Psionics & Telepathy: The Future of Human Communication? | Ron Janix DSH 1323

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We all piled into one single room and watched it unfold together. So that's kind of a great moment for Contact in the Desert that it happened to be there right when we were all together. So watching something historic in this community with other people was really a great thing.

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Yeah, because 10, 11 years ago, this stuff was niche, right? Now it's kind of mainstream.

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What are these hearings focusing on? What are they talking about?

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This upcoming one is going to focus on the nuclear people, people that worked at nuclear bases, such as Robert Salas, who worked on a nuclear base and they saw a UFO hovering over the base. You know, this is way before everybody had a cell phone in their pocket. And... the UFO shut off all of our nuclear launch codes and everything went dark. And then the UFO moved and they all came back online.

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And we have, you know, people they're going to be coming to contact as well, including Robert Salas, who talk about this and they want to testify to Congress and let them know that, look, This is happening. And even if it's not alien per se, somebody's got the technology to hover over our bases and turn off our missiles. It's even more scary if it's not alien, right?

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Because that means an adversary has this. That's true. Maybe not more, but certainly scary nonetheless. Yeah. What's your theory on who it was? I have no idea. I am absolutely... I live right in the middle. It could easily be...

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Technology, you know, beyond what we know, oftentimes we hear in this community that when you hear a plane, like when the stealth bomber came out, they say that that was 20 years past. You know what I mean? It's like they're not going to show us the newest, latest, greatest thing. They're going to show us something that's past its useful life, basically. Right.

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I'm very skeptical. I'm very cautious about all of these things. But there is a lot of stuff that points to this being real. Roswell alone, to me, is a very credible case. And if we have recovered this technology, it makes sense to me that we would keep that...

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very secure and very private so you know throughout history the wars are typically won by the most advanced technology you know that famous opening scene in uh from 2001 where the monkeys are there and they're fighting and then the one has a bone yeah his technology was better and he hits the other monkey that's like the first sign of technology beating someone else

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That's been going on, if you look at throughout history. World War II ended because we dropped a nuclear bomb. We had better technology. The better technology throughout history has won wars and changed the landscape of Earth. So if you had technology that was from a race that could come here from another planet, it's got to be far beyond what we have.

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So you would want to keep that very close to the vest, I would think.

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Yeah. I'm sure there's some underground government programs or something, Area 51 stuff. Why not? Why not?

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You know, Sean, it ties into another area, if we could move over to this. It's also the whole idea of consciousness, which is a big thing in today's world and in our UFO community. Consciousness seems to play a major role in this. And there's been this debate going on for hundreds of years whether consciousness lives in our brain, which some people, science-based people, tend to think. Mm-hmm.

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Or is consciousness non-local? You have a guy like Carl Jung who talked about the collective unconscious. Or Edgar Cayce talked about the Akashic Record, which sort of has all that knowledge. And they thought of our brain as a receiver that taps into this... I don't know what they call it, realm.

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And that's how we use it, that our brain is just a receiver tapping into this massive non-local consciousness. So that's still a live debate today that's happening. So it's interesting to see that she said that some of these children experience this thing where they go to a place called The Hill. And these kids go to a place called And by go to a place, I mean in their mind.

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They're not physically leaving. These kids rarely go out of their house. It's incredible that we've found somebody that can come to contact in the desert because most of these children spend most of their lives in their home. It's too hard to leave their house. They scream. It's too hard. It's too much for them. And I can understand that.

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So the idea of consciousness being non-local ties into this because these kids, some of them say they – I guess you would call it, let's say an astral project or out of body. They go to a place called the hill and they meet another person with the same autism level that they are. Wow.

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And then now everybody knows that. Not everybody, but 99.9% of us. It's that sort of thing. And in 1992, exoplanet. This is exactly what I was going to get to. Well, let me back up here. Here's a good correlation for that, Sean. In 1925, so 100 years ago, Our scientific knowledge thought that the Milky Way was the entirety of the universe. The entire universe was the Milky Way galaxy.

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That's what we believed from 200,000 years ago up until 1925. That was the consensus reality. Then in 1925, they put up a telescope in Mount Wilson, and Hubble actually was the astronomer who discovered that there was another galaxy outside of our galaxy. So now all of a sudden, wait a minute, this isn't the universe. This is our little galaxy. There's another one over there.

