? Yeah.
it's like the i can't think of the name of the score right now but it's like like like zero is normal and mine was like two is like in the 99th percentile or something wow i don't know if it was like that before doing co2 therapy for its or if it's from the co2 therapy i can't say that but yeah that would have been interesting to see if it helped raise it right yeah yeah but some people have really fragile bones like i know people that have broken their bones like 10 times so something like this might help them right
Yeah, no, it definitely helped him because it's helped build bone strength. And it also helps create more blood flow to the bones, more, uh, okay. Microvascular to the bones, like everything. And so it'd be very beneficial. You got to hit up some NFL teams. Yeah. Those guys need this.
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