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The Truth About Psychedelics: Healing Minds, Changing Lives | Zappy Zapolin DSH #1180
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Discover the transformative world of psychedelics in this eye-opening episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🌟 Joined by Zappy Zapolin, a psychedelic concierge with fascinating stories and groundbreaking insights, we uncover how these natural remedies are changing lives. From healing PTSD and breaking addictions to unlocking empathy and mental clarity, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won’t want to miss. 🌿✨ Tune in now to hear how psychedelics like Ibogaine, ketamine, and microdose mushrooms are revolutionizing mental health and offering hope for a better future. 🧠💡 Plus, don’t miss the incredible story of Lamar Odom’s life-changing journey with plant medicine and how it helped him overcome addiction and trauma. Ready to explore the potential of psychedelics to heal minds and transform lives? Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀💬 Join the conversation and share your thoughts below! 👇 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:30 - Psychedelic Concierge 02:00 - Ibogaine Therapy 04:58 - Specialized Recruiting Group 05:50 - Lamar Odom's Journey 08:25 - Choosing the Right Psychedelic 12:39 - Ketamine Treatment 14:02 - Microdosing Mushrooms 16:52 - The Art of Surrendering 18:29 - Toad Venom Insights 21:32 - Brain Activity on Psychedelics 22:10 - The Suppression of Psychedelics 23:55 - Benefits of Psychedelics for Many 25:37 - KetaVIP Explained 26:58 - Matthew Perry's Experience 29:00 - Microdosing Explained 33:03 - Returning to Nature 36:42 - Timothy Leary's Brain Map 39:50 - Ibogaine Revisited 45:42 - Meeting God Through Psychedelics 51:27 - Unbuzzed Experience 56:07 - Freedom Through Neurogrowth 58:13 - Where to Find Zappy APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUEST: Zappy Zapolin https://www.instagram.com/zappyzapolin https://www.youtube.com/@zappyzapolin https://zappydoses.com/ SPONSORS: Specialized Recruiting Group: https://www.srgpros.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #ad #integrativehealth #complementarytherapy #veteranmentalhealth #ptsd #ayahuasca
Chapter 1: What is the empathy crisis and how can psychedelics help?
I believe we're having an empathy crisis right now in this country, in the world. And that means that people, they want to care, but they can't really put themselves in each other's shoes. So they don't have the empathy that's required to really care and make a change and help other people.
And the only way I've seen people get instantly more empathy is to have a near-death experience or a major psychedelic breakthrough. All right, guys, we got psychedelic concierge here today. We got Zappy Zapple in here. Let's go and brought some cool product too.
Yes, I got my Zappy doses just in case anybody was concerned that I wouldn't have materials to alter our minds. I love it. If we need to at any point. It's a microdose, right? Yeah, absolutely. Are you on one right now?
Yes. No, you know, this is amazing because the information that's coming out from the scientists and all these studies, Johns Hopkins, all these incredible institutions are that psychedelics and plant medicine are not only non-addictive, but they're also incredible for mental health and physical health. health and things like that.
Chapter 2: How can Ibogaine therapy aid in breaking addictions?
So I think, you know, as we sit here, you know, weeks after the fire in Los Angeles where I'm based, we've got a situation where I don't think, Sean, anything else can help that city with millions of people having PTSD like psychedelic medicine can. And I think when the dust settles, ketamine, which is a psychedelic that is great for grief,
PTSD, microdosing mushrooms like this is going to put people at ease. And then ultimately, there's a plant medicine called Ibogaine that we can talk about where it breaks addictions, any level addiction. So we have these tools. They're brought to us by nature. And we just sort of have to now, with all the knowledge we have, step into that new paradigm.
Yeah, that's incredible, man. What addictions have you seen be broken from Ibogaine?
Chapter 3: What is Lamar Odom's experience with psychedelic intervention?
I have a movie out with Lamar Odom called Reborn. And with Lamar, I did this psychedelic intervention with him. And I wound up, he's sort of a lifelong addict. He had a lot of trauma in his childhood and he couldn't break free from it. So he was abusing all kinds of drugs just to not feel something. And what happened was I wound up first giving him ketamine treatments with doctors just to kind of
get him comfortable with going inside himself. Once he was comfortable, I told him, you're going to probably have to go down to Mexico to a doctor and do something called Ibogaine. It's from an African root called Iboga. And this is capable of breaking any addiction, alcohol, meth, crack, gambling, whatever it is. Lamar took it five years ago and hasn't done any hard drugs since. Holy crap.
