Digital Social Hour
Bek Lover Vs. Michael Jones: Was It All a Lie? Hidden Truth About Faith and History | DSH #1573
16 Oct 2025
In this thought-provoking episode, returning guest Bek Lover joins the discussion alongside new guest Michael Jones, diving into the complexities of interfaith dialogue between Christians and Muslims. The conversation explores historical narratives, scriptural interpretations, and the challenges of fostering unity amidst religious and cultural differences. From analyzing doctrines like apostasy and compulsion in religion to addressing misconceptions spread through media, this episode brings deep insights and diverse perspectives to the table. The discussion also touches on controversial topics like colonialism, religious violence, and the role of historical figures, offering a nuanced look at how faith impacts global societies. Don't miss this engaging debate that challenges preconceived notions and seeks common ground for future harmony between two of the world's largest religions. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:50 - Can Muslims and Christians Collaborate? 06:26 - Infidels and Their Perception 10:39 - The Ottoman Empire's Legacy 13:05 - Understanding Abrogation in Islam 17:38 - Historical Accuracy of the Bible 22:16 - Descriptive vs Prescriptive Teachings 25:00 - Apostasy in Religious Context 27:53 - Violence in the Islamic World 31:11 - Blaming the West for Islamic Violence 34:09 - Historical Christian Violence Explained 37:04 - Fairness in Media Coverage 40:30 - Aisha’s Age Controversy 47:40 - Mary’s Age in Historical Context 53:15 - Truth and Morality in Religion 53:27 - The Islamic Dilemma Explored 57:50 - Christian Idolatry Examined 1:00:16 - The Quran Affirms the Bible's Validity 1:05:31 - Compiling the Bible: A Historical Overview 1:09:50 - Debunking the Pagan Christmas Myth 1:10:28 - Paul and the Corruption of Christianity 1:11:45 - Bible Corruption: Myths vs Facts 1:15:50 - Jesus and the Act of Prayer 1:19:58 - Understanding God's Prayer to Himself 1:21:29 - Is It the Same God as the Old Testament? 1:24:31 - Do Muslims Harbor Hatred for Christians? 1:26:05 - Jesus's First Miracle Explained 1:29:55 - Identifying Quranic Errors 1:32:30 - Jesus as a Servant Leader 1:34:34 - Understanding Jizya in Islamic Law 1:38:15 - Jews under Muslim vs Christian Rule 1:40:15 - Omar's Expulsion of Christians from Arabia 1:42:30 - Who Won: A Comparative Analysis PPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [email protected] GUESTS : Michael Jones: https://www.instagram.com/inspiringphilosophy_/ Bek Lover: https://www.instagram.com/beklovernyc/ SPONSORS: THERASAGE: https://therasage.com/ QUINCE: https://quince.com/dsh LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are solely those of the individuals appearing on the podcast and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. While we encourage open and honest conversations, Sean Kelly is not legally responsible for any statements, claims, or opinions made by guests during the show. Listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions and consult professionals for advice where appropriate. Content on this podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice. We have done our best to present the facts as we see them, however, we make no guarantees or promises regarding the accuracy, completeness, or reliability of the information provided. In addition, the views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of the producers of this program. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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It's a mass destruction, right? One million people died. I hated Saddam Hussein. He oppressed the Kurds. He gassed them with nerve gas. He was horrific. Who put these people in power?
Totally agree. Because you said you want Christians and Muslims to work together. The problem is, is when we go into the data, it is not the Christian's fault. 99% of the time, overwhelmingly, this is coming from Islam. And they get death threats all the time from Muslims.
How can we work together when people in your camp say they want to join my camp, and then people in your camp say they should be killed?
Okay, guys, we got a friendly little debate here today, conversation debate. We got Beck Lover, returning guest, and a new guest to the show, Michael Jones. Thank you, both of you, for coming, especially you, Michael. It's your anniversary, so appreciate the time, man.
Yeah, thanks for having me. Happy anniversary, brother, and thanks for coming.
Yeah, and I think the core of this will be just talking about how Christians and Muslims can work together, right? That's where we should start this thing.
First and foremost, I want to start a debate. I even want to use the word debate. It's discussion. to clarify, I think, a lot of things that are perpetrated in the media, okay, that want to convince the world that Christians and Muslims are enemies and they should kill each other. And I believe there is an agenda to create a lot of hatred between the two faiths.
And the word infidel is thrown around all the time in the media, is thrown around all the time in the news. And I want to, on behalf of the Muslim world, clarify
that nowhere in the quran does it say that christians are infidels it's actually the opposite it gives them a protected class known as the people of the book anyone that received revelation before the prophet muhammad whether it was through moses psalms of david the spoken gospel of jesus christ because he did not leave a written book during his lifetime
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