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So in 1924, let's say, we all knew that this one little galaxy was the universe. In 1925, we realized there were two. Do you know how many they know of today? How many? Two trillion galaxies. Holy crap. So in 100 years, our scientific understanding went from believing there was one galaxy in the universe... to believing or knowing there are 2 trillion galaxies in the universe.

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That is quite a change in understanding. So I feel that this relates to the idea of these topics, psionics that we're talking about. Right now, some people have this ability to remote view. Some kids with this can do telepathy. telepathic abilities.

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Let's say a hundred years from now, 200 years from now, a thousand years from now, these things might be like a normal thing that's happening in society, but we are just at the cusp of learning and understanding how they work. You know, another good example, if you don't mind, let me share with you the idea that let's go back 200 years.

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I mean, there you go. That could be the thing. I hope we don't all become nonverbal. Yeah. Although a lot of people I wish would become nonverbal. We don't have time to go into that, Jamie. I'm going to leave that out.

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Oh, man. So with the CE5 protocols, is that related to this stuff too?

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It is. It is a form people... This one I struggle with, I'll be honest. A lot of people believe that CE5, what that is, is... We had close encounters of the third kind. This was a system that J. Allen Hynek came up with. Either it's a sighting, you just saw light in the sky. Close encounter of a third kind was when you saw a being. So Whitley Straber's thing we described was a CE3.

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CE5 is human-initiated contact. So there are people that believe if you go out into the nature and you have other people with you and you guys all focus on calling in these things. And this is what Jake Barber said to Ross. kind of where he lost me, but he claims that they were able to telepathically call in these ships.

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And so there's a whole school of thought that thinks that either these craft have some sort of consciousness level or were able to tap into speaking with them, contacting them. So people think you can call these ships in, And they'll come and they'll appear. And they claim to have seen it. I've seen Greer talk about this and Bledsoe, too. Chris Bledsoe is absolutely. He's going to do it live.

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I feel like there's not enough weight being placed on these witnesses, these experiencers. I feel like, why do we just dismiss that? I feel like there's not enough weight being placed on experts like Avi Loeb, who's the head of astronomy at Harvard, and John Mack, who was the head of psychiatry at Harvard.

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He looked into this topic because he wanted to dismiss it and prove that it was a psychological problem, that these people were having another problem.

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psychological issue it had nothing to do with ufos yeah and after studying it he came to the conclusion that none of these people that he studied had any other psychological issues so that most likely something was happening to them so where i struggle is a guy that's beyond reproach like john mack who rises to the top of academia and is the top head of psychiatry at harvard

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Why do we not believe him the minute he says, well, I studied this subject, and it seems that these people aren't having another affliction. Maybe this is real. Why don't the rest of us all go, well, this guy's really credible. He looked at it. Let's believe him. Why everything else he says is the greatest thing in the world because he's so smart. Then he touches this issue. Oh, no, crackpot.

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He doesn't know what he's talking about. Why does that happen? I don't understand that. And that's kind of what drew me into this. I don't know why we don't take some of these guys more serious. I think they should get the credit that's due. Avi Loeb is this respected guy. A fun thing about Avi is I recently got to interview him, and he was saying what he's looking for is... trash.

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That being said, when you see guys like Elon Musk saying he doesn't believe in aliens, does that surprise you?

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It does. It really does because, um, a guy like Avi Loeb would argue with him. Um, Yeah, I feel like that's not being genuine. I don't think that that's necessarily being fair. And I wonder how hard he's looked at this topic. This is one of those topics, like many others, where the more you know, the more there is to know.

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When you get into this onion that is the UFO world, I think most people just have a cursory understanding of it. But the more you get involved in it, if you just study one thing, like if you just studied Roswell and you read the Don Schmidt books about it, All the people that they've interviewed and all the evidence that surrounds it. It's a pretty compelling case. That's just one famous case.

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You start looking into more and more. And pretty soon you start having this picture that something clearly is going on. I'm certainly leaning that way. And I've been very skeptical about this and very objective. And I try to be very rational, both on our podcast, Beyond Contact, and with Contact in the Desert. We try to keep a very neutral academic scientific approach to this.

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But man, there's a lot of stuff out there that really makes you start thinking that something could be happening. Yeah. Well, that's needed because I think you could go too extreme with the beliefs too. Yeah. Oh, oftentimes. Most of the things I hear immediately, too extreme for me. Not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying that it's very remote to me.