Just one time he took it or was it a- It's a one time. It's a full reset. Wow. Mentally, physically. And in the movie, you see him do it. And he actually called me a couple of days after Kobe Bryant died. And he said to me, Zappy, he's like, I couldn't believe it. But the night Kobe died, I knew as a lifelong addict that I could use that night and everybody would give me a pass on it.
But he's like, since the eyeball game that day, I just didn't have the desire to do it. Wow. I mean, what else do we need? I mean, there's nothing else that's going to break a fentanyl addiction, you know, because this fentanyl, it's not as though people are, you know, just becoming drug addicts.
They're actually using, they're having a pain injury or something like that in operation and they wind up on pain meds. Then they get addicted to that. They have to get it on the street because they're still in pain and now they get fentanyl laced in there and they're addicted to fentanyl. So we have nothing to combat all these amazing people who are just getting addicted by accident.
And Ibogaine is capable of breaking that addiction in a single session. That's incredible. How long has that one been around, Ibogaine?
Ibogaine's been around for tens of thousands of years. The Bwiti in Africa use it as their ancestral-based religion. They use Ibogaine. They commune with their ancestors or they go in to get a specific answer. And so about 30 plus years ago, some people that were medical scientists realized that the Ibogaine was helping people break addiction.
And the reason it's not legal here in the United States is that most of the people who who recover from it would traditionally go to regular rehabs. And regular rehabs, unfortunately, they depend on people relapsing. So people come back two, three times, they pay, they bill their insurance, you know, a lot of money.
And so they're not overly interested in somebody getting instantly better in 12 hours. That would destroy their industry. Yeah.
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Chapter 4: How is ketamine used in mental health treatments?
His bodyguard was with us and he was like, Lamar, take it easy. He's like, you're 40 years old. You can't be smoking weed. You'd have to work out four hours a day. And Lamar's like, I know what I got to do. I'm doing it. And he just trained himself. Nobody motivating him. Six months later, he plays in a professional game in Dubai. No way.
Yeah. And he was like, this- There's nothing but the Ibogaine that could have got me back here. I'm not the same player that I used to be, but just the fact that I was out here is an incredible rock and roll for me. I was at the Zach Bagans Museum. Have you been there? No. The Haunted Museum? No. So there's a bed there. That bed is the bed that Lamar had all his seizures on. Wow.
I think it was over 15, right? Yeah. I think they said 12 strokes and six heart attacks. It's in the museum. That's why. Yeah. It's in the museum because they believe that bed was haunted, but still his recovery nevertheless is insane.
Yeah. Lamar claims that day. He's very honest. He said, you know, he's like, I'm a professional drug addict. He's like, but that day he's like, I didn't do any drugs. He's like, somebody poisoned me. Holy crap. A lot of negative stuff going on there. And he was there for a week and it was just not a good situation. So he's like, when he slipped into that coma, he just like had no idea.
And so when he came to me, uh, I was at a movie screening for my first film, the reality of truth with Michelle Rodriguez. And, And somebody came up to me after the film and they were like, hey, I'm friends with Lamar Odom and he's not in a great place. Would you be willing to talk to him about plant medicine? I just watched the movie. Maybe this could help him.
And I wound up meeting up with him and his people and was able to convince him that he tried everything else and maybe this is the solution that he needed. That's incredible, dude. So each medicine has its purpose. So people come to you and you kind of guide them on which psychedelic to take.
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Chapter 5: What are the benefits and risks of microdosing mushrooms?
Yeah. As a psychedelic concierge, the idea is that like a concierge at a hotel where you say, hey, where should I go to dinner tonight? They're going to ask you a series of questions. What kind of food do you like? Do you want music, wine, indoor, outdoor? And they're going to make a recommendation. So with a psychedelic concierge, I'm asking these people, what's your intention for doing this?
And what kind of trauma are you trying to overcome? And once I know that I can kind of, you know, based on what they need, these different compounds have a different frequency and a different use case for them. So in Lamar's case, I came up with a formula, which was ketamine plus plant medicine, plus a daily practice like meditation or breathing would equal his conscious transformation.
And the ketamine was there. Ketamine is an FDA approved anesthetic. Yeah, Elon Musk is on that one, right? Yeah, Elon Musk is twice a month doing ketamine treatments. And it makes a lot of sense because he is, clearly he's in peak performance, which ketamine has been shown to be building new neural pathways in your brain when it metabolizes. So he's getting all that benefit.
Plus I'm sure Sean, it's like pretty annoying when you're like the smartest guy in the room and everybody's asking the same question over and over. And you're like, Oh my God, I want to kill myself. You know? So I think he really has to, you know, battle some kind of depressive episodes. But meanwhile, every time you do ketamine, it builds these new neural pathways and Lamar as well.
He said he thinks he's building back his cognitive ability with the ketamine. Nice. Semi-regular basis. Uh, I need to look into that one for myself, because I'm all about brain optimization.
Yeah. Well, the reason that they found out it worked, and there are pictures, you can see scans of a brain on different compounds. But when you look at the ketamine compound, 80% of the brain is lit up. It's like the limitless drug, the real limitless drug that we've all been looking for.
And the way they found out that ketamine was effective was they were using it during Vietnam out in the battlefield. And they were doing amputations in the battlefield using all kinds of different anesthetics, one of them being ketamine.
After the war, they looked back and they realized that all the people that had the ketamine anesthetic hadn't committed suicide at the same rate as everybody else. Holy crap.
So they realize something's here. They bring it to Yale University. They do a couple thousand person study, which is obviously a big study. They come up with low dose ketamine, not anesthetic dose, but low dose. It is 70% effective against treatment resistant depression that nothing else has worked for. Damn. And so we have this opportunity because it's FDA approved, because it's so safe.
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Chapter 6: What is the role of psychedelics in enhancing brain activity?
I'm definitely going to look into that one, man. I've been offered like guided ketamine sessions or whatever.
Yeah, I've been doing these in 2015. I found out about the effective nature of ketamine in this way. And I convinced the doctor down in Florida to give me the treatment, the Yale protocol that they had come up with. And as soon as it hit me, I was like, wow, this is incredible. This is sort of like the best of my plant medicine experiences, but in a very tight container.
There wasn't all kinds of dieting and things you have to do before. And then there wasn't all this integration that you have to do after. Because ketamine, what it's doing is it's quieting all the chatter in your brain. And it puts you in like this present moment awareness state.
And when you're in present moment awareness, you're there and you're able to look at things from a different perspective. Again, you're using 80% of your brain. So in that sequence, you can clean up all kinds of things in your life. drop fears.
And I think what just happened with the fires in Los Angeles, the only thing that we have, and thank God we have them, are these psychedelic medicines for mental health.
And I think ketamine, because of its safety and its triage nature and the fact that it's FDA approved, that's going to be the front line because it's amazing for grief, which a lot of these people are going through, PTSD of not knowing what's going to happen next. And then you've got microdose mushrooms, which can be used basically to stabilize your nervous system.
And what I usually say, like these are microdose mushrooms. These are actually the only microdoses that are legal right now. This is an Amanita Mascara mushroom. And it's the red mushroom with the white polka dots that you see all over the place. It turns out that that mushroom, unlike psilocybin magic mushrooms, this one is incredibly good for balancing your nervous system.
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Chapter 7: How are psychedelics being suppressed, and why?
And my theory, and I'm not the only one here thinking this, but is that humans, we go around always just trying to balance our nervous system throughout the day. So we'll be like, oh, I need some coffee now. Oh, I should take some alcohol. Oh, I got to go to sleep. I'll take some Ambien. Just trying to get to that baseline. So when you microdose mushrooms,
You're starting off at baseline and everything's great. And so you don't feel the need to throw anything in there. You're good. And these last, you know, four, five, six hours. Nice. Just having this very nice chill experience. And the idea is that a normal dose of mushrooms where you'd have this psychedelic experience is around one gram of mushrooms and higher. These are about a 10th of a gram.
So when you take a 10th of a gram or a fifth of a gram, a small amount, it's meant to be sub-perceptual. And by sub-perceptual, meaning you're not experiencing it and having some kind of a trip or realizing it per se. Some people are scared of that, right? Yeah. I think a lot of people are afraid to let go and surrender. And that's when you see the bad trips.
Yeah. Usually those are bad trips are usually about two things. Number one, we have to start testing people because I have a feeling that like a peanut allergy, there's certain people are allergic to mushrooms and they just shouldn't have them. Right. Most of the people never have a bad trip.
Sometimes during a journey that you're on, you can face some very emotional things, but if you're in the right, what they call set and setting, which is your mindset before you do it and the setting of who you're with and where you are, you're going to have a fantastic time.
That matters a lot. Cause I've had some trips where like my friend will invite someone over while we're tripping and it's like the worst energy and it just kills the trip.
Yeah. It's a tricky thing. It's like we have to train people that these are powerful energies and that just like a car, you wouldn't give a 16-year-old the car keys and be like, oh, you're 16. Here's the car keys. You have to be trained. You have to be guided in how to get the most out of it. And I think if you're in the right set and setting with the right people, you will not have a bad trip.
And To that point, a lot of times people don't want to surrender. You know what I mean? So we're always trying to filter out and prepare for whatever is about to happen. And I'm theorizing that people get bored. They almost know exactly what's going to happen. Before I reach over here, I know what I'm going to do. We know that an airplane's not going to come in. So finally, you get very...
you know, almost bored your mind. That's why people go to horror movies because something's going to happen and thrill them. Or they go to a comedy club because somebody is going to say something they don't expect. Well, psychedelics are the ultimate surrender. So, you know, going in, you're like, I have to surrender to this is going to be something that I don't know it's going to happen.
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Chapter 8: Where can you learn more about Zappy Zapolin's work?
Holy crap. And he's on zero medications. He just does his ketamine boosters, like Elon Musk is doing where a couple of times a month, he just goes in there, he builds new neural pathways, he breaks those old patterns. And what else is there that could take you from 20 plus medications down to zero? Not much, man. Yeah, we gotta embrace this. It's a golden moment for society.
Yeah, I think the average person above either 40 or 50 years old is on five medications right now, right?
Yeah, it's really scary, especially in LA because things are happening out of control there right now with the fires. I have a company called Kedev VIP. for ketamine, Ketavip. And we do at home ketamine because you hear about these ketamine clinics, which are very helpful, but ideally you don't want to go into a clinic and be around other people for something like this. Makes sense.
You don't want to have to drive home after or be driven home. You want to really do it in your own house. So at Keta VIP, we send the medical staff out to your house. They're overseen by a doctor. They stay with you. They create the right set and setting for you. And you have this 35-minute incredible experience. You build new neural pathways.
And that's something that basically Elon Musk and people, our celebrity clients and people like that are doing. And That's pretty quick. Yeah. 35 minutes.
Yeah. Psychedelic. It's really fast. It's sort of this incredible thing where, and I think this is part of why I got the FDA approval that it got, is that the half-life is so quick that you can walk out the door after it's over. And you're almost like a lucid dream. But then you feel these new neural pathways almost being built. And the next morning you wake up and you're just like, wow.
life is beautiful, you know? And I think, you know, if somebody were to, in Los Angeles, my phone's blown up. And what happened was I actually started this KetoVIP because when Matthew Perry passed away of a ketamine-related death. Um, which actually they kept on saying acute ketamine was what happened. No, Matthew Perry was a drug addict. Drug addicts do dangerous things and take big time risks.
And so he started trying to be his own doctor. So he started giving himself ketamine treatments and then he goes into a hot tub when nobody's around and everybody knows, you know, ketamine is like a muscle relaxer. If he had taken any muscle relaxer and gone in a hot tub, you drown. Wow. So, you know, the death was drowning.
And if it had been another muscle relaxer, they wouldn't have said acute muscle relaxer. But again, there's a lot of people out there, the antidepressant movement, alcohol, these types of things, the psychiatry industry, they don't want people getting cleaned up as quick as ketamine is cleaning people up.
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